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Like everyone else the Oline needs time to play together, but absolving Williams of all fault is short sighted. Other than the drop by Allen at the goal line he did not have one good throw. His deep balls were over thrown, his throws over the middle were short or behind. The throw that Odunze caught that bounced 900 feet in the air hit a closing defender in the face, and he had multiple balls tipped. He wasn't bad, but hard to give him any kind of credit at this point either.
Agreed. He can be better and will. Missed two open throws that we saw that could’ve been scores. Much like the O line being bad, he was. I agree both will get better.

One thing I liked is how the defense adjusted at halftime. Over 100 yards rushing in the first half (116). 24 in the second half.
 
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Derek Carr was a 2nd round pick in 2014 🤣
Correction bad intel. Point being not many have achieved a win in there first NFL game as a rookie QB especially drafted #1. He is already setting records. Hahahaha
It was ugly but I will take the win.
 
Correction bad intel. Point being not many have achieved a win in there first NFL game as a rookie QB especially drafted #1. He is already setting records. Hahahaha
It was ugly but I will take the win.
You were thinking of his brother David Carr, and it was 2002. Time to put the beverage down 🤣
 
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The tipped balls are a concern. At his height, he needs a clean pocket, and the interior of the Bears Oline is bad.
I know I'm in the minority but I'm not overly concerned with the line. I think they'll be fine as long as they stay healthy.

I was also told repeatedly during the offseason that his height would be no issue.
 
Agreed. He can be better and will. Missed two open throws that we saw that could’ve been scores. Much like the O line being bad, he was. I agree both will get better.

One thing I liked is how the defense adjusted at halftime. Over 100 yards rushing in the first half (116). 24 in the second half.
Couldn’t agree more Newt. I think the Bears will get better as the season goes on. Always good to get a win regardless how ugly. Caleb shows signs of what he will be. He just needs more playing time in the NFL to adjust and also gel with his receivers.
 
Couldn’t agree more Newt. I think the Bears will get better as the season goes on. Always good to get a win regardless how ugly. Caleb shows signs of what he will be. He just needs more playing time in the NFL to adjust and also gel with his receivers.
What signs? He was 50% and had under 100 yards.
 
Should be real interesting to see how the defense does against Houston next week.
 
I missed the signs too! 😂 He will get better for sure, but today was awful!
 
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You are a hater. It’s going to be a fun season.
I'm not hating, I'm just stating facts. Please tell me what signs you saw in today's game that made you think he is who you think he can be?
 
I'm not hating, I'm just stating facts. Please tell me what signs you saw in today's game that made you think he is who you think he can be?
He moves well in the pocket while still looking down field. He had some quick passes, he had a few passes dropped but it’s part of the game. He looks composed for a rookie first game. Yes he wasn’t as accurate as he could be but he has the ability and confidence. He shows flashes but I know he needs to improve. I believe he will and later in the season we will have a different conversation. 4A he is a rookie so let’s see how he does in up coming games. I will take the win and glad our defense stepped up.
 
All this talk and no word about how terrible Shane Waldron did as a playcaller
What mysterious play or formation would you have liked him to call that would’ve made the o line block, well anyone, or make receivers catch?

When your o line can’t block anyone it does make the o coordinator look bad I guess
 
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What mysterious play or formation would you have liked him to call that would’ve made the o line block, well anyone, or make receivers catch?

When your o line can’t block anyone it does make the o coordinator look bad I guess
I didn’t agree with a couple play calls but hey it’s a first game for everyone. I didn’t like them trying to throw the ball early in the game when they only needed 1 yard for a first down but hey it was only a couple of plays that we could second guess.
 
What exactly were you looking for in a rookie QBs first NFL game?

What mysterious play or formation would you have liked him to call that would’ve made the o line block, well anyone, or make receivers catch?

When your o line can’t block anyone it does make the o coordinator look bad I guess
Let's focus on three things:
1. Confidence boosting plays/establishing the run game - you brought in one of the top pass catching RBs in the league and grossly underutilized his talents. Instead, we are doing things like taking shots on 3rd and 2. Caleb seemed "hyped up" and was sailing throws. Calm him down with shorter throws

2. Utilizing your TE - this both boosts confidence as mentioned previously as well as helps your OL. I'm interested to see how often we had Kmet lined up tight today

3. More roll outs - the Bears have had 3 straight 1st round QBs that move well out of the pocket combined with below average OL. Yet, we love to have them drop back and "wait" for plays to develop. Get him rolling out to help the line until the defense adapts.
 
