Does anyone know how the CCL will look next season? I believe the way it’s set up is on a 2 year cycle, skipping the Covid year and moving 1 team up and down from each conference.
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I haven’t seen any proposals. The new additions have to be accounted for first, which will bring the total to 25.Does anyone know how the CCL will look next season? I believe the way it’s set up is on a 2 year cycle, skipping the Covid year and moving 1 team up and down from each conference.
I’m told meeting will take place in the near future - probably right after conclusion of regular season.Does anyone know how the CCL will look next season? I believe the way it’s set up is on a 2 year cycle, skipping the Covid year and moving 1 team up and down from each conference.
Focusing on Rita and if things are similar to these last two years, I suspect Rita in Blue while Marist or BR to Green. Same goes for other divisions. Last place team moves down while first place team in lower division moves up.Does anyone know how the CCL will look next season? I believe the way it’s set up is on a 2 year cycle, skipping the Covid year and moving 1 team up and down from each conference.
One reason for the Pope to declare sainthood for Blessed Don Columba Marmion.I just want Marmion out of that setup to have the division of Saints.
I’ll bet everyone who is considered the 5th and 6th team in each division say no.LA - MC - BR - Rita - PC - FW
ND - CoM - SP - JCA - SV - Marist - Marian
BA - Mont - IC - Naz - SF - Marm
SL - Ign - DLS - DeP - ACC - Leo
Who says no?
Fenwick wants to say no, and they would fit great in either the ESCC division or the west burbs division... but they love those old CCL rivals, just as long as they don't have to play too many of them. It's an odd number of teams, but solved by crossovers, so I'd let Fenwick pick which division they want.
PC could go possibly to ESCC division. Marist could go "Blue" division. ACC could go with the west burbs schools. Marian could go to that 4th division. Is strength the most important factor? Geography?
I'd love to see that cluster of west burbs schools knock heads every week. So many friends and frenemies between most of those matchups.
I don’t believe we will ever see them go back to a division like that top one. Every coach in the old Blue division of the CCL was looking for a change and the merger with the ESCC gave them that opportunity. The goal of the current divisions is to qualify as many teams for the playoffs as possible. These divisions would automatically eliminate 1-2 teams in a division from the playoffs almost every year.LA - MC - BR - Rita - PC - FW
ND - CoM - SP - JCA - SV - Marist - Marian
BA - Mont - IC - Naz - SF - Marm
SL - Ign - DLS - DeP - ACC - Leo
Who says no?
Here's what very rough geographically focused divisions might look like:I’m told meeting will take place in the near future - probably right after conclusion of regular season.
Last time, they realigned all divisions except the Blue and there’s no guarantee that wholesale changes will be made across the board this time around, either.
With 25 programs, I’ve heard it’s possible they’ll go with 5 divisions of 4 teams while the Red could have 5 teams - keeping with the 6 division format.
Personally, I’d like to see 5 divisions of 5 but not sure that’s realistic.
Win/loss record, school enrollment and program head count will still be utilized to help comprise most of it but I think there will still be some subjectivity at the end of the day - meaning if something doesn’t look right using the formula or there’s too many objections then they’ll probably go with some sort of consensus.
Since you’re about to ask, here’s my 5 divisions of 5, purely based on entertainment…
Loyola
Mt Carmel
Brother Rice
Marist
St Rita
Notre Dame
Benet
Fenwick
Carmel Catholic
St Patrick
Joliet Catholic
Nazareth
Providence
Montini
ICC Prep
St Ignatius
St Francis
St Laurence
Marmion
St Viator
Marian Catholic
De La Salle
DePaul Prep
Aurora Catholic
Leo
That would be a fun division…Naz and Montini and closer to Benet, IC and SF than anyone. Those 5 schools can probably make a max trip 20 minutes tops.
Geographically, Naz is closer to DLS and St. Laurence than it is to SF and closer to Fenwick than it is to Montini.Naz and Montini and closer to Benet, IC and SF than anyone. Those 5 schools can probably make a max trip 20 minutes tops.
