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NIU to the Mountain West

I don't like the current environment and the inevitable changes to come either and the entire tradition of the sport is being erased, but the reality is that the Big Ten and SEC have complete control of the future of this sport. They aren't giving it up or sharing it with anyone. Oregon and Texas snuck into the free world just before the Berlin Wall was constructed.

Miami, Clemson, and FSU, ASU, and Colorado (plus VT, GT, UNC, etc) are programs that got stuck in East Berlin but are desperately searching for the tiny crack to get to the free world.

Even ND will be squeezed at some point this decade to pick one of the big 2 leagues to join. Vanderbilt and Northwestern are lucky to be on the right side of this, but the reality is the 40-48 programs that end up getting Golden Tickets to the Big Two aren't going to consider knocking down the Berlin Wall. They are going to build it higher to keep Kansas State, Iowa State, and Wake Forest from diluting their revenue pool. They may even try to throw Rutgers and some others back over the wall.

It is bad for the game, but it is the sad reality of where this is headed. And programs won't like it when blue bloods end up regularly finishing around .500 because the leagues have too many "name brands." Oklahoma was Oklahoma and Nebraska was Nebraska back in the day because there were a few good teams in each league and the rest was cannon fodder. In the new environment, all of the brand names will be concentrated into two leagues so each league will have 16-20 brand names and only 4-8 teams as cannon fodder.

That's too many losses to go around to keep all the blue bloods recognized as true blue bloods. It is going to get real interesting as brands start to lose their mystique while simultaneously closing the door on any chance for additional cannon fodder to enter one of the prized big two leagues.
I generally agree with what you've said. I think that my proposal helps accomplish that. It keeps things fairly separated in that top 60 where even tier 2 is gonna get most of the benefit they have today, (that's a lot of TV money to still spread to feature regular season matchups) but you're gonna make those last twenty or so teams into the SEC/BIGTen affiliation basically earn their keep. The true blue bloods should be able to keep themselves in the top 56 each year. But if any of the bottom feeders push back because of the possibility they get relegated out of relevance... That will be the fight I guess.

If they completely shut out into a 60 team super league I think they may becomes too insular... Maybe keeping that sliver of connection through promotion helps though... We'll see though.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

I agree with most of the premise, however, I will say that there is some level of accountability. The problem is that the decision makers on the school board or in the district office hold the wrong people accountable. They often go after the teachers or building administrators for the results of the poor decisions made above them. The public needs to hold school board members more accountable. School board members need to hold district admin more accountable.

Correcting failures in the system does not involve a broad solution. Each individual entity (school district) must determine what issues impact them the most and work to solve those issues. No one has the perfect solution.

If I were to start researching potential solutions for improving academic outcomes in a school district, these are the areas I would focus on, along with additional supporting facts that highlight their importance:
1. Address Educational Funding Inequities
Ensure underfunded school districts receive adequate resources to meet the needs of their students.
In Illinois, districts serving the highest percentages of low-income students receive approximately 22% less state and local funding per student than wealthier districts, according to the Education Law Center.
Many schools operate in unsafe, hazardous conditions with little to no support for effective learning. Funding reforms are critical to create safe, well-equipped environments where students can thrive.

2. Prioritize Teacher Support
Offer competitive salaries and benefits to attract and retain high-quality educators, reducing the risk of teacher shortages.
The Learning Policy Institute reports that districts with higher teacher salaries experience lower turnover rates and attract more qualified applicants, directly improving student outcomes.
Lower student-to-teacher ratios in struggling districts to improve individualized attention.
Shift the narrative to stop blaming public schools and teachers for broader societal issues they cannot control.

3. Focus on Future-Ready Education: CTE and STEM
Eliminate over-reliance on rote memorization and emphasize critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, STEM jobs are expected to grow by 8% from 2019 to 2029, faster than non-STEM jobs, with median wages nearly double the national average.
Expand Career and Technical Education (CTE) and STEM programs to prepare students for evolving industries and global competitiveness.

4. Revamp Early Childhood Education
Adopt models inspired by Asian countries emphasizing discipline, routine, teamwork, and play-based learning in Pre-K through 1st grade.
Countries like Japan and South Korea have some of the highest literacy and math proficiency rates globally, attributed to early emphasis on discipline, structure, and collaborative learning.
Promote multilingual development in the early years.
Encourage self-sustaining classrooms where children take on responsibilities such as helping with daily activities, meal preparation, and cleanup.

