They've conquered Illinois now to go national...
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Bones,
The teams in Illinois are good but they are not Big5 good. While Pickerington is Div I this season in Ohio they are only a top 10ish Ohio team. I’d put Hoban, Mentor, St Igs, St Ed’s, Colerain, Xavier, and a few others ahead of Pickeringon for sure.
The teams in Illinois are good but they are not Big5 good. While Pickerington is Div I this season in Ohio they are only a top 10ish Ohio team. I’d put Hoban, Mentor, St Igs, St Ed’s, Colerain, Xavier, and a few others ahead of Pickeringon for sure.
I grew up in Ohio watching the old Cincy Moeller teams coached by Jerry Faust. HS FB in my home state is a religion. Canton McKinley plays in front of 25,000 every week. Massillon the same. It's on a different level. D1 in Ohio is one of the toughest to win as it is absolutely loaded with not only great talent but fantastic coaching.
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And that St. Ed's team was not your typical Ed's. They lost in the second round of the playoffs to Mentor, 21-13. Mentor lost in the D1 state title game to this Pick Central team 56-28.
I think NC would hang half a C note through the air on the Phillips D. They Didn’t cover a WR all night and weren’t even in the TV screen when the WRs caught the ball
Disagree. This Pick Central team is loaded. Colerain, Ed's, Iggy, and X are all a notch below them this year. Preseason most believe that Akron Hoban and PC are the two best in the state division be damned.
How far did NC go? jwar just posted that St. Eds is one of those programs that is on another level. So which is it? They're on another level or NC can compete?
I disagreed with what jwari said that they are a Top 10ish team in Ohio this year. They are one of the two best.
As a program they are indeed on another level. But the last few years they haven't been state title contenders. Central played a good game against them last year. I was there. The talent depth at Ed's won that game.
It I don’t think That’s totally fair - Sometimes it’s about matchups. you guys have a bad matchup with Phillips because you are run heavy correct? You play right into the strength of Phillips which is their run D and their love of stuffing the box and playing no safety over the top (not even a single high - crazy).
Teams that can pass would all be salivating and lining up to play Phillips in a non con game. NC should have begged them for a non con game instead of LWE. I would so so much rather WV play Phillips in week 4 than Edwardsville!
I lived there too in the late 90’s when Bears QB coach Dave Ragone was tearing it up with St Ignatius.
The DC is awful. His whole scheme is based overwhelming you physically. You get an OL that they can't just push around and a solid passing game and phillips is going to be in trouble. This strategy worked fine in 4A(unless they ran into Rochester), and worked fine in 5A, might run into some more trouble in 6A. Still can and probably should win because they are extremely talented but the defense is poorly schemed. Think they're maxed out in 6A, can't see them winning state in 7A or 8A with this DC. They can win games there but to run the table I can't see.
Also, how does Phillips not have a kicker? They need a QB and they go and take the QB from Hubbard, is there not a good kicker in the CPS that they can steal?
I was there too. NC looked physically outmatched, but hung in there and St Eds was VERY highly ranked in Ohio at the time (which doesnt necessarily mean anything), but after the Eds barn burner they had a barn burner with NN. I just dont buy the Ohio on a different level talk.
Hell, they said last year was Pick's 1st championship. If anything Pick isnt on the other schools levels.
Hopefully someone here still is able to see his posts tonight, can't wait to hear what the lion has to say tonight
ESL will play Massillon Oct 5.
Central played one hell of a game last year. They just got worn down in the 4th. As for Ed's....they are always highly ranked every year.
The depth of talent in coaching and on the field is what makes Ohio on a different level than IL. Look at the numbers of D1 recruits from each state every year and it's not even close OH v IL. OH has slipped a bit in recent years but it's still a talent rich state.
As for Pick....they are a relative newcomer to D1 powerhouse status in the state. They aren't near Iggy, Ed's, Moeller, St. X, Trotwood-Madison, Elder,, etc in history but right now they are better than all of those teams.
Washington or Jackson? I would assume Washington. At Eastside? If in Massillon you need to go just to see the way they support that team. Incredible. I guess when you play in Paul Brown Stadium it gives you a little something extra.
Great post. That’s what I don’t understand. The talent is there. They should be able to develop various coverage schemes instead of just going man coverage and putting 9 in the box. If they don’t implement at least a rudimentary multiple coverage scheme - they will never be able to compete for titles in 7A/8A let alone win any games on the national stage.
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I applaud you banging your chest in defense of our states football talent, however I think you’re delusional. Makes for a fun debate though
The previous year NC played Eds and still performed better than Phillips today despite NC being 4-5. Glenbard N (4-5) played an undefeated Centerville a few years back and lost by 5. I'm just not seeing this other level except when they play Phillips.
I'm not beating my chest, I'm looking at the scores to actual games. Of the ones Ive seen this Phillips is the only one that got out of hand.
But to say that IL = OH based on GBN or NC playing an Ohio team even (yet losing) is a bit myopic. The top IL can play with the top OH schools. It's just that there are far more very good teams in OH than there are in IL.
Agreed! Especially after I looked up what myopic meant... lol
Phillips isn’t even in the top 10 ten in IL. There are 10 teams in IL with a passing game developed enough that would carve up their “coverage” (and I use coverage in the loosest sense of the word).
Weird thing is that I’ve seen them in multiple coverages since that Rochester game a few years ago when they only played man and brought 8. As soon as I saw their man coverage today I knew they were done. Any oc were his salt can beat that if you can handle the speed up front.
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That’s because you don’t know anything about IL HS football
LWE, LA and MS. Whether you like it or not.
I'm not saying IL = OH. But to me when you say on a different level I think of what happened to Phillips. I pointed out instances where teams with poor records in IL went and played top Ohio teams and competed. So I am trying to understand this other level talk. How are we coming to this conclusion?
As of now I'd take Rochester over Phillips.
Whoops! Don’t know why that posted so many times. Must be the shakes from the weekend’s festivities. God damn you palatine street fest!
For sure Add HC, NC and Eds to that lis
I would put 1000 bucks on NC beating Phillips in a high scoring game with both teams at full strength (no injured players out). Think NC would throw for 450 yards plus and 6 TDs on Phillips unless they figure out how to get a DB in the same TV frame as the WRs
Do you honestly think LWE, MS, or Loyola would run Phillips over like they just got run over. Once again, if you say yes, I would RESPECTFULLy, disagree
The offense wasn't impressive after the 1st 3 possessions. PC couldnt stop the dive so it wasnt like they were doing anything new. I think there are plenty schools who could stop Phillips from scoring, and a good amount who could pass their way to a W over them.
Yes agreed. It looked like the Phillips Oline really struggled after about half way through the second quarter. It is very hot and humid in Ohio this time of year. Way more so than in Chicagoland. Think St Louis but more so!!
No one ever stated or implied that the forgoing teams would “run Phillips over.” Your words. You also stated that phillip’s was “arguably the best team in Illinois.” Seems as though most folks participating in this thread disagree with you. You are all over the road, my man,
