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Just indicates that they were in the wrong class 🤷🏾‍♂️

ESL was the first to petition and have petitioned for over 16 years! News flash, 6a is a petition as ESL enrollment is 5A. How about yall quit ducking and answer the call to play!!!

Never mind, you responded when we mentioned Naz playing Cahokia.
Here is your strawman. Looks as though they were just two more posters chomping at the bit to take an unnecessary, unprovoked dig at Naz

Actual State Championship Games

Imagine if things played out this way

Out of the 8 games played, the IHSA got 2 classes correct

1A
Althoff Christian 43
Carrollton 21

2A
Chicago Christian 24
Tri Valley 14

3A
Montini 14
Byron 13

4A
Chicago DePaul 21
Coal City 14

5A - got this one right
Nazareth 29
Joliet 27

6A - Got this one right
ESL 48
Geneva 28

7A
MC 49
Normal 41


8A
Loyola 24
Marist 20
8a would have been Loyola v LWE (im assuming you are doing this by closest margin of victory during the playoffs?)

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

It’s gonna be a No from the conference on going to 7A or 8A . Was talking to an AD at a conference school will not mention name. So ESL will be 6A. So Naz will get their wish.
I shall be encouraging Rita to petition up to 7A again for another two years, especially if 6A stays at 1 - 32 seeding. Currently, she is 6A enrollment. Congrats to ESL on their awesome season this year!
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And Naz in 4a but yet both are being accused of not playing in their proper class because they cruise through the higher class already. The difference is Naz is forced to play above their means ESL chooses to. We can call that cowardly or heroic but at the end of the day both teams are playing up so the whole “you’re scared” argument is stupid. Naz is going to be forced to play 2 classes above their enrollment next year JCA closer to 3 classes above and yet they are scared because they didn’t do it voluntarily but ESL who is only playing 1 class above enrollment is the epitome of bravery for playing in a class one above their enrollment where they know they have an easy path coming out of the south every year in 6a. Why not stay down in 5a? That path was just as easy this year only a JCA team being forced to play up to worry about.
You need to direct your anger and frustrations elsewhere. 1, ESL didnt make the rules. ESL isnt forcing you to do anything. Email the IHSA if you are that bothered. 2, I haven't seen any of the ESL folks call Naz or JCA cowards. Thats a strawman. ESL has never played in 5a and they don't sit and cherry pick which class they play in based on who may fall where. You just sound like another angry poster who was chomping at the bit to take an unnecessary, unprovoked dig at ESL.
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What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

But Naz IS playing up as I have stated they are a 4a school playing in 5a for the playoffs and against higher classes in the regular season. I don’t think they are afraid of anyone. When they were punished for being successful and playing 3 classes above their true enrollment they took home a first place and second place trophy in back to back years and may have even added a 3rd of not for Covid. They also have a 6a first and second place trophy from when they were punished for being successful earlier and forced to play 2 classes above their true enrollment and they have 4 first place trophies in the class that they are being punished and forced to play in above their enrollment.

So a conference full of 8a schools won’t let a member team petition up to 7 or 8a? Seems crazy but hey if ESL wants a chance to play 2 smaller schools that will be playing significantly above their enrollment in JCA and Naz next year in an attempt to add another trophy Im here for it 🤷‍♂️
Let's start with facts. The original conference was all 7a with BE being the only exception of 8A. In recent years E'ville and O'fallon have gone between 7 and 8a. Heck in 2010 BE was 7A. So the conference put the rule in simply because the didn't want ESL to petition up in all sports. Basketball is 3A and the rest of the conference is 4A. Now that we got that out the way, as stated before. ESL has NO FEAR!

Naz enrollment is 300 kids less than ESL. The enrollment numbers for ESL is 65% girls which mean there are roughly 400 boys in the school. No matter what the numbers are, ESL is not going below 6A. See the difference.

Now to answer your statement, ESL asked to come up an play Naz for your week 2 opening that a you seemingly have every year. ESL even considered canceling the classic to do so. No response from Naz. This year the same email was sent but reference playing cahokia, Naz responded right away. Then after agreeing to play the game, the AD tried to backdoor and contact Cahokia to come up there. Again, a COWARD move.