5. Invest in Community and Parental Engagement
Foster partnerships between schools, families, and the community to support student success.
Research from the Harvard Family Research Project shows that students with engaged parents are 2.6 times more likely to graduate from high school and attend college.
Create programs that encourage parents to take an active role in their child’s education and school activities.

6. Reform Disciplinary Policies
Revise outdated and ineffective disciplinary practices to focus on restorative approaches that foster accountability and growth rather than punitive, menial consequences.
Schools that implement restorative justice practices have seen a 44% reduction in suspension rates, improving student behavior and school climate.

7. Increase Accountability for Truancy
Implement strategies to hold parents accountable for ensuring regular attendance while addressing underlying barriers to student engagement.
Chronic absenteeism affects nearly 8 million U.S. students annually, with long-term effects on academic achievement and graduation rates. Parent accountability programs in some states have reduced truancy rates by as much as 25%.

8. Reinforce the Value of Public Education
Help society recognize that the U.S. public education system has been a cornerstone of the nation’s rise to global prominence. It has fostered widespread literacy, innovation, and economic growth, creating a workforce and citizenry capable of sustaining democracy and global leadership.
Yeah but what about 3-4 vs 4-3 vs 3-3-5 stack?
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[No issue with your post whatsoever and no dog in the fight in this particular exchange]

But hijacking a few very valid points made here as it relates to my prior comments on "culture", "recruiting", "getting" players, etc. If you are going to convince me to pay money to go to a school with potentially worse facilities, infrastructure, and academic outcomes and options, and I'm not making my decision based on religion... there had better be a compelling reason for me to do so.

And for many football players, the culture, focus, and emphasis on quality coaching and football success is that reason. And it is a flywheel that attracts other football players. It is a "muscle" that has been developed by the Catholic schools that are currently thriving, and one that has atrophied at those that are not. For some who feel it is unfair, they will say the school went out and "got" a player. For others, it's a concerted institutional effort to overcome the disadvantages quoted above and still succeed, by creating a "quality" in their program that is difficult to replicate when the rest of the school is not necessarily aligned.

Whether or not it is a "good" thing is up for debate. A regular student might have a much richer experience at Glenbrook South than Notre Dame.

And just to reiterate, I take no issue with your post and agree that neither public or private education is inherently superior, both are necessary, and an individual choice is totally situational.
This is a great response. Thank you for that. I do agree that the thriving catholic schools are also the schools that make football (and many other sports) are priority and many people argue (mostly accurately) that this is a necessity to stay open. This reminds of D3 schools that must put a huge emphasis on sports in order to stay open.

I do agree that individual choice is totally situational and it can vary from kid to kid in a family. Loyola's running back is a Glenview kid who had a brother start on a quarterfinalist team for GBS. He decided to go to Loyola. It paid off with 3 state championships. Two kids from the same family with different choices. Both, I think, really liked their choices.

What makes the advantage debate so contentious is that this is a zero sum game. The fact that the RB went to Loyola takes a phenomenal football player away from GBS who they make struggle to replace. This hurts GBS. If that is 2-3 kids in the same class, that can cripple a public school team.

I am not here because I am anti private schools, I definitely get defensive when people generalize and make broad statements about public schools. Especially because situations are so different depending on the school, the community, the family, the kid.
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I don't like the current environment and the inevitable changes to come either and the entire tradition of the sport is being erased, but the reality is that the Big Ten and SEC have complete control of the future of this sport. They aren't giving it up or sharing it with anyone. Oregon and Texas snuck into the free world just before the Berlin Wall was constructed.
unfortunately, I agree with everything you posted.

That's why, just spitballing as fans, for a relegation/promotion type plan to actually happen, would take a SEC/Big10 "premier" league of 40 teams. That's basically those 2 conferences now, with another handful of the top other schools added. Could easily figure out a schedule/playoff system based off four 10 team divisions. All the big money and most of '5 star' prospects would be there. The relegation aspect of it keeps the "Purdue" types on their toes, and adds a whole other marketing angle for ESPN/Fox/etc to play. Imagine a "champions" level league with playoffs that promote schools up to premier. Would draw much higher ratings (and $$$) than all the random bowls.

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This is a wildly inappropriate response on so many levels. First of all, you admit right away that you and your kids went to 16 years of private schools. Which is great. But that means you have literally zero experience with public schools. So it almost invalidates the rest of your points by trying to act like you have insight into public school parents.

