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My Revised District Proposal Based On Feedback

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Thanks everyone for the feedback on my alternative to the IHSA District Proposal. Edgy has been nothing but awesome in giving me a forum to share this plan. This is just one more reason why he is one of the best sports journalists in the business and why I am going on 15 years as a member of this site. I share the premium side subscription with a friend of mine and I can tell you that it is definitely worth the money so you should check it out for great recruiting info and a lot of other stuff.

Having said that, there were a lot of good suggestions and criticisms of my original plan this week so I wanted to do the best I could to address those.

First of all, I completely realize that this plan as currently written of course would have very little chance of actually being adopted by the IHSA. There are a ton of bureaucratic procedures they need to follow and they don't have the luxury like I do to simply make subjective decisions without the input of their membership.

I do know that there are some individuals with a connection to the IHSA that follow this site, so I would encourage them to feel free to steal any of my ideas and make them their own for the final district model that is set to roll out in 2021. I truly believe that I am proposing something that is within the spirit of what the IHSA and a majority of IHSA schools wish to accomplish with districts, while still attempting to keep the positives that come with our current football conference model.

However, I feel there are still major threats to the viability of high school football for many Illinois schools under the current district proposal as passed this December. This proposal is designed to address those threats.

Here are the first two changes regarding private schools that I have made based on feedback from this board to my original proposal. Thank you again for your input.

1. Complete reworking of the private school districting model. Loyola, Marist, and Brother Rice will be placed geographically with non-private schools in 8A. 8A will not have any separate private districts. It will simply be 8 districts of 6 with the top 4 qualifying for the playoffs. As a result, Mt. Carmel, St. Rita, and Niles Notre Dame will be dropped down to 7A. The remainder of the private schools were placed based on enrollment, geography, and competitiveness reasons while still trying to preserve private schools playing each other during the regular season. I think this revised structure will work better than what I originally proposed.

2. There was criticism that while I officially eliminated the multiplier and the success factor for private schools, I was still unofficially imposing these on schools. This is true. I attempted to smooth this out in this revised proposal. Changes and notes you will see are as follows:

First for 8A...Loyola, Marist, and Brother Rice stay in 8A for historical playoff pairing and enrollment reasons. Technically, it is hard to make a pure enrollment argument for any private school to be in 8A, however Loyola, Marist, and Brother Rice seem to be the three schools that should always be associated with the highest playoff class in the state which is 8A.

As for 7A...Mt. Carmel and St. Rita drop down to 7A which is more in line with their actual enrollment. In addition, the IHSA enrollment figures for 2019-2021 will factor a lot heavier into this model than the previous one, so St. Patrick and St. Ignatius will now be in 7A and Carmel and Fenwick will be in 6A. Obviously, this can be changed if needed.

Next, Rockford Boylan was moved down from 7A to 5A. Geographically this works and it more fits their enrollment number. In addition to Rockford Boylan being placed with local public schools at their enrollment level, 5A ended up with an 8 team all-private district that seemed to work very well based on enrollment so I decided to create this district as well.

I also created two 6 team private school districts in 3A and 2A. This means that Immaculate Conception and Bishop McNamara will be playing 3A based on enrollment, but they both do raise a competitive balance concern by being placed so low.

As for the criticisms regarding Springfield Sacred Heart Griffin being placed too high in 5A, the current IHSA enrollment figures (with the multiplier which I am removing) have them placed in 6A for the next two years. I think a geographically fitting conference in 5A is more than appropriate.

I plan on posting the rationale for the rest of my changes and my revised districts very soon. Thanks for reading.
 
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Here are other changes of note based on concerns about my original proposal:

1. Multiple concerns with private schools and the multiplier (addressed in the post above)

2. The IHSA will now "consult" with private schools and the CPS on their separate districts. This language change is intentional since some posters rightfully stated that this proposal would have no chance of passing without IHSA input.

3. All districts have been adjusted. Some more than others based on movement of other schools. Also there were schools that I noticed could just be placed better. Enrollment of schools mattered much more in this proposal than my original proposal when it came to district changes.

4. Districts are no longer labeled as "public districts"...instead they are now labeled as just districts.

5. I have added the teams in the missing SSC Red Conference to 7A.

6. Having Maine East in both 7A and 6A has been fixed.

7. Enrollment factors in more than it did under the previous proposal. While still trying to keep conferences together, I have lightened up on this due to travel and enrollment concerns that were raised in criticisms of the original plan.

8. Rochester has now been moved down to 4A based on enrollment. It does result in a worse travel situation for them however.

9. I've adjusted Quincy, Peoria Richwoods, and Peoria Notre Dame to more appropriate classes.

10. There is simply no way I could move Kankakee back in to the Southland. The geography didn't work. I'm open to suggestions if someone could make a swap with them and another school work better.

11. 1A really gets packed with as many schools as possible. This is intentional since most schools seem to not want to play up a class.

12. Chicago (Christ the King) has been eliminated from this model for now.

13. I was missing 2 playoff eligible CPS schools in Lake View and Goode. Those 2 schools are added in this model.

14. Overall, 520 schools are represented in this model. Obviously adjustments will occur if schools elect to co-op or go to an 8 man football model.
 
