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Illinois State’s Coach Spack 👏👏

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LTHSALUM76 said:
It seems to me I have read over the years that the overwhelming choice on this board for the state championship games is ISU. I remember people saying they preferred ISU over U of I and the same was true when it was held in DeKalb. I would prefer ISU as well as it seems to be a more central location in the state. Plus, the stadium is great and it seems like a better atmosphere than the other two locations.

As far as the drive goes, I think a 2 hour drive isn't too much to ask. And what about the people who would have to travel much farther than 2 hours if the location was DeKalb? I just don't recall a bunch of people here complaining about driving to ISU.

One thing I do know. As men age they think about long drives in a different way. One of the considerations is: how long do I go and where do I get off when I have to go pee pee? LOL!!
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Wallys off of 55 in Pontiac. I think everyone stopped there to/from Bloomington. Ha.
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Illinois State’s Coach Spack 👏👏

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MC63 said:
Wow. Three cheap shots about my age in one afternoon from a guy who claims to be a professional writer.. Did you go to the library for "curmudgeon"? I haven't been called that on this board since yesterday -- one of the teenagers,

You really went ballistic over differences of opinion about the possible sites for high school football games. You must be something at a traffic stop.

What's the big deal? I never said anything disparaging about Urbana or Normal. I just do't know why the games need to be .so far from the population center. And yes, an extra 90 minutes after a full day of earlier driving is a big deal to a lot of people. Maybe not you, but that's your business.
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It seems to me I have read over the years that the overwhelming choice on this board for the state championship games is ISU. I remember people saying they preferred ISU over U of I and the same was true when it was held in DeKalb. I would prefer ISU as well as it seems to be a more central location in the state. Plus, the stadium is great and it seems like a better atmosphere than the other two locations.

As far as the drive goes, I think a 2 hour drive isn't too much to ask. And what about the people who would have to travel much farther than 2 hours if the location was DeKalb? I just don't recall a bunch of people here complaining about driving to ISU.

One thing I do know. As men age they think about long drives in a different way. One of the considerations is: how long do I go and where do I get off when I have to go pee pee? LOL!!
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Please don’t let this happen

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ramblinman said:
No, more like fans and school communities. You stated, "The 300-~800 (more likely up to about 5A) range here in IL is where most of the angst comes from" Who in that range is feeling that angst? The reason why I ask is because I believe their angst is unfounded, for reasons I have previously stated relative to 1A being owned by public schools for 17 of the past 18 years, Rochester owning 4A, etc. Obviously, it's public school apologists. But I truly feel that whining begets whining. I feel like people talk themselves into believing certain things not because of facts but because they have hopped aboard a bandwagon.



Then it must be true. :rolleyes:



I believe that too. Sorry if I haven't seen you say that here amid all the flurry of posts on the topic.
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I'm not certain who the individuals were or what schools they were affiliated with. I was reading all the replies to the IHSA facebook posts regarding the individual championship games. Not every person identified with particular schools and I didn't take the time to look up their profiles to see where they were all allegedly from. I just noticed that there seemed to be a lot more vitriol than in past years. From what I assume are casual fans. I'm not saying that all of the angst is founded. I'm just saying that it was present. If your desire is to separate and form the NIPL, the time seems right. The two sides are about as far apart as they've ever been.
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Evanston HC opening

GhostOfTheGhhost
wickerpark wildcat said:
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean exactly, but other than Maine South with GBS being a distant second, football is just not doing that well in recent years in CSL. Evanston has beat New Trier last 2 years, and NT is basically awesome at just about every varsity sport & has the best facilities in the state.