I never tried to act that way at all. I was simply positing possibilities. Reread what I wrote, because it seems to me like you have reading comprehension issues. I went out of my way not to sound authoritative. I specifically tried to use words and phrases like like "could it be, ,"I imagine," etc. Besides, I admit that what I wrote were assumptions. Indeed, most of them were phrased in the form of questions designed to be closer to offering food for thought than a definitive essay. You don't have to agree with them, but I can't help it if you failed to understand how they were expressed.

Then you go on to completely make up unfound opinions about public school parents. I can assure you that no public school parents are having nagging thoughts about not valuing their kids education because they did not pay a private tuition. Especially in the suburbs of Chicago where the public schools often score higher than the private schools.

Again, it was food for thought. Questions that I posed. As for unfounded opinions, welcome to a message board. Go somewhere else if unfounded opinions offend you or turn you off. Is not your assurance that no public school parents are having nagging thoughts about not valuing their kids' education nothing more than an unfounded opinion? If not, then go for it. Show me the data supporting your assurance (opinion).


You accuse public school supporters as having an "inferiority complex", as "lashing out", as needing to "cope", or as having an "aversion to any type of organized religion".

It was NOT an accusation. Read it AGAIN.

I too can make broad generalizations and make claims with little to no evidence.

Go for it. I'm a private school fan and I'm used to generalizations about them.

In the beginning you said " I like to imagine what I could have done with all the tuition money if I had my kids belly up and go to the public education trough" and that makes me wonder is it in fact YOUR resentment and your nagging thoughts that maybe instead of paying thousands of dollars for the same education as a public school do you feel that you did not value your kid's childhood enough to give them more experiences?

Good one. Phrased as a question. Well played.

Now I'm not actually accusing you of this because it would be unfair to you and it would even more unfair to generalize and accuse large swaths of private education parents of this as well.

I know you weren't accusing me because you posited it in the form of a question. Just as I did in my post that you failed to comprehend.

Also why do you feel the need to insult the public education by using terms like "belly up to the public education trough"?

Did you like that? Pretty graphic, huh? Is it me feeling a need to insult public education? I wouldn't call it a need. More like a desire to tweak its nose. Would you rather I had painted a picture of puppies all jockeying each other for access to the public school teat? Much cuter, huh?

Do you actually feel superior to the public education clientele?

No.

If it is a money thing as you mentioned, does it make you feel good to insult the education?

No.

Often times public schools have significantly more supports (such as math labs, writing labs, IA's, support classes) and broader range of classes (such as more AP classes and Dual credit classes). Not sure why you feel the need to tear down public education on a forum designed to talk about athletics.

Again, this reading comprehension thing seems to be a challenge for you. I don't feel the need to tear down public education at all. I do, however, feel the need to call out many public school apologists for their double standards, their whining, and for generally just being pains in the neck.

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In there district you are absolutely correct. The youth programs are in there district yes they will talk to those kids. They will most likely attend their school. A handful will go private for various reasons. I understand the private recruiting and the need to bring in kids. I also understand when coaches from private schools attend these youth games they are recruiting them to come play for them. It’s totally legal and I have no problem with it. You can look at my posts and I don’t whine about losing to a private. It happens and the next year maybe not. The issue at hand is trying to come up with a system that allows both Privates and publics to be competitive and fair.
We have a decent system in place already but it doesn't sound like you like the results since too many Catholic's win. There are a handful of catholic schools that win a lot and handful of publics that have win a lot, like in most sports.


Most of the the other schools private or public are never gonna win anything no matter how much tinkering is done. Success isn't fair, so the next best thing is to be given a chance. A chance that everyone has at the start of a football season.
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Completely agree the investment was worth it. Best part was that going from Jesuit HS to Jesuit College with well earned scholarships made college tuition less than Ignatius. He also said he was extremely well prepared for college, especially when it came to writing. Something many of his college classmates struggled with. Some who may have not had grammar, and clear and concise writing beaten into them (mostly figuratively).

My dad said never total up the tuition payments you have made. Just enjoy the fruits of money well spent.
Couldn't agree with you more. Both my wife and I received 16 years of Catholic education. Our five kids all received 12 years of Catholic education before deciding on attending large state universities for college. Their Catholic education more than prepared them for success in college. All of our kids played varsity sports and none of our choices regarding education had anything to do with athletics. I will always believe it was money well spent!

NIU to the Mountain West

In my idea of NCAA promotion relegation there is a premier league that is without conference affiliation, but is the promotion spot from a very broad "SEC" and "BigTen". So every school will eventually funnels through those affiliation which are broadly regional N/S. All other conference names for football become mere branding and licensing agreements.