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Here are my revised districts for 8A-5A:

8A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(48 total schools, 8 districts of 6 schools)

District #1 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #2)

-Marist

-Brother Rice

-Lincoln-Way East

-Homewood Flossmoor

-Sandburg

-Lockport

District #2 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #1)

-Loyola

-Stevenson

-New Trier

-Warren

-Glenbrook South

-Evanston

District #3 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #4)

-Bolingbrook

-Minooka

-Plainfield North

-Plainfield South

-Plainfield East

-Plainfield Central

District #4 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #3)

-West Aurora

-Oswego

-Oswego East

-Neuqua Valley

-Waubonsie Valley

-Metea Valley

District #5 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #6)

-Naperville Central

-Naperville North

-Glenbard West

-Glenbard North

-Glenbard East

-York

District #6 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #5)

-Maine South

-Oak Park River Forest

-Hinsdale Central

-Lyons

-Downers South

-Downers North

District #7 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #8)

-Huntley

-South Elgin

-Bartlett

-Lake Park

-St. Charles East

-St. Charles North

District #8 (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against District #7)

-Barrington

-Palatine

-Fremd

-Conant

-Prospect

-Schaumburg

7A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(63 schools, 6 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 9 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District A (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against Private District B in 6A)

-Mt. Carmel

-St. Rita

-Niles Notre Dame

-Benet

-St. Patrick

-St. Ignatius

District #1 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #1 in 6A)

-Jacobs

-Dundee-Crown

-Elgin

-Larkin

-Streamwood

-Batavia

-Geneva

-West Chicago

-East Aurora

District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Richards

-Shepard

-Eisenhower

-Reavis

-Argo

-Oak Lawn

-Proviso East

-Proviso West

District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Quincy

-Edwardsville

-Belleville East

-Belleville West

-Alton

-O’Fallon

-Granite City

-Collinsville

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-DeKalb

-Machesney Park Harlem

-Rockton Hononegah

-Rockford East

-Rockford Auburn

-Rockford Jefferson

-Rockford Guilford

-Belvidere North

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Wheaton North

-Wheaton Warrenville South

-Addison Trail

-Willowbrook

-Leyden

-Morton

-Maine West

-Maine East

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Niles West

-Niles North

-Highland Park

-Glenbrook North

-McHenry

-Mundelein

-Zion-Benton

-Waukegan

District #7 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Lincoln-Way Central

-Lincoln-Way West

-Stagg

-Andrew

-Bradley-Bourbonnais

-Bloom

-Joliet West

-Joliet Central

6A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(63 schools, 5 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 9 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District B (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against Private District A in 7A)

-Providence

-Nazareth

-Carmel

-Fenwick

-Marmion

-St. Viator

CPS District A (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Lane

-Taft

-Curie

-Simeon

-Hubbard

-Lincoln Park

-Kenwood

-Phillips

District #1 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #1 in 7A)

-Hinsdale South

-Lemont

-Romeoville

-Crete-Monee

-Oak Forest

-Thornton

-Thornwood

-T.F. North

-T.F. South

District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Moline

-Rock Island

-East Moline

-Galesburg

-Yorkville

-Sycamore

-Hampshire

-Kaneland

District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Pekin

-Washington

-Normal Community

-Normal West

-Bloomington

-Champaign Centennial

-Champaign Central

-Danville

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Buffalo Grove

-Rolling Meadows

-Hersey

-Wheeling

-Elk Grove Village

-Hoffman Estates

-Fenton

-Glenbard South

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Antioch

-Lakes

-Grayslake North

-Grayslake Central

-Libertyville

-Lake Forest

-Vernon Hills

-Deerfield

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Cary Grove

-Crystal Lake Prairie Ridge

-Crystal Lake South

-Crystal Lake Central

-Lake Zurich

-Wauconda

-Grant

-Round Lake

5A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(66 schools, 6 districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 8 schools)

Private District C (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Montini

-Joliet Catholic

-St. Laurence

-De La Salle

-Marian Chicago Heights

-Marian Woodstock

-St. Francis

-Aurora Catholic

CPS District B (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Morgan Park

-Raby

-Westinghouse

-Solorio

-Perspectives

-Payton

-Urban Prep Bronzeville

-Back of the Yards

-Brooks

-Schurz

District #1 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Rockford Boylan

-Belvidere

-Freeport

-Burlington Central

-Woodstock

-Woodstock North

-Elmwood Park

-Ridgewood

District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Rich Central

-Rich South

-Rich East

-Thornridge

-Bremen

-Tinley Park

-Hillcrest

-Evergreen Park

District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Morris

-Ottawa

-LaSalle-Peru

-Streator

-Rochelle

-Sterling

-Dixon

-Geneseo

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Kankakee

-Rantoul

-Mahomet-Seymour

-Urbana

-Mattoon

-Charleston

-Decatur Eisenhower

-Decatur McArthur

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Jacksonville

-Chatham Glenwood

-Springfield Sacred Heart-Griffin

-Springfield

-Springfield Southeast

-Springfield Lamphier

-Peoria Richwoods

-Peoria Notre Dame

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-East St. Louis

-Centralia

-Mt. Vernon

-Troy Triad

-Mascotutah

-Highland

-Carbondale

-Marion
 
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Here are my revised districts for 4A-1A:

4A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(68 schools, 6 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools)

