I was being sarcastic but I believe coach Z was sending a message with you just said.
Q of the Week: So what's the fix?
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It’s been speculation on a thread that he retires after his youngest son graduates. Weather that actually happens no one knows until he announces. Hope this helps
Over the MLK 3-day weekend invite the coaches of Althoff Catholic, Sacred-Heart, Loyola, Arcola, and the two different Mortons down to Bloomington and lock them in a conference room for the weekend. They can’t come out until the reach a consensus.
The quickest way to screw things up is to have school administrators thinking.
The quickest way to screw things up is to have school administrators thinking.
1-32 seeding accomplishes nothing in 1-5A where majority of the issues are. Separating them is the only way to get rid of the issue.
Hey, I'm all for separation. I'm the give me the NIPL guy. I know my reasons why I want to suck up to it, but I think yours may be off the mark.
The majority of the issues are in 1A-5A? Really?
Prior to two weekends ago, the 1A title was won by public schools the previous 17 straight times. During that streak, a private school made it to the title game just once where they were trounced 35-7 by the public school. Exactly what "issue" do you think you are getting rid of in 1A through separation? Is your issue with Althoff breaking the streak? The same Althoff that a public school beat by 20 in last year's 1A quarters? The same Althoff that failed to qualify for three straight playoffs not too long ago?
2A? Over the past ten 2A title games, there have been a total of 17 public school finalists that have won seven out of the ten titles. And your "issue" there is...???
In 4A, do you recall a public school by the name of Rochester? Remember when they dispatched your school in the 4A title game back in 2013 for their fourth out of what turned out to be five consecutive 4A titles? Did you not have an "issue" with that level of dominance? Rochester has won eight 4A titles and one 5A title since 2010. During that time, they have compiled a record of 17-5 against private schools and have beaten them in four title games (including a 5A game against St Rita, and a 4A title game against St. Laurence just last year). Looks more to me like the private schools should be the ones having an "issue" with Rochester.
I'm all ears about how you think separation would get rid of the awful, heinous "issues" facing public schools in those classes.
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It might help a little. But as long as seeding is objective W-L and PP, 1-32 necessarily going to do better. If you don't do subjective seeding or an objective way to truely weight SoS, it will be subject to a lot of random variance.
Like in 5A, the north had obviously been stronger than south, but the state finals matchups were all arguably featuring 1 v 2 in that year each of the past 3 (2023 is the one you can somewhat argue, IMO, but I think it ultimately was the two best still, despite the score margin not showing it).
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1-32 Seeding applied to 5A this year without fixing ranking methodology.
#1 Seed Quarter:
#1 Sycamore v #8 Prairie Ridge. Not bad at all! Matches to AP #2 and #8 (end of regular season rank)
#4 Seed Quarter
#4 Naz v either or #5 St. Francis, #12 Joliet Catholic (AP 1, 5, 3 respectively)
Oof- robbed of the best Championship game we had in 2024. A stacked quarter.
#2 Seed Quarter
#2 Rochelle (AP 7) v.... I don't even know. AP 9 or 10 Mahomet/Troy (who both lost Rd 1) or #23 SHG
With no disrespect intended to any of these teams, I don't see one that looks like a semi-finalist
#3 Seed Quarter
Probably #6 Peoria (AP 4) against either #3 Morgan Park (AP #6) or #11 Highland?
So we'd have gone from the best matchup being in the finals to the #4 Quarter or 1 v 4 Semi being the de-facto championship and a likely championship blowout.
Obviously this is just one example, but I'm not sure 1-32 blind seeding necessarily will consistently get the best matchups in Semis/State.
Now, if you could do subjective seeding, (even just the top 6-8), you could have gotten (using AP end of regular season ranks again) Naz/PR, Sycamore/Rochelle, JCA/MP and Peoria/St. Francis as the likely quarters. Leading to a likely Naz/St Francis and JCA/Sycamore semi and likely Naz/JCA finals. Pretty dang good! After 6 or 8 the AP ranks (or any committee type ranking) are probably no better anyways and not worth the effort. So AP/Committee rank 1-8, then seed W and PP like now for 9-32. But you really should fix the seeding metrics before talking 1-32.
Just for one other class: 3A. The de-facto championship of Byron-Montini that everyone wanted to see Thanksgiving: You do get it! But it's a #1 v #14 seed. So these Semi-Championship match-ups hang on by a thread if you can't introduce more subjective seeding metrics. A regular season win or loss here... a PP there, it cascades through the bracket. A subjective 1-8 seeding, while never perfect would probably do pretty well.
#1 Seed Quarter:
#1 Sycamore v #8 Prairie Ridge. Not bad at all! Matches to AP #2 and #8 (end of regular season rank)
#4 Seed Quarter
#4 Naz v either or #5 St. Francis, #12 Joliet Catholic (AP 1, 5, 3 respectively)
Oof- robbed of the best Championship game we had in 2024. A stacked quarter.
#2 Seed Quarter
#2 Rochelle (AP 7) v.... I don't even know. AP 9 or 10 Mahomet/Troy (who both lost Rd 1) or #23 SHG
With no disrespect intended to any of these teams, I don't see one that looks like a semi-finalist
#3 Seed Quarter
Probably #6 Peoria (AP 4) against either #3 Morgan Park (AP #6) or #11 Highland?
So we'd have gone from the best matchup being in the finals to the #4 Quarter or 1 v 4 Semi being the de-facto championship and a likely championship blowout.
Obviously this is just one example, but I'm not sure 1-32 blind seeding necessarily will consistently get the best matchups in Semis/State.
Now, if you could do subjective seeding, (even just the top 6-8), you could have gotten (using AP end of regular season ranks again) Naz/PR, Sycamore/Rochelle, JCA/MP and Peoria/St. Francis as the likely quarters. Leading to a likely Naz/St Francis and JCA/Sycamore semi and likely Naz/JCA finals. Pretty dang good! After 6 or 8 the AP ranks (or any committee type ranking) are probably no better anyways and not worth the effort. So AP/Committee rank 1-8, then seed W and PP like now for 9-32. But you really should fix the seeding metrics before talking 1-32.
Just for one other class: 3A. The de-facto championship of Byron-Montini that everyone wanted to see Thanksgiving: You do get it! But it's a #1 v #14 seed. So these Semi-Championship match-ups hang on by a thread if you can't introduce more subjective seeding metrics. A regular season win or loss here... a PP there, it cascades through the bracket. A subjective 1-8 seeding, while never perfect would probably do pretty well.