Top 12 premier league. 11 game round Robin regular season with 1 non-league "rivalry" game permitted.

Top 4 playoff for championship.

Bottom 4 auto relegated and placed in either "Big Ten" or "SEC" first according to historical ties and second on N/S alignment.

Big Ten and SEC 24 teams each split into 2 12 team divisions arranged E/W. 11 game round Robin regular season with 1 rivalry game permitted. Division A #1 v Division B #2 and Division B #1 v Division A #2 for 4 NYE Bowl games to dictate promotion. Bottom team in each division auto relegated.

Thats 60 teams. Tier 3 is split into 8 regional divisions with 2:1 relationship to each of the 4 Tier 2 divisions where a 1 v 1 non NYE bowl matchup wins promotion. That's probably an additional 64-80 teams.

Remaining 120-136 ish teams sorted into direct 1:1 feeder tiers to tier 3 divisions for a direct 1 up 1 down auto promotion/relegation. You could do 2 or 3 more tiers depending how much crossover play you want. But they play in smaller divisions with truncated division schedule with cross league and cross division games rounding out regular season play.

Top half teams not eligible for promotion bowl game can play exhibition bowl games - those are unaffiliated play, but permitted.

TV contracts revenue shsre and NIL salary caps move up/down commiserate with each league annually. Bottom 2-4 tiers will basically be scholarship only levels and eventually players/teams will seemlessly move from basically amateur play to pro in Premier.

Call me nuts, but it would be a very compelling college landscape. And Big Ten and SEC can't just continue to canabilize like they have been. Eventually they canabilize too much and become too big and need to chart new path which may be full separation, but maybe if we're lucky is releation/promotion. Historical conferences for all sports but football return to normalcy.
I don't like the current environment and the inevitable changes to come either and the entire tradition of the sport is being erased, but the reality is that the Big Ten and SEC have complete control of the future of this sport. They aren't giving it up or sharing it with anyone. Oregon and Texas snuck into the free world just before the Berlin Wall was constructed.

Miami, Clemson, and FSU, ASU, and Colorado (plus VT, GT, UNC, etc) are programs that got stuck in East Berlin but are desperately searching for the tiny crack to get to the free world.

Even ND will be squeezed at some point this decade to pick one of the big 2 leagues to join. Vanderbilt and Northwestern are lucky to be on the right side of this, but the reality is the 40-48 programs that end up getting Golden Tickets to the Big Two aren't going to consider knocking down the Berlin Wall. They are going to build it higher to keep Kansas State, Iowa State, and Wake Forest from diluting their revenue pool. They may even try to throw Rutgers and some others back over the wall.

It is bad for the game, but it is the sad reality of where this is headed. And programs won't like it when blue bloods end up regularly finishing around .500 because the leagues have too many "name brands." Oklahoma was Oklahoma and Nebraska was Nebraska back in the day because there were a few good teams in each league and the rest was cannon fodder. In the new environment, all of the brand names will be concentrated into two leagues so each league will have 16-20 brand names and only 4-8 teams as cannon fodder.

That's too many losses to go around to keep all the blue bloods recognized as true blue bloods. It is going to get real interesting as brands start to lose their mystique while simultaneously closing the door on any chance for additional cannon fodder to enter one of the prized big two leagues.
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Especially in the suburbs of Chicago where the public schools often score higher than the private schools.

Often times public schools have significantly more supports (such as math labs, writing labs, IA's, support classes) and broader range of classes (such as more AP classes and Dual credit classes). Not sure why you feel the need to tear down public education on a forum designed to talk about athletics.
[No issue with your post whatsoever and no dog in the fight in this particular exchange]

But hijacking a few very valid points made here as it relates to my prior comments on "culture", "recruiting", "getting" players, etc. If you are going to convince me to pay money to go to a school with potentially worse facilities, infrastructure, and academic outcomes and options, and I'm not making my decision based on religion... there had better be a compelling reason for me to do so.

And for many football players, the culture, focus, and emphasis on quality coaching and football success is that reason. And it is a flywheel that attracts other football players. It is a "muscle" that has been developed by the Catholic schools that are currently thriving, and one that has atrophied at those that are not. For some who feel it is unfair, they will say the school went out and "got" a player. For others, it's a concerted institutional effort to overcome the disadvantages quoted above and still succeed, by creating a "quality" in their program that is difficult to replicate when the rest of the school is not necessarily aligned.

