LTHSALUM76 said:

It's your opinion, but I will disagree. The guy has a career record of 160-98 and has won a SB. His career winning percentage is .620, which is 100 points better than Mike Ditka. Payton is tied for 20th place in all time wins. If the Broncos win 11 games in 2024 he will pass Paul Brown, Mike Holmgren, Pete Carroll, Tom Coughlin and Mike Shanahan and will only be one win behind Bill Parcells.

Of all the NFL head coaches who won at least 160 games, only Don Shula, George Halas, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Curly Lambeau, Mike Tomlin and Paul Brown have (had) higher winning percentages, while 12 others have lower winning percentages. Coaches are judged on a few things. And winning games is one of the things they are judged by. There are others who are and were better. But, I definitely wouldn't say Payton is overrated. He will get some HOF votes, for sure.

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Wassup13 said:

What year was the QB from Riverside Brookfield and they had that big game vs JCA. The placed was packed. What was the RB QBs name?

Also Prairie Ridge QB Samson Evans.

Donovan McNabb Mt Carmel.

Mike Tomczak.

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ClownBaby said:

A Tiger legend passed, truly a great guy if you had the chance to know him.

Phil breaking a tackle and scoring in OT against JCA allowing the Tigers to claim their first state title after falling to MC the previous two years is still the greatest play in WWS history.


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LTHSALUM76 said:

It's your opinion, but I will disagree. The guy has a career record of 160-98 and has won a SB. His career winning percentage is .620, which is 100 points better than Mike Ditka. Payton is tied for 20th place in all time wins. If the Broncos win 11 games in 2024 he will pass Paul Brown, Mike Holmgren, Pete Carroll, Tom Coughlin and Mike Shanahan and will only be one win behind Bill Parcells.

Of all the NFL head coaches who won at least 160 games, only Don Shula, George Halas, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Curly Lambeau, Mike Tomlin and Paul Brown have (had) higher winning percentages, while 12 others have lower winning percentages. Coaches are judged on a few things. And winning games is one of the things they are judged by. There are others who are and were better. But, I definitely wouldn't say Payton is overrated. He will get some HOF votes, for sure.

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stripes13 said:

I'm of the opinion that Sean Payton is one of the more overrated coaches in the league.

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DadCoachSports said:

Here are a few of the most recent classes. These names were obtained from the Rivals Illinois Top 30 Rankings. If a QBs name doesnt appear they were not ranked in the top 30 players (not QBs) of that class.

My vote is 2010 as best class in recent memory.

2006

Demetrius Jones – Morgan Park – Notre Dame

Isiah Williams – Vocational - Illinois

Alex Loukas – Deerfield – Stanford

Jared Funk – St Viator – Vanderbilt



2007

Teddy Schell – Barrington – Indiana



2008

John Wienke – Tuscola – Iowa



2009

Jon Budmayr – Woodstock Marian – Wisconsin

Evan Watkins – Glenbard North – Northwestern

Darren Jones – Thornton – New Mexico

Charlie Goro – Maine South – Vanderbilt

AJ Hill – DuQuoin – NIU

**Jordan Lynch – Mt Carmel – NIU (Not in Illinois Top 30)



2010

Taylor Graham – Wheaton North – Ohio State

Chandler Whitmer – Downers Grove South – Illinois

Sean Robinson – Rochester – Purdue

Tommy Rees – Lake Forest – Notre Dave

Miles Osei – Prospect – Illinois



2011

Reilly Otoole – Wheaton South – Illinois

Adam Pittser – Richmond-Burton – Wyoming



2012

Wes Lunt – Rochester – Oklahoma State

Robert Gregory – Simeon – Purdue

Lamontiez Ivy – ESTL – Jackson State

Anthony Maddie – Aurora Christian – Wetern Michigan



2013

Aaron Bailey – Bolingbrook – Illinois

Matt Alviti – Maine South – Northwestern

Chris Streveler – Woodstock Marian – Minnesota



2014

Clayton Thorson – Wheaton Noth – Northwestern



2015

Demry Croft – Boylan – Minnesota

Jimmy Fitzgerald – Centennial – Illinois

Billy Bahl – Woodstock Marian – Miami-OH

2016

Matt Little – Evanston – W Michigan

Steven Frank _ Oswego – Florida Atl



2017

Chris Katrenick – Jacobs – Duke

Camerson Thomas – Heights Marian – Illinois



2018

Quincy Patterson – Solorio – Viginia Tech

Ben Bryant – Lyons – Cincinatti

Coran Taylor – Peoria – Illinois



2019

Payton Thorne – Naperville Central – Michigan State



2020

NA



2021

Tyler Macon – ESTL – Missouri

Athan Kaliamanis – Antioch – Minnesota

Justin Lynch – Mt Carmel – Temple

**JJ McCarthy – IMG - Michigan



2022

Dontell Jackson Jr – Marist – Coastal Carolina

Kden Cobb – Fenwick – Ball State



2023

Aidan Gray – Naperville North – Northwestern

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EdgyTim said:

It's a good question and from a recruiting standpoint most years here have been ehhhh at best. I'll do some digging and come up with one soon but this class (2025) and the next (2026) are very promising.