Evanston has been very good in many other sports, but football has not been a "hot" sport in most of the geography of the CSL. As I said above, for boys basketball is king at Evanston (probably true at NT, GBS, GBN as well). While that's not a ton of kids, there have been a handful of kids in last few years playing hoops (& not football) at Evanston that I'm 100% convinced have the makeup to be all-conference football players..... you add 3 or 4 all-conference types to a team and it could totally change the outcome. There's also another group of kids I know at Evanston who would be good players whose parents won't let them play because of fear of injury. I suspect that is more pronounced in the CSL than in other places 🤷‍♂
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Clearly, I'm not nearly as eloquent as I think I am... But, I was simply trying to say that the coaching point/fan criticism of CPL schools in pretty much all sports other than basketball is that CPL schools come out hot, then fall apart at the first sign of a problem. I've never heard that criticism levied against Evanston. I've heard from many people over the years that Evanston is a lot more similar to a CPS schools than other CSL schools concerning challenges with students and the challenges faced by the student population. I just thought it was interesting to hear the criticism of falling apart at the first sign of trouble levied at a school outside of CPS.
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Please don’t let this happen

HRCJR
doctor_d said:
I can get behind what is stated in the majority of this post. If you go back and revisit what you posted at 4:36AM it is quite a different tone. The CCL teams go where the IHSA sends them. The results are always based on the efforts on the field and in the weight room, etc…
It actually is a good story to see the rise of DePaul Prep. Clearly they are building something there. It just seemed like you were crowing and mocking the IHSA and more importantly, some of the opponents you defeated along the way. If I misinterpreted your post from this morning, then you have my apologies.
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I would love to see the enrollment map for DePaul. I have a feeling that 90% of the kids come from within 5 miles of the school
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doctor_d said:
I’ve said many times that I’m not looking for separation, but Texas is near the pinnacle of school ball and they are separated. I get to hear about it fairly often from one of my best childhood/high school friends, who now has lived in the Dallas area for the past 25 years as a teacher and formerly a football coach/now a ref. The only difference is that in Texas, the big public schools are considered better, but I haven’t done the research to find out if the small/medium size schools have much head to head to compare.
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Private schools by and large are equivalent CPS white level competition in Texas..
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New: Western Illinois Univeristy Class of 2025 Early Signing Day review

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Western Illinois University Class of 2025 In State Signing Class

Ryan McCombs (Offensive Linemen , 6-foot-5, 280, Jacksonville, Ill. / Jacksonville HS)
Cameron Nickel (Inside Linebacker, 6-2, 218. Metamora, Ill. /Metamora HS)
Joe Edwards (Inside Linebacker 6-2, 215, Downers Grove, Ill. / Downers Grove North HS)
Charlie Stec (Defensive End, 6-4, 225, Chicago, Ill. / Chicago Brother Rice HS)

Which In State name has the best chance of becoming an impact player for WIU?

Downers Grove North ILB Joe Edwards was a two way starter and impact player for the Trojans and head coach Joe Horeni over the past three seasons. Edwards, who is the younger brother of former DGN/Wisconsin and current Buffalo Bills OT David Edwards is college ready physically and will have a shot at earning early playing time in Macomb.

Sleeper In-State Name in the WIU Class of 2025?

Chicago Brother Rice DE Charlie Stec (6-foot-4, 225 pounds) was the senior leader for one of the best defensive lines in the CCL/ESCC in 2024. Stec, who has the frame and physical tools to get bigger and stronger could wind up playing either inside or outside for the Leathernecks and his versatility and high level of play will fit in well at WIU.

The One Who Got Away?

Western Illinois had an early offer out to several in state names and the Leathernecks at least made what I feel was much more of an effort here in this early class.