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Let's focus on three things:
1. Confidence boosting plays/establishing the run game - you brought in one of the top pass catching RBs in the league and grossly underutilized his talents. Instead, we are doing things like taking shots on 3rd and 2. Caleb seemed "hyped up" and was sailing throws. Calm him down with shorter throws

2. Utilizing your TE - this both boosts confidence as mentioned previously as well as helps your OL. I'm interested to see how often we had Kmet lined up tight today

3. More roll outs - the Bears have had 3 straight 1st round QBs that move well out of the pocket combined with below average OL. Yet, we love to have them drop back and "wait" for plays to develop. Get him rolling out to help the line until the defense adapts.
The Bears had 29 passes and 22 runs so they were fairly balanced. They only had 84 yards rushing and 45 of those yards came on their 3 longest runs. I'd say the Titans defense wasn't going to let them establish the run. Shorter throws? Williams average per attempt was 3.2 yards, so he wasn't exactly slinging it.

I feel that just because a QB is athletic you should constantly be moving him is misguided. While the rollout has it's place and can be effective it also cuts the field in half and lets the defense know you're committing to throw to that side of the field. Williams was not accurate today from the pocket so what makes you think he would have been more accurate on the move?

I'm sure Waldron had one game plan in mind, but like Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." You take what the defense gives you.

Was he "waiting" for plays to develop in the pocket or is he still learning how to read an NFL defense and wasn't getting the ball out quick enough? The OL needs to get better for sure, but at the same time the average time from snap to throw in the NFL is 2.5 seconds so I'm not sure why people are expecting Williams to be able to stand back there all day.
 
The play that fried my azz was the 3rd and 29. Midfield. They call a screen!! If that’s as good as you can do why not just punt on third down!
 
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Like everyone else the Oline needs time to play together, but absolving Williams of all fault is short sighted. Other than the drop by Allen at the goal line he did not have one good throw. His deep balls were over thrown, his throws over the middle were short or behind. The throw that Odunze caught that bounced 900 feet in the air hit a closing defender in the face, and he had multiple balls tipped. He wasn't bad, but hard to give him any kind of credit at this point either.
All the stuff you said about Williams and at the end you finish by saying he "wasn't bad?" The way you put it, you would think the team lost and he performance was awful. A QB who, in your mind, "didn't have one good throw" can't be classified as being "not bad." Come on man!
 
The play that fried my azz was the 3rd and 29. Midfield. They call a screen!! If that’s as good as you can do why not just punt on third down!
That's the same play every team in the league runs in that situation, either that or a draw. Odds of converting are very slim so teams play conservative so they don't make a bad situation worse.
 
I love coming here on some Monday mornings to read the posts and note the times posted. It can be more entertaining than the old days of listening to the post game shows on the radio with O'Bradovich and Buffone. One guy wants to cut Jones at halftime at 12:42. Another guy says he won't jump off a bridge at 1:49. But it has been disappointing. And finally another guy was afraid to look at the score at 1:45 based on what he was reading here. Hilariously funny! 😂 😂

A lot of this is brought on by some people who listened to all the hype. As I said, part of the reason I picked the Bears to win was because the game was against the Titans. I wasn't down in my family room cussing at the TV or losing my mind...especially with Williams. Newt had it right. Hell yes I will take the win! Not being Pollyanna and I realize there are things that need to be cleaned up.

You can go through all the nuts and bolts about Williams' performance. The overthrows and tipped balls. Fine. But something no one mentioned is I something I saw early in the game with Williams. Jitters. Plain and simple. Williams learned what other QBs in the league know. Game speed in preseason is nowhere near game speed when the regular season starts. Reps in preseason are fine. But real game experience trumps all of it. The 19 yard sack loss was a perfect example of that.

OK fine. He will learn. But the Chicago media and 95% of the Bears fans have anointed the poor guy king before he even took a snap. People just need to settle down and give the guy some space. Take the damned win!
 