CPS District C (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Von Steuben

-CVS

-Clark

-Amundsen

-Mather

-Lindblom

-Phoenix

-Washington

-Lake View

-Goode

District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Kewanee

-Monmouth-Roseville

-Princeton

-Sherrard

-Peru St. Bede

-Erie-Prophetstown Coop

-Spring Valley Hall

-Seneca

-Rock Island Alleman

-Macomb

District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Plano

-Sandwich

-Coal City

-Manteno

-Wilmington

-Reed-Custer

-Peotone

-Herscher

District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Jerseyville Jersey

-Bethalto Civic Memorial

-Belleville Althoff

-Columbia

-Waterloo

-Freeburg

-Breese Central

-Breese Mater Dei

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-North Chicago

-Harvard

-Marengo

-Richmond-Burton

-Genoa-Kingston

-Johnsburg

-Stillman Valley

-Rock Falls

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Mendota

-Pontiac

-Fairbury Prairie-Central

-Paxton Buckley-Loda

-Chillicothe Illinois Valley Central

-Dunlap

-Metamora

-Morton

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Rochester

-Taylorville

-Peoria Manual

-Peoria

-East Peoria

-Bartonville Limestone

-Canton

-Clinton

District #7 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Cahokia

-Mt. Zion

-Olney (Richland County)

-Effingham

-Herrin

-Murphysboro

-Salem

-Carterville

3A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(66 schools, 5 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District D (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against Private District E in 1A)

-Immaculate Conception

-Bishop McNamara

-Wheaton Academy

-St. Edward

-St. Joseph

-DePaul

CPS District D (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Steinmetz

-Senn

-Lake View

-Hyde Park

-King

-Sullivan

-North Lawndale Charter

-Clemente

-Agricultural Science

-Dunbar

District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Maroa-Forsyth

-Williamsville

-Athens

-Pleasant Plains

-Auburn

-Virden North Mac

-New Berlin Coop

-Petersburg PORTA Coop

-Pittsfield Coop

-Riverton

District #2 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Gibson City Melvin-Sibley

-Tremont

-Minonk (Fieldcrest)

-Mackinaw (Deer Creek-Mackinaw)

-Downs (Tri-Valley)

-El Paso-Gridley

-Flanagan-Cornell-Woodland Coop

-Eureka

District #3 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Byron

-Poplar Grove (North Boone)

-Winnebago

-Oregon

-Rockford (Lutheran)

-Pecatonica Coop

-Rockford (Christian)

-Sterling Newman Catholic

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Havana Coop

-Peoria Heights Coop

-Elmwood-Brimfield Coop

-Farmington

-Sciota (West Prairie) (Bushnell-West Prairie Coop)

-Knoxville

-Rushville-Industry

-Illini West

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Monticello

-Bloomington Central Catholic

-Champaign St. Thomas More

-St. Joseph-Ogden

-Stanford Olympia Coop

-Tolono Unity

-Hoopeston Coop

-Flanagan-Cornell-Woodland Coop

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Metropolis (Massac County)

-Benton

-Harrisburg

-Anna-Jonesboro

-West Frankfort

-DuQuoin

-Pinckneyville

-Nashville

2A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(68 schools, 3 districts of 8 schools, 2 districts of 9 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

Private District E (6 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…2 crossovers against Private District D in 3A)

-Aurora Christian

-Chicago Hope

-Leo

-Guerin

-Melrose Park (Walther Christian)

-Chicago Christian

CPS District E (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-South Shore

-Collins

-Urban Prep West

-Foreman

-Marine

-Chicago Military Academy Bronzeville

-Orr

-Harlan

-Urban Prep/Englewood

-Julian

District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Carlinville

-Pana

-Vandalia

-Greenville

-Staunton

-Gillespie

-Hillsboro

-Roxana

-Piasa Southwestern

-Litchfield

District #2 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #3)

-Paris

-Bridgeport (Red Hill)

-Newton

-Casey-Westfield

-Marshall

-Robinson

-Flora

-Lawrenceville

-Mt. Carmel

District #3 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #2)

-Pawnee Coop

-Nokomis Coop

-Kincaid (South Fork Coop)

-Abingdon-Avon

-Lewistown

-Hamilton (West Hancock Coop)

-Beardstown

-Quincy Notre Dame

-Jacksonville Routt (Coop)

District #4 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Oblong (Coop)

-Villa-Grove Heritage Coop

-Niantic (Sangamon Valley Coop)

-Decatur Lutheran Coop

-Arthur-Lovington-Atwood-Hammond

-Argenta-Oreana

-Toledo (Cumberland)

-Cerro-Gorro-Bement Coop

District #5 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Lisle

-Westmont

-Dwight

-Clifton Central

-Momence

-Watseka

-Gillman (Iroquois West)

-Ottawa (Marquette)

District #6 (8 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Savanna (West Carroll)

-Lanark (Eastland Pearl City Coop)

-Amboy-LaMoille Coop)

-Dakota

-Forreston

-Galena

-Lena-Winslow

-East Dubuque


1A PROPOSED DISTRICTS

(78 schools, 6 districts of 10 schools, 2 districts of 9 schools)

District #1 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Orangeville

-Warren

-Hanover (River Ridge)

-Milledgeville

-Polo

-Ashton-Franklin Center

-Freeport (Aquin)

-Stockton

-South Beloit

-Mooseheart

District #2 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Mendon Unity (Coop)

-Camp Point Central

-Winchester (West Central Coop)