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ramblinman said:

Thanks.

The press release goes on to say, "The Bears have pledged to contribute more than $2 billion to the project—over 70% of the total stadium cost. The remaining stadium funds are proposed to come from the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority (ISFA), a government entity that was created by the Illinois General Assembly in 1987 for the purpose of constructing and renovating sports stadiums for professional teams in the state of Illinois."

If the Bears are going to foot the bill for "over 70% of the total stadium cost," why would they not want at least 70% ownership of the stadium? Are they basically gifting their "share" of the stadium to the ISFA? I fail to see the business sense here. What am I missing?

Plus, doesn't the Park District own the land on which the stadium will be built? So then they will lease or sell the land to the eventual owner? Perhaps the overall project cost includes purchase of the land (assuming the Park District is a willing seller). Lots of questions.

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SiuCubFan8 said:

The Burnham Park Project includes a new publicly-owned multipurpose replacement stadium located just south of Soldier Field that's part of a singular year-round hub centered on park-based culture and recreation.

https://www.chicagobears.com/news/bears-release-plans-for-stadium-project-in-chicago

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Wassup13 said:

I actually see this being debated in many places on the internet so let's talk about it.

Here is the QB class from 2021. #1 Trevor Lawrence (decent) #2 Zach Wilson (bust so far) #3 Trey Lance (on his 2nd team) #11 Justin Fields (on 2nd team) #15 Mac Jones (on 2nd team).

Will the QB class from 2024 be better than the 2021 class? The 2024 class would be those QBs drafted in the first round.

What's your prediction?

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ramblinman said:

Can you please cite a source for where they have said that? I don't doubt you, but I want to see it in context. I don't understand why they would spend $2 billion of their own money on a stadium and not want ownership of it.

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Snetsrak61 said:

The issue, at least from a legal stake isn't strictly the green space. It's public v private ownership. They've said it's publically owned, but that sure seems in name only.

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rocketnation said:

I will admit to backing into the year I chose: 2011. I wasn't going to have a list that didn't include Wes Lunt, who led Rochester to their first two state titles and had the best combination of arm strength and accuracy I've seen at the high school level. Had Wes been better protected in college and had a bit more mobility, I'm convinced he would've played in the NFL. After an injury filled college career, he still showed enough ability to have a tryout with the Minnesota Vikings.

4 of the 5 on this list won state titles in 2011 from Class 3A up to 8A. All went on to play in college.

Wes Lunt, Rochester. Missed 4 games in 2011 with a broken foot and still threw for over 3,800 yards and 31 TD's. Had 506 yards passing and 3 TD's in the 4A state title game against Richmond Burton. Wes started in college at times for both Oklahoma State and Illinois.

John Rohde, Montini. Threw for over 3,000 yards and 42 TD's for the season. In the 5A title game against Joliet Catholic, Rohde had 587 yards passing and 7 TD's. He went on to play for St Xavier.

Aaron Bailey, Bolingbrook. Had nearly 2,000 yards rushing and over 1,000 yards passing with 40 total TD's in 2011. In the 8A state title game against Loyola, Bailey had 149 yards rushing and 140 yards passing with 2 rushing scores. Bailey went on to play at Illinois.

Anthony Maddie, Aurora Christian. Threw for almost 3,800 yards and ran for over a 1,000 with a staggering 69 total TD's. Had 5 total TD's in the 3A state championship. Played at Northern Illinois.

Brady Huber, Greenville. The only player to not be in a state title game. Greenville did reach the 3A semifinals in 2011. He threw for over 3,800 yards and 46 TD's on the season. Huber went on to play for Illinois College.

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4Afan said:

Mahomes also sat behind Alex Smith, not a HOFer.

Yes it depends on the player, but I think the vast majority of young QBs would greatly benefit from sitting and learning vs. being thrown in the mix right away.

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4Afan said:

Based on their college numbers, they absolutely would not have been behind JJ.

In this example, the closest example would be Lance. A QB on a successful team that relied heavily on the run.

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