Whether or not it is a "good" thing is up for debate. A regular student might have a much richer experience at Glenbrook South than Notre Dame.

And just to reiterate, I take no issue with your post and agree that neither public or private education is inherently superior, both are necessary, and an individual choice is totally situational.

NIU to the Mountain West

Granted, my promotion/relegation experience is 100% from watching 'Welcome to Wrexham', and following the team a little, but it would be an awesome concept for fans.

Just for fun, let's say the levels were by conference
SEC
Big10
Big12
ACC
etc, etc

Imagine the drama knowing that Auburn had to beat Alabama two weeks ago to avoid being relegated to the Big10.
Based on standings: Auburn, Kentucky, and MS St would have dropped to the Big10, and Oregon, Indiana, and Penn St would be in the SEC next year.
In my idea of NCAA promotion relegation there is a premier league that is without conference affiliation, but is the promotion spot from a very broad "SEC" and "BigTen". So every school will eventually funnels through those affiliation which are broadly regional N/S. All other conference names for football become mere branding and licensing agreements.

Top 12 premier league. 11 game round Robin regular season with 1 non-league "rivalry" game permitted.

Top 4 playoff for championship.

Bottom 4 auto relegated and placed in either "Big Ten" or "SEC" first according to historical ties and second on N/S alignment.

Big Ten and SEC 24 teams each split into 2 12 team divisions arranged E/W. 11 game round Robin regular season with 1 rivalry game permitted. Division A #1 v Division B #2 and Division B #1 v Division A #2 for 4 NYE Bowl games to dictate promotion. Bottom team in each division auto relegated.

Thats 60 teams. Tier 3 is split into 8 regional divisions with 2:1 relationship to each of the 4 Tier 2 divisions where a 1 v 1 non NYE bowl matchup wins promotion. That's probably an additional 64-80 teams.

Remaining 120-136 ish teams sorted into direct 1:1 feeder tiers to tier 3 divisions for a direct 1 up 1 down auto promotion/relegation. You could do 2 or 3 more tiers depending how much crossover play you want. But they play in smaller divisions with truncated division schedule with cross league and cross division games rounding out regular season play.

Top half teams not eligible for promotion bowl game can play exhibition bowl games - those are unaffiliated play, but permitted.

TV contracts revenue shsre and NIL salary caps move up/down commiserate with each league annually. Bottom 2-4 tiers will basically be scholarship only levels and eventually players/teams will seemlessly move from basically amateur play to pro in Premier.

Call me nuts, but it would be a very compelling college landscape. And Big Ten and SEC can't just continue to canabilize like they have been. Eventually they canabilize too much and become too big and need to chart new path which may be full separation, but maybe if we're lucky is releation/promotion. Historical conferences for all sports but football return to normalcy.

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Amen.

16 years of Catholic education here from 1st grade through college. 16 years each for two of my kids and 12 for one of them who we failed to stop from going over to the dark side in college. Two of them went on to get their masters from private institutions (one of them faith based). As much as I like to imagine what I could have done with all that tuition money and had my kids belly up to the public education trough instead, it's the best investment we ever made.

A long time ago either here or on the old Tribune message board, back when I was even feistier than I am now, I posted something along the following lines: The dislike and distrust that public school apologists have for private schools run way deeper than just athletics. Could it be that many public school apologists dislike private schools so much because they suffer from an inferiority complex? Could they be lashing out at private schools because that's how they subconsciously cope with whatever nagging doubt they might feel that either they or their parents didn't value their or their kids' education enough to pay extra for it? It's sort of along the lines of public school families asking themselves, "What do private school families know that we don't such that they are willing to sacrifice and pay extra for schooling and we aren't? What does that say about me as a parent who proudly wants to give my kids the best of everything? Am I shortchanging my kids?" I imagine this is how the neighbors feel about the Joneses with whom they cannot keep up. Is it a money thing? With some public school families, I think it very well could be. It could also be tradition, distrust of the unknown, and an aversion to any type of organized religion or some combination of the four things.

Are the above assumptions? You betcha. I contend, however, that if they really get under public school folks' skin and stick in their craw, then perhaps there is more than just a grain of truth to them.
This is a wildly inappropriate response on so many levels. First of all, you admit right away that you and your kids went to 16 years of private schools. Which is great. But that means you have literally zero experience with public schools. So it almost invalidates the rest of your points by trying to act like you have insight into public school parents.