-White Hall (North Greene)

-Greenfield-Northwestern (Coop)

-Concord Triopia (Coop)

-Pleasant Hill (Coop)

-Carrollton

-Mt. Sterling (Brown County)

-Hardin Calhoun (Coop)

District #3 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Sullivan Okaw Valley (Coop)

-Decatur (St. Teresa)

-Shelbyville

-Tuscola

-Warrensburg-Latham

-Macon (Meridian)

-Moweaqua Central A & M

-Oakland (Tri-County Coop)

-Arcola

-Martinsville

District #4 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Kirkland (Hiawatha)

-Varna Midland (River Valley Coop)

-Morrison

-Fulton

-Orion

-Port Byron (Riverdale)

-Taylor Ridge (Rockridge)

-Manilus (Bureau Valley)

-Astoria (South Fulton Coop)

-Cuba (North Fulton Coop)

District #5 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Red Bud

-Trenton (Wesclin)

-Carlyle

-Madison

-Edwardsville (Metro East Lutheran)

-Wood River (East Alton Wood River)

-Alton Marquette

-Bunker Hill (South Mac Coop)

-Dupo

-Sparta

District #6 (10 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs)

-Albion (Edwards County)

-Sesser-Valier

-Chester

-Carmi (White County)

-Johnston City

-Eldorado

-McLeansboro (Hamilton County)

-Christopher-Zeigler-Royalton Coop

-Fairfield

-Vienna-Goreville Coop

District #7 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #8)

-Oneida ROWVA (Mid-County Coop)

-Aledo (Mercer County)

-Kewanee (Annawan-Wethersfield Coop)

-Monmouth (United)

-Cambridge (Ridgewood Coop)

-Toulon (Stark County)

-Biggsville (West Central)

-Princeville

-Farmer City (Blue Ridge Coop)

District #8 (9 Schools…Top 4 advance to IHSA Playoffs…optional crossover against District #7)

-Fisher

-LeRoy

-Heyworth

-Colfax-Ridgeview Coop

-Catlin Salt Fork

-Georgetown-Ridge Farm

-Fithian (Oakwood)

-Bismark-Henning

-Westville
 
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Here are my revised guidelines for this proposal:

A PROPOSED REVISION TO THE IHSA FOOTBALL PROPOSAL #23: (THE CREATION OF DISTRICTS FOR FOOTBALL SCHEDULING)


Top 4 teams in each district make the playoffs


8A=48 Schools (8 districts of 6 schools)

7A=63 Schools (6 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 9 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

6A=63 Schools (5 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 9 schools, 1 CPS district of 8 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

5A=66 Schools (6 districts of 8 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 8 schools)

4A=68 Schools (6 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools)

3A=66 Schools (5 districts of 8 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

2A=68 Schools (3 districts of 8 schools, 2 districts of 9 schools, 1 district of 10 schools, 1 CPS district of 10 schools, 1 private district of 6 schools)

1A=78 Schools (6 districts of 10 schools, 2 districts of 9 schools)


Total Number of Schools = 520


Scheduling Notes:


-7A/6A and 3A/2A privates play 2 crossover games against each other. 7A plays 2 crossover games against 6A. 3A plays 2 crossover games against 2A.

-8A public districts play 2 crossover games against each other as listed below:

-District #1 plays District #2, District #3 plays District #4, District #5 plays District #6, District #7 plays District #8

-Teams will be able to schedule non-district opponents for Weeks 1 and 2 of the season. These games will not count towards district standings.
 
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Points of Consideration:


#1 Private School Considerations: 4 all-private districts of 6 schools will be formed in classes 7A, 6A, 3A, and 2A. 1 all-private district of 8 schools will be formed in class 5A. This setup will allow for traditional private school rivalries to continue. Optional district adjustments such as a promotion/relegation component for districts will be available at the discretion of the private schools every two years in district assignments. District assignments every 2 years will be left to the private schools in consultation with the IHSA. Private schools in this case are assumed to be only those in the Chicagoland area. Schools not placed in these special private school class designations will qualify for districts like any other school.


#2 CPS Considerations: CPS-only districts in classes 6A, 5A, 4A, 3A, and 2A will be formed. CPS schools are not currently eligible for Class 8A and 7A of the IHSA playoffs based on lack of historical success in the IHSA playoffs. Optional district adjustments such as a promotion/relegation component for districts will be available at the discretion of the CPS every two years in district assignments. District assignments every 2 years will be left to the CPS in consultation with the IHSA. If the CPS deems that there are not enough competitive CPS schools to fill out the playoff field in any class, 5th place schools from other districts in that class will fill out the playoff field. This determination of playoff-eligibility for CPS schools will be made by the CPS prior to the beginning of the season. Regarding CPS historical playoff qualification, 20 schools from the CPS qualified for the IHSA Playoffs in 2018, and 20 qualify under this revised structure as well.


#3 Conference Considerations: Previous conference arrangements will be considered under this proposal. When possible, previous conference affiliations and likely regional rivalries will be used to keep these familiar conference and regional schools together. This will allow for traditional rivalries to continue to take place.


#4 Travel Considerations: Travel of 50 miles or more will factor into district assignments and may adjust schools up or down a class assignment based on distance.


#5 Rigor of 8A: 8A schools will be recognized for the rigor of their districts and thus fewer teams will be assigned to this class.


