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Q of the Week: So who is the Preseason #1 ranked IHSA Football Team in Illinois?

DGN and Batavia are the odds on favorite in 7A. Possibly BR if they move back to 7A. SR has a punchers chance. I don't know who they return but Normal gave MC all they can handle and are always very good
Unfortunately 3 of the key pieces of the puzzle that made normals special are graduating
RB CT Taylor is heading to Western Illinois

QB Kyle Beaty will be going to North Central College
OLB Jase Lemar Wilson will be joining him there

5th Year

Ser Whitaker, Illini West, Class of 2011.

I don't know Ser, but I know Ser was fast. Still the fastest human I've ever seen in football pads in person. Not even kidding. I'd have paid decent money to see him play us 2nd time after the classic that was QND/Illini West in 2010 regular season. But he only go one chance, and he crushed our hearts on a 60+ yard play where the whole world though he was going down, and he just popped up and in a flash, he'd pulled off the biggest regular season upset in Carthage/Illini West history, downing the #1 team in 4A at the time.
Best game I think I ever saw (at least top 3) involved him making an incredible play to score a game tying 60+ yd TD on 4th and 20 something very late in the 4th quarter. That dude was faaaast.

Bears

Right. And the longer it takes for them to move into their new stadium (wherever it is built), the less of an early lease termination penalty they will have to pay.
If they are slow playing this because of the lease penalty forget it...don't bother, it will be a garbage stadium.
It is $84 million but I would expect they would try to negotiate it.

Talking 2025 Enrollment.....

It definitely aims to bump Catholic teams up a class or two... but you'll never see Althoff in 8A... You won't even see SHG in 8A with your theory. Your mindset seems to leave out the decent number of private schools in this state that don't have 1000 enrollment, or any private school outside of the Chicagoland bubble. And as unfortunate as it is that we down here have to abide by the same rules created for those up north, the least you could do is act like we exist... sheesh. 😁 😇
THERE'S FOOTBALL OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO?!?!?!?!
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Perhaps not from the Bears' perspective. The longer they can delay this, the less of a penalty they will have to pay to break their Soldier Field lease with the Chicago Park District. The amount of the penalty decreases as the years remaining on the lease decrease.

The current lease is set to expire in 2033. Hell, by the time the Bears finally break ground in AH, and assuming construction delays, it'll be damn close to 2033 when they can actually play their first game there.
Honestly, if the Bears were playing 4-D chess, I would be astonished. I feel like I would need to give some form of public apology.

Bears

Perhaps not from the Bears' perspective. The longer they can delay this, the less of a penalty they will have to pay to break their Soldier Field lease with the Chicago Park District. The amount of the penalty decreases as the years remaining on the lease decrease.

The current lease is set to expire in 2033. Hell, by the time the Bears finally break ground in AH, and assuming construction delays, it'll be damn close to 2033 when they can actually play their first game there.
I'm speaking only regarding construction costs. But yes, I am aware of the lease and the cost to break it.

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The cost of twiddling their thumbs and not starting 2 years ago is significant....
Perhaps not from the Bears' perspective. The longer they can delay this, the less of a penalty they will have to pay to break their Soldier Field lease with the Chicago Park District. The amount of the penalty decreases as the years remaining on the lease decrease.

The current lease is set to expire in 2033. Hell, by the time the Bears finally break ground in AH, and assuming construction delays, it'll be damn close to 2033 when they can actually play their first game there.

Q of the Week: So who is the Preseason #1 ranked IHSA Football Team in Illinois?

Mt Carmel has to be with 9 kids with Power 4 offers. Besides most of the starters from last year are returning. Most were underclassman that played strong against upperclassmen of other teams. The secondary is looking very good with the likes of Braden Jones, Joey Quinn, Caleb Tucker, Tavares Harrington and many more top prospects.
Get ready to see some great football!!!

IHSA March Meeting Three Significant Changes To Classification Policy

I don’t want them to do anything. I don’t like handouts. I am of the same Mindset as LA who petitioned to 8A when a handout was given. However much work it requires is fair for someone looking for a handout. Whatever work is required to receive a handout is justified. Keep in mind there is zero options for a public school that can’t a playoff game to drop down to a winnable classification.

