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I didn’t see much on f the game but I did see the ending. Fields stats looked better.
Further proof Rodgers owns the Bears. Hub Arkush gets whacked by the AP as an MVP voter.
Easy, the guy had been in ICU for weeks, just got out.
Rodgers may; but he’s a complete D-bag.
I can't believe you follow the Bears and didn't know about Arkush and his situation. It was only everywhere.
Your a Packer fan! Great. On a bright note Roger’s looked like Fields against the Jets! Hahaha
Offense looking fantastic against the Cheatriots
@corey90 …you still taking Mac Jones over Fields? I assume you’d take Zappe over Fields too, correct? Seeing the way 1 is playing he still has a long way to go but his ceiling is way higher than Mac’s. Get a coach that uses his talent and accentuates it is what the Beloved needs. Let him do what he does and his entire game will follow. It’s a confidence issue and that’s starting to develop. HC is helping out quite a bit with the play calling.
Finally allowing fields to be himself and designing run plays for him. This offense is so tough to stop.
THIS! Instead of trying to make this kid what he isn’t, use his athletic skill. Moving him and protecting him will lead to this kid growing. Love what I have seen of him tonight. Playing with a ton of poise
He’s a weapon and tough as nails. He has that competitive fire that Eberflus will develop. I’m borderline impressed with the way the team plays.
Get him some weapons on the edge and he might be solid.
Got nothing. Lol
Fields played his best game as a pro. Since I am a Bears fan I am happy. I the only thing I will add is if they keep calling running plays as often as they are he won’t last long in the league. No one is questioning Fields toughness.
Corey, you always take the win. But let's put this in perspective. It was an upset. They beat a team that will, most likely, finish last in their division. Let's see how the Bears do against the other three teams in that division. And reality is going to slap them in the face this Sunday.
I am happy they won and Fields played well. But his stats won't be overwhelming. I look at their schedule and I see two or three more wins...maybe.
And I agree with you. If Fields continues to take the hits he takes it will definitely shorten his career.
You probably looked at the schedule and had the Rams, Bucs and Packers sitting with a combined record of 9-11, too. Great win. Complete three phase victory. Not going to let people piss all over the parade after games like that.
Here let me fix it for you,
Fields thoroughly outplayed Jones and Zappe - had over 80 yards rushing against a top ten rush defense.
Upset doesn’t negate a solid performance.
Some fans are just happier being miserable I guess. Last night was progress.
This season isn’t about wins or losses that’s what a rebuild is. You saw young guys make big plays - Fields, Brisker, Gordon, Robinson. That’s kind of how this works.
I think this was good because it was the 1st time I've seen the Bears actively make the offense be about the skills of the QB even since before Trubisky. Those designed runs are fundamental. Moving the pocket is fundamental for this team. Ravens do this, Bill's do this. It shouldn't be that difficult a concept.
Here's what guys like you don't understand. Never will. Of course I am happy with the win. But to get borderline giddy is silly. It's one game.
While I like the win, the real crux of the issue is, the McCaskeys are leading this "rebuild" again. They have been screwing the fans over for 30 years. They have a shit team, then they do a rebuild and things look better for a little while...but they win nothing. And before long they are right back to where they were before. Then they blow it up, hire a new GM and new coaches and it starts all over. Wash, rinse, repeat. And every time it starts over they say "this time it will be different" and then it never is.
No, the Bears don't make me miserable. But I am extremely skeptical of that organization. I don't know how anyone can't be skeptical of these guys running things. I just happen to know what that organization is all about and winning isn't it. How many times do you need to be screwed over before you finally say. "hey I think I might be getting screwed over."
I don't spend too much time ripping on the players and coaches. The real question is, who hires those GMs? Who hires the coaches? Who drafts those players. What are the Bears going to do when or if Roquan Smith walks? That whole situation was handled horribly and for his sake I hope he does walk. Because he isn't going to win anything here.
If you're a young player in the league would you rather be in the Bears organization? Or would you rather be in Green Bay, New England, KC or some other organization? In other words, which organization/s puts more emphasis on winning and gets players and coaches to do that?