Then you go on to completely make up unfound opinions about public school parents. I can assure you that no public school parents are having nagging thoughts about not valuing their kids education because they did not pay a private tuition. Especially in the suburbs of Chicago where the public schools often score higher than the private schools.

You accuse public school supporters as having an "inferiority complex", as "lashing out", as needing to "cope", or as having an "aversion to any type of organized religion". Literally no poster on this site has ever given an inkling to any of the above. I can assure that there are many families, both well off and not well off, that are extremely happy with their choice of school and their kids are getting a phenomenal education and they do not have pay tuition. We are lucky and privileged to live in an area where our public schools offer great educational experiences. Once again you created a straw man argument to justify YOUR anger and resentment toward public schools.

I too can make broad generalizations and make claims with little to no evidence. In the beginning you said " I like to imagine what I could have done with all the tuition money if I had my kids belly up and go to the public education trough" and that makes me wonder is it in fact YOUR resentment and your nagging thoughts that maybe instead of paying thousands of dollars for the same education as a public school do you feel that you did not value your kid's childhood enough to give them more experiences? Now I'm not actually accusing you of this because it would be unfair to you and it would even more unfair to generalize and accuse large swaths of private education parents of this as well.

Also why do you feel the need to insult the public education by using terms like "belly up to the public education trough"? Do you actually feel superior to the public education clientele? If it is a money thing as you mentioned, does it make you feel good to insult the education? Often times public schools have significantly more supports (such as math labs, writing labs, IA's, support classes) and broader range of classes (such as more AP classes and Dual credit classes). Not sure why you feel the need to tear down public education on a forum designed to talk about athletics.

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Who?

Even New Trier, probably the most well funded public high school in the state (if not the country) needs to go to booster club for very basic football supplies.
Head Coach Salary, asst coaches salary(var, soph/jv, frosh) equipment(Helmets, that need to get reconditioned, field maintenance, jerseys practice and game day. I can keep going.

Player of the Year candidates?

McPherson of Loyola - He was the difference of getting to the top of the 8A. Nobody could stop him.
Agreed. Has to go to MacPherson. Was far and away the most dominant performer on 8A State Champ. He was the difference in all of LA's tight wins down the stretch. Did it all. Out of the backfield-carrying the ball, catching it or blocking. Split out-catching it or drawing double teams. And being asked to play in the defensive backfield to neutralize opponents best threat. Kid was a load. 4 year varsity player at Loyola...how many of those have there been in the recent era?

Has to be MacPherson.

New: Illinois State Early Signing Day Class of 2025 Review

Illinois State Class of 2025 Early Signing Day Class

My Take: In State Review from the Illinois State Early Class of 2025

Illinois State and veteran head coach Brock Spack is coming off a strong 2024 season as the Redbirds made the FCS playoffs and lost in Round 2 to Cal Davis and edned the season as a 10-4 record. Illinois State remains on a roll in more than a few areas...the Illinois State enrollment numbers continue to rise and remains one of a few in state colleges to see steady increased enrollment numbers. Illinois State also is relatively close to home for most of the state and it's centrally located campus, renovated facilities including a new indoor practice facility givesd the Redbirds a distinct advantage over it's Missouri Valley Conference in state rivals.


Illinois State Class of 2025 In State Early Signing Class

Rico Clay | DB | 6-3 | 190 | Quincy, Illinois (Quincy HS)
Mar'Quan Gary | WR | 6-0 | 170 | Bloomington, Illinois (Normal Community HS)
Chase Kwiatkowski | QB | 6-2 | 205 | Dyer, Indiana (St. Laurence HS)
Tyler Lofton | RB | 5-10 | 200 | Crete, Illinois (Brother Rice HS)
Cooper Monk | OL | 6-6 | 260 | Manteno, Illinois (Manteno HS)
Wyatt Mueller | DB | 6-2 | 195 | Quincy, Illinois (Quincy Notre Dame HS)
Luke Olson | WR | 6-3 | 205 | Chicago, Illinois (Notre Dame College Prep)
Travis Stamm | WR | 6-2 | 170 | Willow Springs, Illinois (Lyons Township HS)


Illinois State Class of 2025 Walk Ons

Stevan Gavric | WR | 6-3 | 180 | Libertyville, Illinois (Libertyville HS)
Brady Goken | TE | 6-3 | 220 | Wheaton, Illinois (Wheaton Warrenville South HS)
Casey Roney | K | 5-11 | 170 | West Aurora HS

Which In State name has the best chance of becoming an impact player?

