Genoa did a lot of run blitzing and actually stuffed Anderson a few times. It's mostly a guessing game. It seemed to motivate Anderson to run harder. It also opened up play action passes and qb keepers
Richmond Burton - 32 game win streak
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It works as long as you guess right and confuse the offensive line but a school like JCA is well coached and will adjust to it but it may take a few series.
I was looking at O'Leary's or Doyle's. Not familiar with the area or either places. Both looked like typical neighborhood bars, which is what im looking for.
That is really interesting. Thanks for adding that because the 3 man front never occurred to me. Does the fact we have an excellent QB and receivers make a difference? Does Jordan Anderson being at full strength make a difference? Please do not read this as sarcastic because as I reread it it could. It is not! I am interested in yours or anyone else's opinions.
If you follow JC at all you know the conventional defense is 8-9 in the box to quell the run. That was tried all year. 2-3 (50) yard bombs on play action fakes has forced teams to back up their LB thus once again opening up the punishing running behind the huge line.
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Just another thought for JC fans. Does anyone remember Voss getting sacked ever this year. For the life of me I can't remember one? He is quite adept at stepping up in the pocket and releasing or escaping a collapsing pocket to the right and then running or throwing. I know he has made some questionable throws under pressure ( like last weeks pick of him) but no sacks.
Yea it seems like Anderson is finally 100% healthy if not very close, no noticable limp against Genoa like he has been showing! Go hill
I agree. He looked like the pulled groin has finally healed. Did you notice not a lot of Iannatone (sp) last week? He looked a bit dinged up the week before. Did you see that? It could have been the Genoa game plan was to quell the running backs at all costs. Even if it meant wide open receivers. I don't think they truly appreciated the multiple abilities of Voss to run or to pass on a dime while scrambling.
If I was RB I would play Cover 3 on the back end, it’s tougher to throw over the top on. RB is going to give up points their goal has to be to force 10-12 play drives that shorten the game, if JCA is scoring in 3-4 plays the game is over.
I agree. They have to somehow make JCA drive the ball and hope that the Hilltoppers make some mistakes. Not likely, but that’s the best case scenario IMHO.
Interesting
So you think the score will be similar to the LA/Rochester game? If that’s the case doesn’t that make a good argument for what MC63 was saying about JCA playing up?
I think JCA wins this game decisively, yes. I’m not 100% sure what MC63 said in regards to JCA playing up to be completely honest. Do I think they should be playing in a higher class? Yes. However, they are playing in the class based on the IHSA criteria, which is enrollment, so it’s difficult to blame them.
Never the less, when a 4a team with a 32 game winning streak is given no chance, “something “ is wrong.
Corey
Seriously with all do respect. you just can't wait and see if this happens to be your best team since the 1970's and say let me play up just this once please. The system just doesn't work that way. Playing up to, let's pretend to 8a to see what a phenomenal game JC vs. LA (may) be if we didn't get killed. That has ramifications for next years team which may belong competitively where they are. I agree that it would be nirvanas if at seasons end everyone could decide what class they want to be. I just do not think that is realistic. Sincerely, with all respect to your opinion.
Hi Oddy. I totally see your point but please read my reply to Cory and share your thoughts.
Corey
Seriously with all do respect. you just can't wait and see if this happens to be your best team since the 1970's and say let me play up just this once please. The system just doesn't work that way. Playing up to, let's pretend to 8a to see what a phenomenal game JC vs. LA (may) be if we didn't get killed. That has ramifications for next years team which may belong competitively where they are. I agree that it would be nirvanas if at seasons end everyone could decide what class they want to be. I just do not think that is realistic. Sincerely, with all respect to your opinion.
I just don’t understand people who are saying they have no chance. I am expecting a good game. Now if it is a running clock, I will stand corrected. But I see a tight game.
Maybe us JC guys have a better picture of how competitive 4A is, are more worried about our team, see some warts that could be exploited, or just do good Lou Holtz impersonations.
of course, maybe JC is a generational wrecking ball this year that everyone else sees that we just aren’t seeing or appreciating right now.
I know JC is very good . But I know R-B will be a good test for JC and, if fortunate enough to pass that test, Rochester or SHG will be legit threats as well.
honestly, I feel like they will be tested real hard these next two weeks (if we even get to the second week) and all of their opponents in 4A are more formidable than anything they would see in 5A.
Agreed. I see it as you do as well. I fully expect R-B to move the ball and put up points. The big question in my mind is how well the R-B defense will contain the JCA offense, which has only been held under 40 one time this year. I'm thinking weather and field conditions could play a role as well.
R-B is very well coached and obviously knows how to win. I expect them to rise to the challenge as they've done in compiling a 32-game winning streak. Also, the Hilltoppers have shown a tendency to turn the ball over of late. If R-B can force a few turnovers and shorten the game with long drives, I can see them extending the streak to 33 games.
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I do believe that this is a generational team possibly. But we WILL be tested in the next 2 weeks.
If it is truly a generational team, you should not be tested in 4A.
I think you should get to request up for one-year slots. If you have that rare horse, run them in the Derby. If not, stay at Arlington and Fairmont Parks and compete there.
I think you should get to request up for one-year slots. If you have that rare horse, run them in the Derby. If not, stay at Arlington and Fairmont Parks and compete there.