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That's the same play every team in the league runs in that situation, either that or a draw. Odds of converting are very slim so teams play conservative so they don't make a bad situation worse.
And it drives me nuts! I'm curious the average yards gained in that situation. Based on the field position I would prefer a long pass. What's the worst that can happen? Defensive penalty, interception, incomplete pass? There is a time and place for a screen I just hate it then.
 
Not a great first game for the new offense. Run defense looked bad. The Titans are on the come up just like the Bears, the only difference is that they didn't have the first pick or Hard Knocks. Good offensive line and smart FA decisions on defense.

That doesn't absolve anyone, but it gives some context.
 
It seemed Rome was in the wrong spot on a few pass plays.
And it drives me nuts! I'm curious the average yards gained in that situation. Based on the field position I would prefer a long pass. What's the worst that can happen? Defensive penalty, interception, incomplete pass? There is a time and place for a screen I just hate it then.
sack, strip sack….the OL wasn’t exactly giving tons of time.
 
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And it drives me nuts! I'm curious the average yards gained in that situation. Based on the field position I would prefer a long pass. What's the worst that can happen? Defensive penalty, interception, incomplete pass? There is a time and place for a screen I just hate it then.
What if that interception gets run back? Long passes take time to develop, QB could get sacked and fumble.
 
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Great job by Flus and staff to make some adjustments and come back from a 17 point deficit.
Amazing job by special teams and defense in the 2nd half.
The O line, especially the interior, really struggled, and that was concerning.
I didn’t expect a ton from Caleb, being his first ever game, but all things considered he was underwhelming.
Still, a W is a W.
Move on and get better.
 
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And it drives me nuts! I'm curious the average yards gained in that situation. Based on the field position I would prefer a long pass. What's the worst that can happen? Defensive penalty, interception, incomplete pass? There is a time and place for a screen I just hate it then.
I disagree. Getting first down or completing a long pass in that situation has a zero chance of being successful. The idea is to try to get into FG range for one of the best kickers in the NFL. Guys in the NFL can hit long ones and there are a few examples from yesterday.

On the other hand the defense also knows the Bears are trying to get into FG range making it harder to be successful. I don't know if you were watching the telecast, but right before that play Mark Sanchez outlined what the Bears would be doing and he did mention a screen pass as an option. But, I am still for trying to get into FG range before trying something long. I am not saying the screen is the best option all the time. I would probably rather see a 10-12 yard pass. But not something long.
 
The Bears had 29 passes and 22 runs so they were fairly balanced. They only had 84 yards rushing and 45 of those yards came on their 3 longest runs. I'd say the Titans defense wasn't going to let them establish the run. Shorter throws? Williams average per attempt was 3.2 yards, so he wasn't exactly slinging it.

I feel that just because a QB is athletic you should constantly be moving him is misguided. While the rollout has it's place and can be effective it also cuts the field in half and lets the defense know you're committing to throw to that side of the field. Williams was not accurate today from the pocket so what makes you think he would have been more accurate on the move?

I'm sure Waldron had one game plan in mind, but like Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." You take what the defense gives you.

Was he "waiting" for plays to develop in the pocket or is he still learning how to read an NFL defense and wasn't getting the ball out quick enough? The OL needs to get better for sure, but at the same time the average time from snap to throw in the NFL is 2.5 seconds so I'm not sure why people are expecting Williams to be able to stand back there all day.
Yards per attempt is just yardage divided by how many times he threw, it's a misleading statistic. However, in my quest to find a more definitive answer, I did come upon a chart that at least shows me that I overreacted on that point a hair. Would still have liked to have seen more short to intermediate routes, specifically in the middle of the field. There were very few there.

I agree that saying the QB should be moving JUST because he is athletic would be misguided. That's why I mentioned bringing a TE to help the OL as an option (because the OL was horrific) as well as offering a roll out as a way to help get some clear throwing lanes. Caleb throws a great ball on the run as well.

Another way Waldron could help Williams, to your point about reading coverages, is to utilize more motion so the defense shows it's hand. McVay does a great job of this in LA.
 
Great job by Flus and staff to make some adjustments and come back from a 17 point deficit.
Amazing job by special teams and defense in the 2nd half.
The O line, especially the interior, really struggled, and that was concerning.
I didn’t expect a ton from Caleb, being his first ever game, but all things considered he was underwhelming.
Still, a W is a W.
Move on and get better.
This ^
 
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