My Overall Grade on the WIU In State Class of 2024: C-

I like the names here for WIU in this early period and again this story is really not complete until the February signing period is concluded. From an in state perspective I would love to see more in-state high school names added here but give the Leathernecks and second year head coach Joe Davis and staff time to cook here and see if WIU can make some strong moves between now and February.
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Evanston HC opening

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MS4EVER said:
This is how the annual MS/Etown game has been for years. Evanston comes out hard. MS handles the early storm. We go up a few scores. They begin to argue and point fingers. Game over. They have plenty of good football players over there. The right system and they could be in the playoffs yearly. I’m sure it’s not that easy, but there is potential there.
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Actually you hit it on the head. They're their own worst enemies sometimes. If things don't go well they lose discipline, throw some cheap shots, etc. Hoffman Estates used to be famous for that( in 2014 against Palatine, Hoffman had first and goal at the 8 yard line. Then a couple of sacks and three unsportsmanlike conduct penalties made it fourth and goal from their own 25 yd line). Hoffman has changed in the last 5 years or so though, and success has followed.
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doctor_d said:
Specific individuals? I don’t know.
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No, more like fans and school communities. You stated, "The 300-~800 (more likely up to about 5A) range here in IL is where most of the angst comes from" Who in that range is feeling that angst? The reason why I ask is because I believe their angst is unfounded, for reasons I have previously stated relative to 1A being owned by public schools for 17 of the past 18 years, Rochester owning 4A, etc. Obviously, it's public school apologists. But I truly feel that whining begets whining. I feel like people talk themselves into believing certain things not because of facts but because they have hopped aboard a bandwagon.

doctor_d said:
I’ve just seen a lot of noise on social media about the topic.
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Then it must be true. :rolleyes:

doctor_d said:
I’ve said before that it mostly seems a knee jerk reaction to the recently completed season.
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I believe that too. Sorry if I haven't seen you say that here amid all the flurry of posts on the topic.
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GhostOfTheGhhost said:
This is the same observation most suburban schools make about CPL schools when they play in most sports. I've always dismissed those people that say Evanston is much closer to a neighborhood CPS school than a CSL school...Athletic Wise anyway. Maybe there is something to that thought?
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I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean exactly, but other than Maine South with GBS being a distant second, football is just not doing that well in recent years in CSL. Evanston has beat New Trier last 2 years, and NT is basically awesome at just about every varsity sport & has the best facilities in the state.

Evanston has been very good in many other sports, but football has not been a "hot" sport in most of the geography of the CSL. As I said above, for boys basketball is king at Evanston (probably true at NT, GBS, GBN as well). While that's not a ton of kids, there have been a handful of kids in last few years playing hoops (& not football) at Evanston that I'm 100% convinced have the makeup to be all-conference football players..... you add 3 or 4 all-conference types to a team and it could totally change the outcome. There's also another group of kids I know at Evanston who would be good players whose parents won't let them play because of fear of injury. I suspect that is more pronounced in the CSL than in other places 🤷‍♂️
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I do beleive Evanston has higher academic standards for their student athletes than most schools in terms of eligibilty. I am not sure if those have changed over the years but that could be a reason they dont get all the athletes out for football.

With that said and it has been said earlier rarely do you see a Private school coach go to a Public school and have the same success.

Burzawa at Evanston: 77-82 with 9 Playoff appearances in 17 years
Racki at Nazareth: 162-69 with 6 STATE TITLES in 20 years
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Evanston HC opening

GhostOfTheGhhost
MS4EVER said:
This is how the annual MS/Etown game has been for years. Evanston comes out hard. MS handles the early storm. We go up a few scores. They begin to argue and point fingers. Game over. They have plenty of good football players over there. The right system and they could be in the playoffs yearly. I’m sure it’s not that easy, but there is potential there.
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This is the same observation most suburban schools make about CPL schools when they play in most sports. I've always dismissed those people that say Evanston is much closer to a neighborhood CPS school than a CSL school...Athletic Wise anyway. Maybe there is something to that thought?
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Illinois State’s Coach Spack 👏👏

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Prep writer said:
Im sure 99 percent of the population is just fine with making the two hour trip down 55 to plan for a state title.

You’re a spoiled old man who whines about everything.

Got a news flash for ya, Ebenizer. This isn’t about you, as much as you want it to be.
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Hilarious!! 😃 😃 I wonder if his name is really Ebenezer. LOL
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