I too like the Southside Division, however it feels weird not having Loyola in what would be considered the toughest division. Loyola is one of , if not the, premier program of the CCL over the past 8-10 years, they deserve to be in the top division.Here's what very rough geographically focused divisions might look like:
Loyola, Carmel Catholic, Notre Dame, Viator, Pat's
Ignatius, DLS, Fenwick, Naz, Montini,
MC, BR, SR, Marist, PC
JCA, Benet, SF, IC, SL
Marmion, ACC, De Paul Prep, Leo, Marian Catholic, Leo
Yes, I realize that Loyola currently doesn't belong competitively with the others in their division, but I do like Loyola and ND together. Yes, I realize the last division is a bit of a hodge podge, but I do like ACC and Marmion together.
I really do like that southside division with PC thrown in for good measure. I also really like that 4th division of west and sw suburban schools. I like Fenwick, Naz, and Montini in the same division. Like Iggy and Fenwick together as well.
I know this is all spitballing, but Holecek would lose his mind if this was LA's Conf, and rightfully so, outside of the much better travel times. I think you would also need to get PC and JCA in he same division. PC is just starting to build up some steam, getting put in a Conf with MC, BR, SR and Marist would stop that momentum. But if they would truly consider a 5 team division, I'd rather JCA over PC.Here's what very rough geographically focused divisions might look like:
Loyola, Carmel Catholic, Notre Dame, Viator, Pat's
Ignatius, DLS, Fenwick, Naz, Montini,
MC, BR, SR, Marist, PC
JCA, Benet, SF, IC, SL
Marmion, ACC, De Paul Prep, Leo, Marian Catholic, Leo
Yes, I realize that Loyola currently doesn't belong competitively with the others in their division, but I do like Loyola and ND together. Yes, I realize the last division is a bit of a hodge podge, but I do like ACC and Marmion together.
I really do like that southside division with PC thrown in for good measure. I also really like that 4th division of west and sw suburban schools. I like Fenwick, Naz, and Montini in the same division. Like Iggy and Fenwick together as well.
Splitting hairs on some of them by a mile or so. But no way Naz is closer to Fenwick or their home field than Montini.Geographically, Naz is closer to DLS and St. Laurence than it is to SF and closer to Fenwick than it is to Montini.
I do realize, though, that we measure distance in Chicago according to driving time.
I know this is all spitballing, but Holecek would lose his mind if this was LA's Conf, and rightfully so, outside of the much better travel times. I think you would also need to get PC and JCA in he same division. PC is just starting to build up some steam, getting put in a Conf with MC, BR, SR and Marist would stop that momentum. But if they would truly consider a 5 team division, I'd rather JCA over PC.
Good OL’ Weber closing too stopped a rivalry. But ND has been consistent and with their new coach I see Pats becoming that way sooner then later. LA has a monster roster. 120 players...it’s a great compliment to the school and programs success that so many players want to be a part of it. What I think will happen soon is some of these kids will say “Do I want to ride the bench at LA, or go to Pats or ND and play?” And the more successful they get the more likely it will happen. Same thing happened to MC and Rita when they were carrying large rosters...they eventually said “I can probably play at BR or Marist” and hence the large and competitive South Side rivalries we have now.You are most certainly correct. Fact is, I envy the southside Catholic schools for the local rivalries they have with each other. When I was at Loyola, our biggest somewhat local Catholic school rivalry was Gordon Tech and its then 2700 boys. Those days are long gone. Our biggest rival now is New Trier, but that's not a conference rival. I couldn't even tell you who our biggest conference rival is now. Maybe Iggy because of the Jesuit connection.
What other Catholic schools does Loyola compete with for students? Besides Regina, Woodlands, Northridge Prep and The Willows, every single school in my proposed Loyola division in my original post, plus Ignatius and De Paul Prep.
I've been Jonesin for years for Loyola to be in a conference with NDCP and to become healthy rivals with them. I know they already have a strong rivalry with Pat's, but they're closer to Loyola than they are to Pat's
You are already starting to see this from schools on the NW side. Kids are realizing that Loyola doesn’t come out and recruit these schools. They haven’t really in years and obviously don’t need too. Kids along with their families see the success but would rather go play and see the field at other high schools.Good OL’ Weber closing too stopped a rivalry. But ND has been consistent and with their new coach I see Pats becoming that way sooner then later. LA has a monster roster. 120 players...it’s a great compliment to the school and programs success that so many players want to be a part of it. What I think will happen soon is some of these kids will say “Do I want to ride the bench at LA, or go to Pats or ND and play?” And the more successful they get the more likely it will happen. Same thing happened to MC and Rita when they were carrying large rosters...they eventually said “I can probably play at BR or Marist” and hence the large and competitive South Side rivalries we have now
I'd love to see Loyola and JCA go at it every year. They could put JC in the Blue. I bet that they would welcome the challenge.I'd rather JCA over PC.