#6 Competitive Balance: Minor adjustments to class assignments will be made to ensure competitive balance and to keep as many current conferences together as possible. In most cases, this will only result in a difference of one class higher or lower than what that school’s enrollment would dictate in terms of class assignment.


#7 Number of teams in 5A-1A as compared to 8A-6A: Districts in classes 5A-1A will be slightly larger in number of schools as compared to districts in classes 8A-6A.


#8 Fluctuation in number of teams offering football: If the number of football playing schools drops below 520, then reduction of teams per class will occur in the classes of 7A-2A first. If the number of football playing schools rises above 520, then additional schools will be added to the classes of 7A-2A first. In all cases, the classes of 8A and 1A will not see a change in the number of teams participating in their classes.


#9 Requests to opt up in class: Requests to opt up in class will be honored if appropriate district switches can be made with another school.


#10 Crossover Games:Crossover games will be used when necessary for scheduling purposes, but won’t count for district standings.


#11 Nine Team District Scheduling: If a 9 team district is required, these can be scheduled with a crossover game against another 9 team district resulting in a closed schedule with no need for non-district games, or a 7 game schedule by only playing 6 of 8 district teams and using tiebreakers as determined by the IHSA to choose the Top 4 playoff teams. 9 team districts unable to fill out their schedule with a non-district game team district will simply receive a bye for their off-week.


#12 Ten Team District Scheduling: 10 team districts can be scheduled to play a 9 game closed schedule with no need for non-district games, or a 7 game schedule with teams only playing 7 of 9 district teams and using tiebreakers as determined by the IHSA to choose the Top 4 playoff teams.


#13 Tiebreaker Situations: The IHSA shall develop a tiebreaker procedure for playoff qualification and seeding purposes when applicable.


#14 Success Factor and Multiplier: The previously implemented success factor and multiplier will be eliminated due to this new districting format. However, due to a desire for competitive balance and games against other private schools, these factors will be considered when placing private schools in a particular class. This might result in some schools being unofficially being multiplied up to a different class than their enrollment would dictate.


#15 District Assignments: Districts will be reassessed and modified every two years based off of the previously listed factors and others if necessary.
 
1, Makes zero sense to have 48 schools in 8A and 78 schools in 1A

2. Downstate, you are still combining 5A and 3A schools into 4A.. Paxton and Morton in the same district? LOL

Both deal killers, this idea will NEVER even come remotely close to being taken serious.
 
All.... For SHG. With the "expiration" of the success tax the Cyclones new two year cycle enrollment for 2019 and 2020 is 645.5. (1065.075) Historically and I don't foresee it any different that would put the school with the multiplier tax "comfortably" when the 256 qualifiers are announced among the eight classes in class 5A.

While I wish it wasn't so I believe that SHG's enrollment has leveled out and the above number give or take a few will remain at this level. So class 5A when district play officially starts in 2021 likely will be the Cyclones starting destination as well. Ratsy
 
I am not to familiar with class 1A to 4A!
Class 5A to 8A is a homerun,as I said previously there are many teams that now have a chance to win a lot of games in this setup.For some teams that have been
winning for yrs with no more than 2 or 3 tough games that changes with this setup!When a team wins conference title for 10 or more yrs straight you have a problem.
 
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1, Makes zero sense to have 48 schools in 8A and 78 schools in 1A

2. Downstate, you are still combining 5A and 3A schools into 4A.. Paxton and Morton in the same district? LOL

Both deal killers, this idea will NEVER even come remotely close to being taken serious.

Just out of curiosity are you a fan of the district proposal that passed last month or would you prefer no districts at all and keep things the way they are?
 
Do Zion McHenry Waukegan and Dundee still play football?

I think you missed a few teams
 
How do you have a school with an enrollment near 4000 in 7a? Waukegan and Warren are almost the same size and Zion was an 8A school last year. McHenry and Dundee are also very close to 8a. Might want to look at this again.
 
Do Zion McHenry Waukegan and Dundee still play football?

I think you missed a few teams
They are in there at district 6 where they belong instead of getting beat up for 20 yrs at north suburban,they would have a chance to win some games and those football programs back on there feet.Then move back up to higher districts,when you start winning more games kids will want to play and less kids leave area for better programs.
 
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How do you have a school with an enrollment near 4000 in 7a? Waukegan and Warren are almost the same size and Zion was an 8A school last year. McHenry and Dundee are also very close to 8a. Might want to look at this again.
Placed them in 7A due to competitive balance. I could swap out Zion-Benton with another school but the idea was to get the best 48 into 8A. Thus schools like Morton for example with 8000 students are in 7A. Waukegan, East Aurora, Joliet Central, and Bloom are other schools I put in 7A instead of 8A based on lack of historical success. That part is naturally going to cause controversy but I feel it at least gives those schools a shot at qualifying for the playoffs eventually versus the current district model which might result in those schools not even fielding programs in 10 years when they are getting consistently blown out in 8A. That's just not right.
 
They are in there at district 6 where they belong instead of getting beat up for 20 yrs at north suburban,they would have a chance to win some games and those football programs back on there feet.Then move back up to higher districts,when you start winning more games kids will want to play and less kids leave area for better programs.
Yes this was my rationale.
 
Dundee has 2,200 and McHenry 2,400,solid 7A because of participation in football and not winning much over long period of time 6A.
 