The Bears are, at best, a middling organization and have been that way for decades. Sure there have been a few good years. But it is very rare. If you are the kind of person who is ok with mediocrity, you're really the person who is miserable. Some of us demand more. Some of us would like an organization we feel is really trying to win. Because when I see most of the stuff the McCaskeys do, it simply doesn't give me that impression and it never has.
This is one game. I am looking at the big picture and based on the past it is hard not to think we are being set up again. I hope I am wrong.
I never understood this belief. Just because a QB runs doesn’t mean they are taking bad hits.
When a QB runs he is able to anticipate the hit and brace himself. When they are in the pocket and get hit, it’s the complete opposite. Pocket hits are no bueno.
Additionally, QB runs are majority RRO (Run Run Option) plays. If the QB pulls the ball it means the defense has played the RB and the QB has space to run. QB runs are not often between the tackles where the big dogs play.
When pass plays break down and fields runs around w his head cut off…those hits suck and are dangerous. But, sometimes he runs around and gets 15yards. It’s a double edge sword that I think we just have to live with.
Fields is 6’3 225lb, jacked and runs a 4.4. He is a football player first and QB second. He is Lamar Jackson and not Aaron Rodgers. What we saw last night all Bears fan can get behind. Hope we see more and more QB designed runs as they are impossible to stop if we can block them.
The narrative that the McCaskeys are leading this rebuild is so meatball fandom garbage.
Giddy? No. Seeing clear progress for a team that wasn’t supposed to be good this year, has $100-plus million available cap in 23 and 11 of their own picks? Absolutely.
this is the first time in my lifetime that there is a clear and organized plan by someone other than the mccaskeys to build this team.
Anyone that sees this differently I would very much like to hear your plan and then compare it to what Poles is doing.
Keep in mind, this roster was a disaster
Giddy? No. Seeing clear progress for a team that wasn’t supposed to be good this year, has $100-plus million available cap in 23 and 11 of their own picks? Absolutely.
this is the first time in my lifetime that there is a clear and organized plan by someone other than the mccaskeys to build this team.
Anyone that sees this differently I would very much like to hear your plan and then compare it to what Poles is doing.
Keep in mind, this roster was a disaster
Maybe you are right. Maybe I should set my expectations lower. It's just that I have seen this movie before and I don't want to be aggravated again.
I remember when Ditka came to the Bears. He told the team to believe in him and trust him and they will be playing in the Super Bowl in three years...and they were. Obviously I haven't seen every presser, or read everything everyone in the organization says. But do you know of anyone in the organization who has mentioned the SB or maybe a timetable as to when they are expecting to challenge and maybe get there? I haven'. But maybe I missed it. Maybe it has been mentioned and I just didn't hear it.
I think the Super Bowl should always be the goal. Maybe not right now but it should get talked about virtually every week as the long term goal. We suspect that's it but it needs to be said over and over.
I am sure you would agree the SB needs to be the long term plan. But what do you think? How long do you think this plan should take. Two years? Three years? More? It's a serious question and I'd like your take.
While we are at it, what is the definition of progress? A QB or team that is improving? If that is it, or part of it, what defines "improving?" Wins and losses? Or what? I am sure you understand professional sports are defined by wins and losses first and foremost. Nothing matters that much at that level.
So, the Bears won six games last year. If they happen to win the same amount this year is that considered progress or standing still? I am asking this stuff seriously. I am sure you remember the Bears had a pretty tough schedule last year. They played both teams that went to the SB. I think they played 10 or 11 games against playoff teams.
What do you think? How many years before this team challenges for a SB?
So LTHS
I hear you and I have to say I can’t and won’t argue. I have seen the movie you talk about and its not pretty. This is why I said I got nothing. I don’t know why Fields finally found guys open. I mean he even checked off his first option and found the open guy. I don’t know how or why this game he played with more confidence? I will take the win as a Bears fan. I take the win knowing next week they can come out and lay a stinker. I will give Fields 3 years to grow. All he has to do is show improvement year over year. If he goes backwards in year 3 the party is over.