Oct. 23 has been circled all year for me. I think MC will decimate the Ramblers.October 15 has been circled all year for them.
For MC, LA, BR & SR… no there is no difference. Probably the same for the top 3 teams in each division you outlined. Where you get the pushback is the next 2-3 teams in the division. For PC & Fenwick in your top division you’re now adding all 4 of MC, LA, BR & SR to their schedules. How many years do you believe Fenwick would be favored in any of those games? That is where I believe the biggest difference lays, not with the top 3-4 teams in a division, but with the 5-6 team in the division.
There are /2 teams in the league this year and after 7 weeks 19 of 22 had three or more wins.I get it. I just really dislike it. 4 team divisions never sat well with me. With all the crossovers, every team plays a schedule that is very similar to the schedule in my divisions anyway.
This year LA plays SR BR FW Marist PC SP MC.
In my divisions, LA plays SR BR FW PC MC and 2 crossovers. Give them Marist and BA. Same schedule.
This year St. Pat’s plays ND MCC Marian SR CoM FW LA SV (and Ign in Wk 1 non-conf).
In my divisions, SP plays ND Marian JCA Marist CoM SV and one crossover.
Is there really a difference?
Right. And that’s the day they can finally circle the 23rd. It’s nuanced, people! Gah!Oct. 23 has been circled all year for me. I think MC will decimate the Ramblers.
MC's second team could beat Loyola.s first.Right. And that’s the day they can finally circle the 23rd. It’s nuanced, people! Gah!
I thought St. Rita and JCA had a good thing going. But JCA didn’t want to renew the contract. LA May be a little too big for JCA to play every year. On good years JCA can play with anyone. But on years they have to reload LA might be too much. When LA reloads it’s not the same when the rest of us get hit hard by graduation. The just bring in Patton’s 3rd Army.I'd love to see Loyola and JCA go at it every year. They could put JC in the Blue. I bet that they would welcome the challenge.
I’m sure you’re old enough to remember the 80’s-90’s ND/LA used to play week 2 every year. LA definitely dominated the series but there were some great games. I think it’s a rivalry that could be hotter than the SP/ND rivalry eventually if it got going. We need to raise our level of play to be able to compete with LA. I believe by playing them every year we would attract kids that would love to be a part of a rivalry like that.You are most certainly correct. Fact is, I envy the southside Catholic schools for the local rivalries they have with each other. When I was at Loyola, our biggest somewhat local Catholic school rivalry was Gordon Tech and its then 2700 boys. Those days are long gone. Our biggest rival now is New Trier, but that's not a conference rival. I couldn't even tell you who our biggest conference rival is now. Maybe Iggy because of the Jesuit connection.
What other Catholic schools does Loyola compete with for students? Besides Regina, Woodlands, Northridge Prep and The Willows, every single school in my proposed Loyola division in my original post, plus Ignatius and De Paul Prep.
I've been Jonesin for years for Loyola to be in a conference with NDCP and to become healthy rivals with them. I know they already have a strong rivalry with Pat's, but they're closer to Loyola than they are to Pat's
Might be a good idea to cancel. Think about the safety of the kids.MC's second team could beat Loyola.s first.
You are already starting to see this from schools on the NW side. Kids are realizing that Loyola doesn’t come out and recruit these schools. They haven’t really in years and obviously don’t need too. Kids along with their families see the success but would rather go play and see the field at other high schools.
I'm just hoping MC doesn't lose too badly on live TV affecting their psyche for the playoffs.Might be a good idea to cancel. Think about the safety of the kids.
There are 22 schools playing football currently. Three (IC, ACC, & St. Francis) are joining for a total of 25. So will one division have five teams am I missing something obvious?Hearing 2023-24 divisions and schedules will be determined/announced very, very soon.
Will be 6 divisions of 4. The formula (conference W/L, enrollment, program head count) and AD input/projection was considered.
Good catch. I believe the bottom division will have 5 teams.There are 22 schools playing football currently. Three (IC, ACC, & St. Francis) are joining for a total of 25. So will one division have five teams am I missing something obvious?