Lyons Township WR Travis Stamm is a very strong player who was a two way starter for the Lions at both receiver and safety. Stamm has impressive sixe and length, he will continue to add more good weight and size at the next level. I can also see Stamm getting looks and a shot on either side of the football if needed. Stamm has good speed and hands and plays with both a bit of a chip along with just enough swagger you want to see in a higher level athlete.

Quincy Notre Dame ATH Wyatt Mueeller had a highly productive high school career playing several positions for the Raiders including quarterback, receiver, linebacker and safety. Mueller is another name that can become a versatile piece gor the Redbirds capable of playing a handful of positions down the line. Mueller is another good sized athlete who still has more room to grow and develop over the next year or two for Illinois State.

Sleeper In-State Name in the Class of 2024?

Niles Notre Dame WR Luke Olson is another nice story. Olson suffered a preseason injury which kept him out for nearly the entire 2023 junior season, but Olson this past spring snd summer opened up some eyes and started to wind up on several recruiting radar screens. Olson has really good size (6-foot-3, 205 pounds) who can also add morer good weight andf strength and could end up playing as a tight end for Illinois State as well. Olson has great hands, awareness and has the potential to develop into a really nice steal for the Redbirds in this class.

Quincy DB Rico Clay was a handful of key multi-year starter for the Blue Devils and it's state playoff teams. Clay, who also saw significant time as a receiver as well for Quincy and head coach Rick Little , Clay has good sixe and length at 6-foot-3, 180 pounds and has ther potential to play as either a big corner or even develop into more of a OLB/S down the line for Illinois State

The One Who Got Away?


Whether it's Oak Lawn Richards RB Myles Mitchell (NDSU commit) or a handful of names heading to Brookings South Dakota...Illinois State and really all of the State of Illinois and Midwest MVC programs remain in an all out war for landing State of Illinois kids with the Dakota schools. The Dakota schools (North Dakota/North Dakota State/South Dakota/South Dakota State) have a lot to offer including top notch facilities, cost of attendance stipends along with I'm sure to follow sooner rather than later NIL opportunities. The distance from home to the Dakotas still remains the State of Illinois biggest positive against the Dakota schools...but that advantage seems to be getting less and less each season.

Overall Grade on the Illinois State In State Class of 2024: B

I really like this class for ISU on a few different levels. From an overall in state number of signee's to the overall quality at several positions....Illinois State and head coach Brock Spack has continues to focus on development and in state names as its core and its the Redbirds action here speak volumes here in my opinion. Illinois State has been a sleeping giant for some time now and they should continue to remain competitive in the MVC. The biggest question I have here is how much longer with Brock Spack remain as the Redbirds coach before retiring? Also can this program with help from the past few recruiting classes take that huge next step and become a national title contender? It's very possible in my opinion.



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Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

Sac’em,

If that concrete was a solid base I’m good with that. The problem really is that the foundation is not on bedrock but rather quicksand because of the way the students get pushed through the system. Compound that push through the system with it occurring at a higher rate in the failing districts and it points to the core of my complaint. There is no accountability and competition brings accountability into the fold. I think ultimately we both want the kids to have better, you seem to think the current system is good while I feel it tends to be good only in some places and horrible in others, and that those others tend to be in places that can least afford deficiencies or kids falling through the cracks in the system. We probably are much closer to agreement then either of us think, so I’m asking you to look, see, acknowledge, and tell me how you correct the failures in the system.
I agree with most of the premise, however, I will say that there is some level of accountability. The problem is that the decision makers on the school board or in the district office hold the wrong people accountable. They often go after the teachers or building administrators for the results of the poor decisions made above them. The public needs to hold school board members more accountable. School board members need to hold district admin more accountable.

Correcting failures in the system does not involve a broad solution. Each individual entity (school district) must determine what issues impact them the most and work to solve those issues. No one has the perfect solution.

If I were to start researching potential solutions for improving academic outcomes in a school district, these are the areas I would focus on, along with additional supporting facts that highlight their importance:
1. Address Educational Funding Inequities
Ensure underfunded school districts receive adequate resources to meet the needs of their students.
In Illinois, districts serving the highest percentages of low-income students receive approximately 22% less state and local funding per student than wealthier districts, according to the Education Law Center.
Many schools operate in unsafe, hazardous conditions with little to no support for effective learning. Funding reforms are critical to create safe, well-equipped environments where students can thrive.