For a non-boundaried school that hasn't won a playoff game in the last three years, or perhaps even ever, how can you consider actual enrollment classification a handout?

IHSA March Meeting Three Significant Changes To Classification Policy

Where are you getting 83 schools?

The language says non-boundaried schools, which technically includes CPS schools but CPS schools aren't multiplied

I gave you a link earlier in this thread to an IHSA page where you can find the pool of football schools that are eligible for the waiver. Here it is again: Pool of schools eligible for the waiver in football

Go to that page. Find the FB column. The green cells denote schools eligible to apply for a waiver of the multiplier. Count the green cells in the FB column. I counted 83, but didn't double check it.

You obviously need a primer on public schools in Chicago and how the multiplier impacts some of them because you are operating under some incorrect assumptions.

First of all, stop saying CPS schools. Not all public schools in Chicago are CPS. There are dozens of public charter schools that are part of their own networks and that fall outside of CPS budgeting and administration. This is why I have been calling them public schools in Chicago and not CPS.

Secondly, all Chicago public charter schools can draw kids from anywhere in the city. Those public charter schools are non-boundaried and they are, indeed, subject to the multiplier. MOST of those charter schools also happen to be waiver eligible due to a lack of a single playoff win in the last three years.

Lastly, SOME non-charter CPS schools are not neighborhood schools with defined enrollment areas, which is to say that they are non-boundaried AND subject to the multiplier. Schools like that are Simeon, Whitney Young, Westinghouse, Payton, Lane, Agricultural Science, etc. Most also happen to be waiver eligible.

Link below is a list of schools and where they stand in terms of multiplier waiver eligibility. Note that it says that with the waiver it does not guarantee a change in class. I chose a private and a non-boundary team as examples. St. Pat's last made the playoffs in 2021 and were in 5A. They are eligible for the waiver this year and should they make the playoffs they would still be 5A, so there's no point in them applying for the waiver. Chicago (Brooks) also last made the playoffs in 2021 and were 5A and would be 5A if they made the playoffs again this year.

Where are you seeing the actual classifications in football such that you are able to make these statements? The IHSA says that football classifications aren't determined until right before the playoffs. "Football is not included on this chart, since those classifications are only determined at the end of the regular season."

In football, there are some very rare occurrences of multiplied schools not getting bumped up to a higher class. Sometimes, in cases where a non-boundaried school has an actual enrollment that places them towards the upper end of the enrollment range of a classification, that school was bumped up TWO classes from their actual enrollment class. To my knowledge, the only football schools that have been subject to the 1.65 multiplier and did not get bumped up at least one class are the very smallest non-boundaried qualifiers in 1A and the non-boundaried qualifiers that found themselves in 8A by virtue of their actual enrollment. Those occurrences are true outliers.

That kills your argument that there would be 83 teams applying for a waiver. If a schools knows that no matter how the ball bounces that they would firmly be in a specific class should they make the playoffs then there's no point in them applying for the waiver.

Again, that happens once in a blue moon. My argument is more than substantially accurate.

The waiver deadline to petition up is September 1. I would not be surprised if the multiplier waiver deadline is the same.


Perhaps. Would have been nice if the IHSA had said up front when the waiver deadline would be.

Would also have been nice if the IHSA said who on its staff is voting on the waiver applications. Here is what the announcement says about that: "The IHSA staff will review each waiver request with the school name removed and vote to approve or deny. A simple majority vote will determine the result. The IHSA Board will review the staff votes and have the discretion to change them."

Looks like there is some sort of staff committee that will be created for this purpose. I'd like to know who is on it.

Not providing a deadline and not stating who is on that committee makes me wonder if the IHSA is flying by the seat of its pants on this one.

There are going to be multiple IHSA staff members reviewing all the applications and voting yea or nay on them. That, plus all the work from the applicant schools, plus the IHSA board review of the IHSA staff votes, creates a wasteful totality of work to determine something that actual regular season performance would substantially accomplish on its own. There will be years when NO waiver eligible schools qualify for the playoffs, yet the process is going to happen anyway. Can't be any more inefficient than that.
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