32/48 schools in 8A make the playoffs.
32/78 teams in 1A make the playoffs.

A long time ago in the district discussion I pointed out that the usual 8A smallest school had less than 60 schools bigger than it, making 8A the defacto smallest class. I predict that if put to a vote of just 1A schools and 8A schools, the vote will be 100+ against this arrangement, 48 in favor. Why? There are way more 1A coops than 8A. The 70+ schools that coop, combined with the 78 programs you have in 1A, are more than a quarter of the football playing schools in the state.

As well, the 8A districts with only 6 teams will have 4 games to create...if part of the reason for going to districts is scheduling, why would a system be created which forces the big schools that currently have problems filling a schedule (hello DVC) four games to fill? Presumably they will have to play other 8A schools on the weeks that 1A-7A are playing their district games, so their schedules aren't any weaker because of "rigor". If "rigor" is the theory, the Northwest Upstate Illini Conference 1A schools should be getting a 6 team conference...oh wait, you put most of them in 2A...so they should get to vote with their 1A sized schools making the vote even more lopsided...

The current system is far more equitable than this proposal with 48 8A schools and 78 1A schools. 1A and 2A involve more schools than 6A-7A-8A in this proposal because of coops. If the dream of the high school player is to win a state title, why do you limit the smaller school's opportunity to make the playoffs?

Here's an idea...why not slash the classes into 8 "equal" classes per number of teams, and let the schools propose their districts of 8...with the IHSA intervening for any outlying schools nobody wants (like the St. Louis area 7A & 8A)...
 
32/48 schools in 8A make the playoffs.
32/78 teams in 1A make the playoffs.

A long time ago in the district discussion I pointed out that the usual 8A smallest school had less than 60 schools bigger than it, making 8A the defacto smallest class. I predict that if put to a vote of just 1A schools and 8A schools, the vote will be 100+ against this arrangement, 48 in favor. Why? There are way more 1A coops than 8A. The 70+ schools that coop, combined with the 78 programs you have in 1A, are more than a quarter of the football playing schools in the state.

As well, the 8A districts with only 6 teams will have 4 games to create...if part of the reason for going to districts is scheduling, why would a system be created which forces the big schools that currently have problems filling a schedule (hello DVC) four games to fill? Presumably they will have to play other 8A schools on the weeks that 1A-7A are playing their district games, so their schedules aren't any weaker because of "rigor". If "rigor" is the theory, the Northwest Upstate Illini Conference 1A schools should be getting a 6 team conference...oh wait, you put most of them in 2A...so they should get to vote with their 1A sized schools making the vote even more lopsided...

The current system is far more equitable than this proposal with 48 8A schools and 78 1A schools. 1A and 2A involve more schools than 6A-7A-8A in this proposal because of coops. If the dream of the high school player is to win a state title, why do you limit the smaller school's opportunity to make the playoffs?

Here's an idea...why not slash the classes into 8 "equal" classes per number of teams, and let the schools propose their districts of 8...with the IHSA intervening for any outlying schools nobody wants (like the St. Louis area 7A & 8A)...
I think that what you say in your last paragraph about schools proposing their own districts of 8 combined with some sort of metric that takes into consideration historical competitiveness is something that we might see.

I guess I'm not as concerned about the discrepancy in teams per class because if a school really wanted to they could petition to play up a class. Not saying a 1A school would do that in order to go to 8A, but that itself proves my point that 8A should be rewarded for its rigor because ultimately that is the class most schools are looking to avoid every year.

The small school mentality of upending almost 50 years of playoff history just because they are having trouble keeping their conferences together is troubling in that there is no regard for the domino effect that the district model as proposed will have on the larger schools.

I feel if you want districts that badly then you should be willing to compromise some in order to look out for the best interests of the state...not just your local rooting interest.
 
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Agree with some of the 7A/8A points, which is why I recommend a combined 7a/8a "Open" division with 100ish teams, 48 teams in playoffs and starting play one week early.

Looking through the 2018 7A teams, I believe all but 3 played in a conference with multiple 8A teams so the have been effectively integrated for a while. Additionally, This solves many of the geography issues and address makes it easier to keep more CCL rivalties alive.
 
So regardless of school size competitive balance will be used in the districts too? What an absolute crock
 
So regardless of school size competitive balance will be used in the districts too? What an absolute crock
Why is that such a bad thing? Do you honestly feel Waukegan and Warren are operating on equal footing? Its not like I'm dropping Waukegan down to 1A...just moving them down a class.
 
Why is that such a bad thing? Do you honestly feel Waukegan and Warren are operating on equal footing? Its not like I'm dropping Waukegan down to 1A...just moving them down a class.
Also it is not exactly "regardless of school size" Typically schools are only being moved at most one class which I make clear up front in the proposal. I'm not moving the 1A champ up to 8A or anything like that.
 
Why is that such a bad thing? Do you honestly feel Waukegan and Warren are operating on equal footing? Its not like I'm dropping Waukegan down to 1A...just moving them down a class.

Then keep the conference format. Similar size schools should play similar size schools. Don’t like it, here’s a thought, get better.

If it’s strictly going to be about competitive balance then it’s a waste of time. Hate the idea to begin with and hearing that this could be one of the factors to set the districts makes me hate it even more.

Stop messing with my football. It ain’t broken.
 