Mike Noll gets very little recognition for his talent. In his coaching tenure he has turned around two programs and taken over a good RB program and taken it to the next level. His McHenry team was the Fox Valley champion nearly every year as coach there. Unfortunately he didn’t seem to take his teams as far in the playoffs as expected. IMHO his coaching talent in the last 20+ years has improved and allowed him to take his teams further. I have a lot of respect for his coaching talent.
if he were at a non-boundary school no telling how far he could take his teams.
I totally agree but unfortunately we don't make the rules. So to criticize seems insensitive to their situation. All i'm trying to say in a nice way is don't criticize them for non possible possibilities. That's all. Nothing more. Your analysis once again is correct, you are very knowledgeable. I contest that your solution does not match your analysis.
Oh and Crusader, the reason I say we could be tested is variables such as weather. If it is a driving sideways rain against Burton on Saturday, their 8-9 guys or 3 man front could beat us. I do not believe anyone left can beat us if the variables do not play a major factor such as weather, Jordon Anderson, or our QB going down.
Crusader, I just had another thought. Totally NOT BEING AN ASS OR A TROLL. But in your reasoning, with a 32 game win streak, why doesn't Burton offer to play up to 6-7 A. Obviously they are too good for their class. Please think before you just answer because I really feel I have stumbled on a valid point. First time in my life for everything I guess.
I'll say this, there are sure four dam good teams left in 4A. I have no criticism of JCA whatsoever, normally I root for the privates, but I also root for underdogs, so just this one time it's R-B!
Good for you. I was rooting for Warrenville the whole season after seeing their posters passion and belief in his team. BUT I sure do hope you are wrong buddy!
Sorry to say but this game will not be close, RB simply has not faced the same level of competition. JC will win by minimum of at least 3 TDs and would not surprise me if it was 34-0 at half
So I would never criticize a team as they don’t make these decisions. The school can petition to play up. See ESL & Loyola. In any case I like JCA and their fans it just seems to me if they had an opportunity to play up knowing they had a generational type team why not try to petition to play up? Just my opinion.
JCA by 21… and that’s being kind. This won’t be a another RB/JCA game… and that being a different RB.
JCA is @ another level this season.
JCA is @ another level this season.
I don’t disagree with the premise Corey. But I think the reality is a much more difficult decision being a two year commitment. If you are realistic about your own program and see a fantastic senior core one season and then a decent, solid group the following year (likely average to above average by your usual program standard) then what is the appropriate level to petition to? Challenge yourself in 7A or 8A this year to have absolutely zero chance of competing for a title the following year? Split the difference with 6A? Go up to 5A, which is likely weaker than 4A at the top anyway?
Given all the unknown variables, I think it is easiest just to go with the default class as set by the IHSA rather than guessing appropriate classes two years into the future.
I commend ESL and LA for petitioning up, I really do. That said. I believe that they are both a lot more stable and consistent as programs over the last decade. There are fewer fluctuations from year to year, which makes it easier to project future competitiveness level. This isn’t the JC of 2000 where you knew you were going to be among the 5 best teams in the entire state no matter what every year. That may be true this year, but the last time we can say that was true was maybe 2015 and really probably more like 2007.
If you are correct? That just reaffirms the reason to petition up. I mean we would like to see a good game as teams move towards a state championship. If that is not the case it would appear the team would be clearly playing on another level. It’s a shame because their is better competition in out state in higher classes. Again not to over emphasize ESL they petitioned up to play better competition and they were granted approval to play in 6A. I believe the saying goes if you want to be the best play the best. It’s hard to argue that 8A has the best competition and if you want to be considered the best you should play in the 8A playoffs. IMO. I say this because many feel JCA can play with teams in 8A myself included. If this is true they certainly can play with teams in 5, 6, 7A. All this said I wish JCA well because they are deserving I just wish we could of seen a JCA/ESL final.
I get it but how many championships has JCA won in the last 20 years? I really don’t know, but it stands to reason if they have been successful often and I feel they have been why wouldn’t they play tougher competition? I get it each year stands on it’s own and the kids want to win a state title but is that good for the rest of the 4A teams? Listen this isn’t my fight but I am just trying to see better competition between good teams knowing their is better competition in our state.
No I get it. The name JC is a blue chip name and I understand wanting to see it tangle with Loyola, Maine South, Brother Rice, Batavia, etc.
In the 9 years from 1999 to 2007 JC won 6 titles. In the 13 years since 2008 they have won one title, and that was a 5-4 team that was gritty but under talented.
JC is still a proud program and run very well. But these are not the days of “all comers every year” where we could expect to beat anyone in the state literally every year. This appears to be the first and only year in over a decade where we have that talent and swagger.
Let's be honest, a "generational team" for JCA is more impressive than someone claiming the same for RB, provisional new members to the club.
My wish was, because I know it's a two-year commitment, that it could be a one-season stand. Instead, you gotta run it back with your stars departed and current backups moving to the leading man-spot.
Why do that to the second, inferior class who could compete in their native class?
So we agree, yes, @Hofman?
My wish was, because I know it's a two-year commitment, that it could be a one-season stand. Instead, you gotta run it back with your stars departed and current backups moving to the leading man-spot.
Why do that to the second, inferior class who could compete in their native class?
So we agree, yes, @Hofman?
I really enjoyed todays discussion. You have very good points well backed up. It was fun Thanks crusader. You have a new ally!!
This will definitely be one of the plans, Phillips was scoring in 3-4 plays easy and when RB got the ball back they drained 7-8 minutes off that clock easy. RB is a good team not sure if they can beat JCA. I would go this weekend but I rather see ESL vs Crete
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