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Fenwick vs ESL/PN winner .
IHSA can simply correct this.....they will not violate the bylaws if they say..... "Fenwick is the winner of the game as it was complete with 0 seconds on clock. At that time, the officials job of refereeing the game was complete...so their later determination to allow another play was without substance and not even real.I feel bad for all the parties involved!
IHSA is in a no win situation!
Should they consider the facts and attempt to come up with a compromise?
What compromise is out there that all the parties could agree on???
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Any ideas or suggestions????
IHSA can simply correct this.....they will not violate the bylaws if they say..... "Fenwick is the winner of the game as it was complete with 0 seconds on clock. At that time, the officials job of refereeing the game was complete...so their later determination to allow another play was without substance and not even real.
Precisely. But because the Fenwick coach obviously knew the rule he believed that wasn't necessary.To elaborate on what quags said it's a mutual point now but why not run around in end zone then drop to one and take a safety.
You obviously are not following what I said.....THE IHSA IS NOT VIOLATING THEIR BYLAWS OF OVERTURNING AN OFFICIALS GAME TIME RULING. THE GAME WAS OVER AT ZERO ON THE CLOCK IN REGULATION. THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED AFTER THAT WAS MOOTBut they have already said they won't. And it will violate the by law of all officials calls being final.
You obviously are not following what I said.....THE IHSA IS NOT VIOLATING THEIR BYLAWS OF OVERTURNING AN OFFICIALS GAME TIME RULING. THE GAME WAS OVER AT ZERO ON THE CLOCK IN REGULATION. THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED AFTER THAT WAS MOOT
CAN ONE OF THOSE OFFICIALS MAKE A CALL ON LAST NIGHTS GAME RIGHT NOW????? No!!! Everyone would have to agree that that would be absurd because the game was over. The IHSA admitted the game should have been over.....therefore anything that occurred after 0 seconds on clock in regulation was moot. There were no officials decisions after zero seconds to overturn because there was no game to officiate at that time. It was over. You seem to be a PN guy. I understand you want to see it stand....but it is lame and can be fixed easily with no egg on their faces.One of their by laws states they will not over turn an officials call. A ruling and call are the same thing. The IHSA has already ruled. Yell, stomp, scream - get mad at me, do whatever you have to it isn't changing now, tomorrow or by next Saturday.
There is no time limit on them making another determination. They could issue another statement.I have no dog in the fight, I have no reason to want to see either team win. PN is a great story, Coach Nudo a good friend. All I am saying is what the IHSA has already stated. They ruled it wont be changed and that's it.
I am relaxing in a chair typing on a computer. No temper tantrumThere is no time limit on them making another determination. They could issue another statement.
I never thought for a moment that the IHSA would overturn this. That's a can of worms that should stay closed in my opinion.
your diction with the all caps is why people think you are yelling. Take the CAPS lock offI am relaxing in a chair typing on a computer. No temper tantrum
I just don't understand why this can of worms must stay closed. This is a very specific case where a misapplication of the rules, not a judgement call, extended the game and altered the outcome. I totally agree that if a guy blew a holding or PI call, that's frustrating but not something that should be subject to a postgame revision. But, this is different. They didn't know the rules and they changed the game. And, don't tell me that Fenwick should have scored more to protect themselves against this incompetence. That's BS. They did exactly what they needed to do to win the game. The fact that they are being punished because a bunch of adults were incompetent and lack the courage to open this can of worms is nonsense.
Because youre trying to draw a line where there is none. The refs made a call in the course of the game and that call stands. The reason you want to draw the line where you do is because that would get YOUR desired outcome. Well there are people other than you with different gripes who would want to put that line elsewhere to get their desired outcome.I just don't understand why this can of worms must stay closed. This is a very specific case where a misapplication of the rules, not a judgement call, extended the game and altered the outcome. I totally agree that if a guy blew a holding or PI call, that's frustrating but not something that should be subject to a postgame revision. But, this is different. They didn't know the rules and they changed the game. And, don't tell me that Fenwick should have scored more to protect themselves against this incompetence. That's BS. They did exactly what they needed to do to win the game. The fact that they are being punished because a bunch of adults were incompetent and lack the courage to open this can of worms is nonsense.
Because youre trying to draw a line where there is none. The refs made a call in the course of the game and that call stands. The reason you want to draw the line where you do is because that would get YOUR desired outcome. Well there are people other than you with different gripes who would want to put that line elsewhere to get their desired outcome.
Thats why the call stands. Its a can o worms that need not be opened.
So, if they awarded PN only 2 points when they kicked the field goal and declared Fenwick the winner 10-9, you'd say that was a tough break but mistakes happen?
Wait what? So if my grandmother had balls would that make her my grandfather too ?
Nothing can be done now....
The only thing PN and Fenwick can do now is schedule each other for an early non-conference game for next year! Everyone will want to be there.
If the schedule is already filled then their opponents can play each other.
We need to take care of business and straighten things out and get this thing scheduled right now!
How can IHSA play any of those "do the right thing" commercials they have flooded us with the past 5 years during championship games?
Only if she had facial hair and her name was Caitlyn.
Oh you had to go there
Because youre trying to draw a line where there is none. The refs made a call in the course of the game and that call stands. The reason you want to draw the line where you do is because that would get YOUR desired outcome. Well there are people other than you with different gripes who would want to put that line elsewhere to get their desired outcome.
Thats why the call stands. Its a can o worms that need not be opened.
But it was not a call during the 'course of the game'. It was an intentional grounding call which BY RULE officially ends the game.
Rock,
I suppose that there could be an injunction placed on next weeks game. I'm sure there are a few attorneys in the Friar faithful ready to do some pro bona work!
Really we are gonna go there now? Wow
Really we are gonna go there now? Wow
LCN,
You know I'm not a Fenwick guy, but in today's world would it surprise you?[/QUOT
No it wouldn't at all.
I'm all for what right and reversing the call clearly would be the right thing to do.
It's not going to happen. When your a private association like the IHSA and you have by laws like this that are legal tender, they HS e that to fall back on. It's wrong and it sucks.
But it isn't changing now or anytime soon. If it ever did, every close play or misinterpreted call would land on their door step. We are talking hundreds a week.
I want to see Fenwick as the winner as they should be. But it isn't changing,
That's the post that makes you go 'Wow'? I took it as Jwar being slightly tongue in cheek knowing it couldn't or wouldn't go there. My only Wow in this fiasco is the statement by the IHSA knowing full well that anything that happened after the referee announced intentional grounding cannot exist per their rule book. That's all that had to be said.
Rock,
Honestly it was not tongue in cheek. I also don't see your point as to why it couldn't happen. The ruling was made outside the conclusion of the game and could be argued and ruled outside the referees perview of the game. In today's litigious society I almost expect to see a case filed on Monday.