"Here's a thought get better." Seriously? So you believe that every school is equal based on enrollment despite no other factors?
 
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Also using the Warren and Waukegan example what would be the suggestions you would give to Waukegan to "get better?" I imagine they don't have nearly as many kids in feeder programs coming up to play for them as Warren does. Does that make it fair then if a school has twice as many kids in helmets as another school? I absolutely feel that school enrollment and nothing else is a terrible way to classify schools. Other states agree with me in that they implement other factors into their seeding formulas.
 
By the way I'm with you and OK with keeping conferences. This is just a work around to the district model which looks like it is coming to be the reality in 2 years.
 
Here is how Ohio seeds their teams for the playoffs which is similar to what I am attempting to do here but without all of the extra math required for now.

3. Division Assignments The division to which a school is assigned is based upon the male enrollment of the school in grades 9-11 as reported by the State Department of Education in even years, with the addition of the Competitive Balance numbers. Base enrollment numbers were calculated for a two-year period beginning June 1, 2017 and Competitive Balance numbers will be added each year before determining divisions. Note that the number of schools sponsoring football may change from one year to the next.

The division ranges with point values are:*
Division Male Enrollment Points No. of Schools
I 619 and More 6.5 72
II 389-618 6 107
III 278-388 5.5 106
IV 211-277 5 106
V 160-210 4.5 106
VI 116-159 4 110
VII 115 and less 3.5 109
Total: 716
NOTE: The Division totals may change as schools adding football and schools that merge are added to divisions on September 10

5. Football Team Computer Rating System The procedure used to rate football teams is based upon a system developed by Jack Harbin of Cleveland and used with his permission. The Board of Directors has modified the original system. Each team will earn points as explained below.
POINT SYSTEM

On the first level:
Points are earned for each game a team wins.
(FULL VALUE)
Points are earned for each game a team ties.
(ONE-HALF VALUE)

On the second level:
Points are earned for each game a defeated opponent wins. (FULL VALUE) Points are earned for each game a defeated opponent ties. (ONE-HALF VALUE)
Points are earned for each game a tied opponent wins. (ONE-HALF VALUE)
Points are earned for each game a tied opponent ties. (ONE-FOURTH VALUE)

Points are earned on the following basis:
Division VII opponent win – 3.5 points; tie – 1.75 points
Division VI opponent win – 4.0 points; tie – 2.0 points
Division V opponent win – 4.5 points; tie – 2.25 points
Division IV opponent win – 5.0 points; tie – 2.5 points
Division III opponent win – 5.5 points; tie – 2.75 points
Division II opponent win – 6.0 points; tie – 3.0 points
Division I opponent win – 6.5 points; tie – 3.25 points

5.1 First Level Points are awarded for
a. Each game a team wins (full value)
b. Each game a team ties (half value)
c. No points are awarded for game lost

5.2 Second Level Points are awarded as a result of a team defeating or tying an opponent according to the following formula:
a. Defeating an opponent awards to the winner the loser’s first level points. b. Tying an opponent awards the team one half the opponent’s first level points.
c. No second level points are awarded for losing to an opponent.
d. A divisor is used to determine second level points. It is based on the number of games that opponents have played to date. For each open date that an opponent has had to date, a smaller divisor is used to calculate second level points.

Note: Before any games are played, the computer assumes that the opponents on each school’s schedule will play a full complement of games and assigns the divisor of 100 (10 weeks times 10 opponents=100). After each week of the season, for each open date that occurs for an opponent that a school has played to date, the computer subtracts the divisor by one. In other words, if week five has just been completed and all five of a 12 school’s opponents have played a full complement of games, then the divisor remains at 100, and second level points are divided by 100. If one opponent on a school’s schedule to date has an open date, then the divisor reduces by one to 99, and second level points are divided by 99, and so on. The second level points are then multiplied by the factor 10 in order to move the decimal point higher so that the averages are comparable to those in past years.
 
Then keep the conference format. Similar size schools should play similar size schools. Don’t like it, here’s a thought, get better.

If it’s strictly going to be about competitive balance then it’s a waste of time. Hate the idea to begin with and hearing that this could be one of the factors to set the districts makes me hate it even more.

Stop messing with my football. It ain’t broken.
North suburban conference is known throughout the state to be a 3 team race every yr And 1 of those teams is 7A,Lake forest has no business in that conference if you want to talk enrollment.Actually Barrington and Huntley should be in that conference if it’s up to enrollment.
 
I suppose everyone thinks the central suburban south conference is healthy conference when MS didn’t loose a conference game for like 10 yrs.Im a huge fan of HS football my whole life and so was my father.Watching or seeing blowouts is no good for anyone.Some programs are just not capable of competing at 8A or 7A even though they have big enrollments.Maybe with all this talk IHSA has a chance to make it better?While keeping some rivalries in place.
 
Just out of curiosity are you a fan of the district proposal that passed last month or would you prefer no districts at all and keep things the way they are?

I like what the IHSA has better than what you have, keeps the class sizes roughly the same and playing schools of the same size. Your plan has too many things that school administrations will never approve.
 
Apparently NIU wants 2 win teams in the playoffs.