In conclusion, I suggest you just enjoy your championship and keep ESL out of your little typing spree. The state knows ESL operates without fear of competition. Please don't compare Naz to ESL. The fact that you think 7A is a punishment says it all to me.
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What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, in the current system it happens.
This! And the fact that teams go 9-0 and get clocked in the first round on their home field is the counter to the argument that just because a 4-5 team dominated every playoff opponent and won state doesn’t mean they deserve to be in the playoffs because I feel just because the CPS schools win a couple forfeits and beat up each other to go 9-0 shouldn’t mean they should be #1 seed playoff teams robbing the 5-4 teams that will dominate from an extra home game

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

Just because they won State doesn’t mean they deserved to get in to the playoff. I agree with Corey that 4-5 teams shouldn’t be in the playoffs, but it seems like with football numbers where they are, and no chance at 6 classes, we may get some in moving forward. Naz won the title and had a great playoff run. Hats off to that team as well as this years Naz team.
If they are good enough to win a state title, I'm not sure what "deserve" means in this situation. Essentially you are saying the kids shouldn't be in the playoffs because their AD created an extremely difficult schedule. Winning state certainly would seem to prove they were one of the best teams in their class, and isn't getting the best teams in the playoffs the goal (imperfectly implemented, obviously)?

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They aren't. They are supposed to be in 5a.
And Naz in 4a but yet both are being accused of not playing in their proper class because they cruise through the higher class already. The difference is Naz is forced to play above their means ESL chooses to. We can call that cowardly or heroic but at the end of the day both teams are playing up so the whole “you’re scared” argument is stupid. Naz is going to be forced to play 2 classes above their enrollment next year JCA closer to 3 classes above and yet they are scared because they didn’t do it voluntarily but ESL who is only playing 1 class above enrollment is the epitome of bravery for playing in a class one above their enrollment where they know they have an easy path coming out of the south every year in 6a. Why not stay down in 5a? That path was just as easy this year only a JCA team being forced to play up to worry about.

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

Just because they won State doesn’t mean they deserved to get in to the playoff. I agree with Corey that 4-5 teams shouldn’t be in the playoffs, but it seems like with football numbers where they are, and no chance at 6 classes, we may get some in moving forward. Naz won the title and had a great playoff run. Hats off to that team as well as this years Naz team.
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, in the current system it happens.
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A possible Naz/ESL matchup in next year's 6A playoffs would be an excellent opportunity for you to sandbag. In fact, if ESL is anything close next year to what they were this year, I'm not sure I'd call it sandbagging. I don't see that potential matchup going well for your Roadrunners.
True we won’t have the 3 time champ QB and the Stanford Bound defensive nightmare. But I’ll take a Racki led staff in November any day

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

But Naz IS playing up as I have stated they are a 4a school playing in 5a for the playoffs and against higher classes in the regular season. I don’t think they are afraid of anyone. When they were punished for being successful and playing 3 classes above their true enrollment they took home a first place and second place trophy in back to back years and may have even added a 3rd of not for Covid. They also have a 6a first and second place trophy from when they were punished for being successful earlier and forced to play 2 classes above their true enrollment and they have 4 first place trophies in the class that they are being punished and forced to play in above their enrollment.

So a conference full of 8a schools won’t let a member team petition up to 7 or 8a? Seems crazy but hey if ESL wants a chance to play 2 smaller schools that will be playing significantly above their enrollment in JCA and Naz next year in an attempt to add another trophy Im here for it 🤷‍♂️
I can only assume from that post you are saying ESL is making up that the conference is holding them back from playing up higher than 6
A?
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Somebody’s big mad in Antioch…and it’s only Friday

The big question is do Marist and Rice petition up?
Does Rita petition up again?
Is SR not 7A when multiplied? You’re the 3rd or 4th person to mention them petitioning up. I thought they were 7A when multiplied and they should be multiplied the next 2 year cycle due to winning 3 playoff games over the last 2 years?
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What's the 411 on Chicago Christian?

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of Chicago Christian. In 57 years, we've had little football success over the years. We made the quarterfinals once in the playoffs in 2007 and then got whipped by Driscoll Catholic near the end of their 8 years of titles run. We get our football talent mostly from our two feeder schools, and one year it can be very minimal and every so often we get a great class or two. Almost never do good football players outside the two schools choose CCHS for its football program because those good players have Mt. Carmel, Brother Rice, Marist, Providence and St. Rita to choose from if they really want top echelon football private schools.

At one time 50 years ago we had enrollment around 750, now we are at 316. Been declining for years and are continually trying to reverse the decline. As other small private schools know, that is REALLY hard to do. 316 enrollment for a high school with years of declining enrollment is dangerous territory.

The change that propelled us this year was hiring a new coach CJ Cesario at the end of last year and then good assistant coaches. They installed a new competent offense and brought great coaching.