I hope this GM and Coach have it all figured out but I am extremely guarded.
I hear you and I have to say I can’t and won’t argue. I have seen the movie you talk about and its not pretty. This is why I said I got nothing. I don’t know why Fields finally found guys open. I mean he even checked off his first option and found the open guy. I don’t know how or why this game he played with more confidence? I will take the win as a Bears fan. I take the win knowing next week they can come out and lay a stinker. I will give Fields 3 years to grow. All he has to do is show improvement year over year. If he goes backwards in year 3 the party is over.
I hope this GM and Coach have it all figured out but I am extremely guarded.
OK let me make sure I understand your post. So, you're saying the hits Fields is taking won't shorten his career? He can continue to do what he is doing and it won't affect him or his career, right?
Oversimplification.
Could these hits affect his career? Sure. Will they? We don’t know. As long as he slides he’s safer on the move than in the pocket with this offensive line. They are getting better, but still subpar.
OK Corey so I will ask you what I asked Newt. What is your definition of improving or progress as far as Fields goes? Is it improvement in his numbers? Is it leading the team to wins? We put a awful lot of emphasis on Fields. And he's the QB so most of it comes with the territory. Personally I liked the offense in that game. I was just telling a friend before the game that over the last 30+ years the Bears had, for the most part, played boring football. That wasn't true on Monday.
But let's not forget the outstanding game the defense had too. They have been excellent in the second half all season long so far. I think that has been overlooked. But with all that said, let's not get crazy just yet.
OK, I get the Fields thing. I like the kid. But I am always skeptical of the Bears. I have 30+ years of evidence to back that up too.
Rick Telander had an excellent column in the Sun Times on Monday. In it he said the biggest problem the Bears organization has, among all the problems, is a lack of continuity when it comes to hiring coaches and GMs. It has become a revolving door. The Bears need to hire the right people and, for Heaven's sake, stick with them.
In recent years, go back to 2014. The Vikings hired Mike Zimmer and the Bears had Marc Trestman as HC. From that point through the 2021 season Zimmer was their only coach. The Bears went through three HCs during that time. Zimmer didn't burn the world down but his record was 72-56-1. His teams went to the playoffs three times and he won the NFC North twice.
Also, Lovie Smith spent 9 seasons as HC for the Bears. He went 81-63. He went to three playoffs, went to a SB and won 3 Division titles. No, not necessarily burning the world down, but better than anyone since Ditka.
In that same time period with Zimmer, Trestman, Fox and Nagy went 61-84 went to two playoffs and won one NFC North title. The point is this. Zimmer got a legitimate shot for 8 years. In the meantime the Bears hired and fired multiple coaches and GMs. This is what the Bears need to stop doing if they expect to win anything.
The focus needs to be on winning. Not just rebuild for a few years, play OK, then suck, then do it all over again.
No matter how big and strong he is, the constant hits will take their toll. I’d rather see him mature into the QB that only runs when needed. If he’s running like he is next year or the year after it doesn’t bode well for his development as a QB.
Yeah, it's pretty simple. The more he runs, the greater the chance is in his being injured, thus shortening his career. These guys know the risks. You want to play the flashy style? Then sooner or later you will pay the penalty. Remember...this isn't college football. These are NFL players delivering those hits.
No. What I said is I disagree with the narrative that if a QB runs, it will shorten his career. Just because a QB runs doesn't mean he's going to take bad hits.
QB's bad hits are in the pocket. Not usually outside of it.
There are actually a few studies online that support this.
QB's that Run, aren't injured most
There's no data to back this up. Also, I'm trying to
I don't think it's "flashy football" at all. QB runs give the offense a numbers advantage and requires a tough S.O.B at the position.
It is what it is. Fields is a dynamic dual threat QB and posses skills that can be impossible to stop. If we can get 10 years out of him in this type of offense that'd be awesome.