The 6 team 8A districts, on average, will have these results:

5-0 District Champion
4-1 Runner Up Playoffs
3-2 Playoffs
2-3 Playoffs
1-4 Miss playoffs
0-5 Miss playoffs

Meanwhile, in 1A the average10 team district results will be:
9-0 District champion
8-1 District Runner Up Playoffs
7-2 Playoffs
6-3 Playoffs
5-4 Miss playoffs
4-5 Miss playoffs
3-6 Miss playoffs
2-7 Miss playoffs
1-8 Miss playoffs
0-9 Miss playoffs

Now, the 8 team districts average:

7-0 District Champion
6-1 District Runner Up Playoffs
5-2 Playoffs
4-3 Playoffs
3-4 Miss playoffs
2-5 Miss playoffs
1-6 Miss playoffs
0-7 Miss playoffs

Hmm, so 2 win 8A schools can make the playoffs (since non-district games are meaningless, 2-3 plus 0-4 makes the playoffs at 2-7....), while 5-4 1A schools almost always miss the playoffs. Sounds fair to who? If you are going to do this, you might as well let everyone in the playoffs...Rigors of 8A?
 
Apparently NIU wants 2 win teams in the playoffs.

The 6 team 8A districts, on average, will have these results:

5-0 District Champion
4-1 Runner Up Playoffs
3-2 Playoffs
2-3 Playoffs
1-4 Miss playoffs
0-5 Miss playoffs

Meanwhile, in 1A the average10 team district results will be:
9-0 District champion
8-1 District Runner Up Playoffs
7-2 Playoffs
6-3 Playoffs
5-4 Miss playoffs
4-5 Miss playoffs
3-6 Miss playoffs
2-7 Miss playoffs
1-8 Miss playoffs
0-9 Miss playoffs

Now, the 8 team districts average:

7-0 District Champion
6-1 District Runner Up Playoffs
5-2 Playoffs
4-3 Playoffs
3-4 Miss playoffs
2-5 Miss playoffs
1-6 Miss playoffs
0-7 Miss playoffs

Hmm, so 2 win 8A schools can make the playoffs (since non-district games are meaningless, 2-3 plus 0-4 makes the playoffs at 2-7....), while 5-4 1A schools almost always miss the playoffs. Sounds fair to who? If you are going to do this, you might as well let everyone in the playoffs...Rigors of 8A?
If those 2-7 teams are playing top-tier opponents each week then yes they should be in the playoffs. Brother Rice at 2-7 two years ago comes to mind in this scenario. Absolutely they were good enough to be in the playoffs two years ago as they proved this year by making it all the way to the championship game.
 
I like what the IHSA has better than what you have, keeps the class sizes roughly the same and playing schools of the same size. Your plan has too many things that school administrations will never approve.
Fair enough. Obviously we completely disagree but I was just curious. Thanks for the input.
 
North suburban conference is known throughout the state to be a 3 team race every yr And 1 of those teams is 7A,Lake forest has no business in that conference if you want to talk enrollment.Actually Barrington and Huntley should be in that conference if it’s up to enrollment.
Libertyville, Warren, Stevenson and Lake Zurich (four teams) have all won conference titles recently.
 
Great job OP, some of us appreciate the effort. Others just suck.
I, too, appreciate the effort of niualum2002. It has been a very enlightening exercise. After reading the many comments back and forth on the various issues, I find myself liking the current system (with conferences) more and more. The DuPage Valley Conference had three teams (60% of the membership) make the playoffs this past season. That seems reasonable. And if they are having difficulty filling a nine-game schedule, they may just have to introduce home-and-home scheduling so teams play each other twice each season (as is done without difficulty in basketball).
 
I, too, appreciate the effort of niualum2002. It has been a very enlightening exercise. After reading the many comments back and forth on the various issues, I find myself liking the current system (with conferences) more and more. The DuPage Valley Conference had three teams (60% of the membership) make the playoffs this past season. That seems reasonable. And if they are having difficulty filling a nine-game schedule, they may just have to introduce home-and-home scheduling so teams play each other twice each season (as is done without difficulty in basketball).
To edit my first post slightly, I realize a few teams in the DVC did play twice. So they might just need to expand that process.
 
Libertyville, Warren, Stevenson and Lake Zurich (four teams) have all won conference titles recently.
Yep forgot Libertyville great program.In that conference you go from really good games to really bad games most yrs.Lake forest,Mundelein Zion Benton and Waukegan that is tough for those teams.I believe playing bad conference games against that many lower opponents hurts you in playoffs.
 
I suppose everyone thinks the central suburban south conference is healthy conference when MS didn’t loose a conference game for like 10 yrs.Im a huge fan of HS football my whole life and so was my father.Watching or seeing blowouts is no good for anyone.Some programs are just not capable of competing at 8A or 7A even though they have big enrollments.Maybe with all this talk IHSA has a chance to make it better?While keeping some rivalries in place.

When the I-8 expanded to 12 schools and went with two divisions, I don't think anyone predicted that Wilmington would have a 50+ game winning streak in the small division. But at that point, I believe Wilmington was also the smallest school in the I-8, and they were the smallest for a couple of years. But the economy caused the demise of the I-8: the quickly dropping enrollments of the small division, combined with the relative stability of Wilmo, made the small division unstable (Seneca is down about 100, everyone else at least down 150). But for every blowout of Westmont (who was over 600 when they joined), there was an ugly game with Lisle...
 
In my opinion, disticts are a farce!!! just keep the connferences the way they are and compete!!!
 
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