CCHS had a talented Senior class of 13 players this year. Nearly all of them attended one of our two feeder K-8 Christian schools and played together for years. In this way, we really were no different than several of the top 2a schools we played in the playoffs - Maroa-Forsyth, Farmington, & Tri-Valley. All their players are local and come from a centralized source.

We needed a coach to maximize that talent, effort and teamwork. We got one, and he did. We could see our team was different immediately during the first few games of the year - mentally and physically tough, and better tackling. But honestly I never expected or dreamed we would win a State title this year.

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

It is really a matter of safety in my opinion. Some of these 0-9 teams don't belong anywhere near a football field.
Here's a compromise solution. We expand field to 384 teams (48 per class). Each class split into 4 regions of 12 teams. Each region seeds 1-12 (similar process to basketball) and teams 1-4 get byes. More kids get playoff experience, teams don't miss playoffs because they played a difficult schedule, create some regional rivalries, and a likely more competitive final 4. Here is a hypothetical 8A bracket for this year (and yes, I like it because Evanston gets in 😆). Definitely still some mismatches in there, but I don't think any worse than current system 🤷‍♂️. Regional seeds based on Massey rating.

Chicago
8​
Taft (7-2)
1​
Marist (8-1)
9​
Stagg (3-6)
5​
St Ignatius (3-6)
12​
Curie (5-4)
4​
Glenbard West (4-5)
7​
Downers Grove-S (7-2)
10​
Lane (3-6)
2​
Lyons (9-0)
6​
Hinsdale (4-5)
11​
East Leyden (4-5)
3​
York (7-2)
North
8​
Glenbrook South (5-4)
1​
Loyola Acad (7-2)
9​
Stevenson (8-1)
5​
Warren Twp (5-4)
12​
Niles West (5-4)
4​
Palatine (8-1)
7​
Huntley (5-4)
10​
Evanston (3-6)
2​
Maine South (6-3)
6​
Fremd (8-1)
11​
New Trier (2-7)
3​
Barrington (7-2)
South
8​
Joliet West (5-4)
1​
Lincoln-Way East (9-0)
9​
Plainfield South (7-2)
5​
Sandburg (5-4)
12​
Bloom (3-5)
4​
Lockport Twp (4-5)
7​
Belleville-East (6-3)
10​
O'Fallon (2-7)
2​
Edwardsville (6-3)
6​
Minooka (7-2)
11​
Rich Cent (4-5)
3​
Homewood-Flossmoor (4-5)
West
8​
Bolingbrook (3-6)
1​
Naperville Cent (8-1)
9​
Waubonsie Val (5-4)
5​
Neuqua Val (2-7)
12​
Bartlett (4-5)
4​
Plainfield North (4-5)
7​
Aurora-West (9-0)
10​
South Elgin (6-3)
2​
Oswego (9-0)
6​
Oswego (East) (4-5)
11​
Lake Park (4-5)
3​
Naperville-North (7-2)

What did we learn this season!?!?!?!

Didn’t Naz win state last year with a 4-5 record?
Just because they won State doesn’t mean they deserved to get in to the playoff. I agree with Corey that 4-5 teams shouldn’t be in the playoffs, but it seems like with football numbers where they are, and no chance at 6 classes, we may get some in moving forward. Naz won the title and had a great playoff run. Hats off to that team as well as this years Naz team.
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Seems to me like more proof that ESL is not playing in the proper class 🤷‍♂️
A possible Naz/ESL matchup in next year's 6A playoffs would be an excellent opportunity for you to sandbag. In fact, if ESL is anything close next year to what they were this year, I'm not sure I'd call it sandbagging. I don't see that potential matchup going well for your Roadrunners.

Somebody’s big mad in Antioch…and it’s only Friday

I agree with the overall tenor of your post, but don't forget, the next two year cycle has schools like Rice and Marist not being multiplied and dropping down a class or two. They could just replace some of the private schools moving up a class.
The big question is do Marist and Rice petition up?
Does Rita petition up again?

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

It is terrible logic. Especially when you like to harp on how many kids are in the school. When in actuality less kids in the school = better chance to win for private schools. The better athletes are still there but now they get to compete against smaller schools who don't have the same talent base.

What a steaming crock of crap.

Is it also terrible logic to point out that, prior to last weekend, a private school had not won a 1A title in the previous 17 playoff years? Where was that better chance to win for private schools that you speak of during that time frame? It's not like there haven't been any private schools from larger urban markets in 1A during those years.

Why is it okay that public schools win 17 1A titles in a row but now you and public school apologists gnash your teeth and foam at the mouth when a private school finally wins one?
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