2. Prioritize Teacher Support
Offer competitive salaries and benefits to attract and retain high-quality educators, reducing the risk of teacher shortages.
The Learning Policy Institute reports that districts with higher teacher salaries experience lower turnover rates and attract more qualified applicants, directly improving student outcomes.
Lower student-to-teacher ratios in struggling districts to improve individualized attention.
Shift the narrative to stop blaming public schools and teachers for broader societal issues they cannot control.

3. Focus on Future-Ready Education: CTE and STEM
Eliminate over-reliance on rote memorization and emphasize critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, STEM jobs are expected to grow by 8% from 2019 to 2029, faster than non-STEM jobs, with median wages nearly double the national average.
Expand Career and Technical Education (CTE) and STEM programs to prepare students for evolving industries and global competitiveness.

4. Revamp Early Childhood Education
Adopt models inspired by Asian countries emphasizing discipline, routine, teamwork, and play-based learning in Pre-K through 1st grade.
Countries like Japan and South Korea have some of the highest literacy and math proficiency rates globally, attributed to early emphasis on discipline, structure, and collaborative learning.
Promote multilingual development in the early years.
Encourage self-sustaining classrooms where children take on responsibilities such as helping with daily activities, meal preparation, and cleanup.

5. Invest in Community and Parental Engagement
Foster partnerships between schools, families, and the community to support student success.
Research from the Harvard Family Research Project shows that students with engaged parents are 2.6 times more likely to graduate from high school and attend college.
Create programs that encourage parents to take an active role in their child’s education and school activities.

6. Reform Disciplinary Policies
Revise outdated and ineffective disciplinary practices to focus on restorative approaches that foster accountability and growth rather than punitive, menial consequences.
Schools that implement restorative justice practices have seen a 44% reduction in suspension rates, improving student behavior and school climate.

7. Increase Accountability for Truancy
Implement strategies to hold parents accountable for ensuring regular attendance while addressing underlying barriers to student engagement.
Chronic absenteeism affects nearly 8 million U.S. students annually, with long-term effects on academic achievement and graduation rates. Parent accountability programs in some states have reduced truancy rates by as much as 25%.

8. Reinforce the Value of Public Education
Help society recognize that the U.S. public education system has been a cornerstone of the nation’s rise to global prominence. It has fostered widespread literacy, innovation, and economic growth, creating a workforce and citizenry capable of sustaining democracy and global leadership.
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Totally disagree. You have to set a culture and kids still need to follow and believe. Not any coach can win a state title.
^^^
He’s a guy that doesn’t get it. Not hard to plug and play D1 kids on your team. The majority of HS coaches could have won a state title with his roster
^^ this is nonsense. Bolingbrook is a great example.

NIU to the Mountain West

Granted, my promotion/relegation experience is 100% from watching 'Welcome to Wrexham', and following the team a little, but it would be an awesome concept for fans.

Just for fun, let's say the levels were by conference
SEC
Big10
Big12
ACC
etc, etc

Imagine the drama knowing that Auburn had to beat Alabama two weeks ago to avoid being relegated to the Big10.
Based on standings: Auburn, Kentucky, and MS St would have dropped to the Big10, and Oregon, Indiana, and Penn St would be in the SEC next year.

NIU to the Mountain West

Will never be "done with this". In another year or two, the Big10 and SEC will pull a couple schools from other conferences, then the ACC/Big12 will react to fill gaps/expand/merge/??? and it will ripple effect down through all the smaller conferences.
The only way out of the spiral (or maybe the logical end result) is a relegation/promotion concept like Premier League.

To the extent it isn't already NCAA football will become a de factor pro minor league. The euro football model actually does this really elegantly to span from pro to the amateur level.
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Oh no, I thought we were done with this...if all the good Mountain West schools are leaving (which means all of the TV dollars will be leaving) then why do it?
Will never be "done with this". In another year or two, the Big10 and SEC will pull a couple schools from other conferences, then the ACC/Big12 will react to fill gaps/expand/merge/??? and it will ripple effect down through all the smaller conferences.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

So easily predicted when you're over the target. Obviously the current multiplier is working 🤣. If its a level playing field everyone wants then this is spot on. Limiting players to one side of the ball will make some players think twice about where they want to go. Face it the youth programs that the private schools are hand picking from are selling the scholarship route to the top tier players. If roster limits are known ahead of time, then some of those players will take their talents elsewhere. This is when OP rosters start to balance out.
LOL. "People think my idea is dumb, therefore I must be right!" is such a strange stance to take...
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