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I don't care to look something like that up. I would prefer to say he hasn't delivered on expectations, so far. But, I won't go far enough to call him a fraud. When I think fraud as a HC, I think about guys like Buddy Ryan or Jerry Glanville. Although, Glanville did win a few playoff games.
Cool. I make a claim, you question me about the claim, I provide evidence, you don't care about it. Very cool
Right. I don't care about it because I don't happen to think Harbaugh is a fraud. So, we can disagree on your point. Next subject.
Next subject: in 24 hours since the game last night----not one single comment on a thread with 15k views. Congrats on collectively making a point that the team is currently irrelevant and as a segment of the fan base, we represent a segment with lost interest.
Moving on to a more curious observation. The Football Aftershow had a noticable absence last night. On it's own, seems insignificant. Insert today and I don't hear the same voice on radio with postgame analysis. Again, independently, a non point. Turn to twitter, no in game comments and really nothing to speak of in the 24 hours postgame either. Result of someone out of town for the holidays, quite probable.....is there possibly some behind the scenes work actually being done? I have no idea, but I can only hope that its more than a coincidence.
Moving on to a more curious observation. The Football Aftershow had a noticable absence last night. On it's own, seems insignificant. Insert today and I don't hear the same voice on radio with postgame analysis. Again, independently, a non point. Turn to twitter, no in game comments and really nothing to speak of in the 24 hours postgame either. Result of someone out of town for the holidays, quite probable.....is there possibly some behind the scenes work actually being done? I have no idea, but I can only hope that its more than a coincidence.
The Bears are a joke I’m honestly excited to see how badly they drop the ball on the new stadium. Everyone is expecting Jerry World but it will most likely be Solider Field Part 2 in the burbs.
I think I have made two posts involving the Bears since Thanksgiving week. That disgusting game against the Lions in Detroit was enough, I guess. But, I am an NFL fan so I follow the league. On Monday I watched the second half of the Raiders, Browns game. It was good. Some sloppy plays, but still good and it had a good finish.
When the Bears game came on, I watched maybe 5-10 minutes of it. It was such bad and boring football, I couldn't watch. I changed the channel to TCM where the movie, "We're No Angels" with Humphrey Bogart was playing. I enjoyed that much more. I looked at it this way. I knew what the ending of the Bears game and the movie would be. So, why not watch something more entertaining?
I have not picked the Bears to win a game since Detroit was here in September. I have been wrong only twice.
When the Bears game came on, I watched maybe 5-10 minutes of it. It was such bad and boring football, I couldn't watch. I changed the channel to TCM where the movie, "We're No Angels" with Humphrey Bogart was playing. I enjoyed that much more. I looked at it this way. I knew what the ending of the Bears game and the movie would be. So, why not watch something more entertaining?
I have not picked the Bears to win a game since Detroit was here in September. I have been wrong only twice.
I was wondering where Ilin Kreutz was too. I did a quick Internet search and didn’t see anything…
I don’t normally comment on the Bears games, but I do always come here to look for comments and observations. I was bummed nobody said anything. But I suppose what is there to say anymore?
Seeing as there's no 1st Rd pick in 2022, what is the real marginal difference in the 2nd and later rounds?
FYI: due to a new rule approved by the NFL, teams with no current HC can start interviewing candidates (I believe) this week (if not this week, then next). I assumed this meant you actually had to fire your HC, but I read yesterday that this also includes coaches who have been informed they won't be back next year.
So it's possible Nagy may have been told he's done after this season, the Bears start the process of hiring a new HC, and get to keep up the tradition - that they are oddly proud of apparently - not firing a HC before the conclusion of the regular season.
Of course, if there's one ownership that could screw this up, it's this one.
So it's possible Nagy may have been told he's done after this season, the Bears start the process of hiring a new HC, and get to keep up the tradition - that they are oddly proud of apparently - not firing a HC before the conclusion of the regular season.
Of course, if there's one ownership that could screw this up, it's this one.
So just for the record if they don’t fire the GM (Pace) along with Nagy it will all be for show and nothing will change. Really the ownership has to go but at the minimum both the GM and Coach need to be fired.
I seem to have forgotten (or maybe mentally blocked out) that fact. You are correct to say that the difference is marginal in round 2 and beyond.
Pace has proven he can choose poorly in any round from any position.
To be fair- his ability to trade draft capital is impeccable.
Pace has made some (note some) good 2nd and 3rd round picks (Kmet, Daniels, Whitehair, Jackson, Johnson, Montgomery). However his debacle with 1st rounders (White, Floyd and Trubinsky (less Roquan Smith - note jury is still out on Fields in my opinion) will always haunt him and his inability to master the free agent marketplace (without giving up the world) has sealed his fate with Nagy. Go get an actual super bowl winner - Pederson or someone who the fans can rally around like Caldwell, Zimmer (if let go) or Josh OC from New England.
You have justified my candor on Fields - to some relatives, I felt I was getting a load off my chest basically declaring him a bust. And the sober truth is that given expectations, coaching and supporting cast, Davis Mills of the Texans is the best QB of the 2021 draft.
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I posted this a while back but if you look back the last 7 or 8 years teams like the Steelers, Packers and Patriots who have won a lot had something like 20 more draft picks then the Bears. Rather then giving up picks to move up they tend to trade back and use more picks to try to hit the lottery and build depth on the team.
Very true. IMO, when you look at the state of the Bears, Pace has been much worse at his job than Nagy (and I'm not defending Nagy). The Bears are an old team, saddled with bad contracts and little draft capital to make the necessary picks for improvement. In general, trading multiple picks for a high pick is a bad move in the NFL. Free Agency is also fool's gold. It's another losing strategy. Even successful FA's like Khalil Mack are bad moves. The Bears got one elite year out of him. Now, at the back end of his career, he's constantly injured and nowhere near the player he once was, so he has been and will be very overpaid moving forward.
I would disagree with this. Mac Jones of the Patriots is having a better year than Mills.
Context - value per draft position and salary, plus no JMD/BB coaching, although HOU might have better skill players on the outside.
Who has a better QB rating? Who has thrown for more yards? Who has won more games? Who has a higher completion percentage? Who has thrown more TD passes? Who has a higher yards per pass thrown? Who has completed more passes? Who has a better percentage of TD passes thrown against interceptions?
The answer to all those questions is one guy. Mac Jones. He is having a better season than any QB from the 2021 draft, period. All the other stuff is nonsense. Who cares about value per draft position if the team isn't winning? You sound like the Bears brass. Get value for the position, but don't win games. I know what you're getting at and Mills has been somewhat of a surprise. He is doing much better than Fields. That's for sure. And that's where your argument makes perfect sense. And if Mills comes back next year and the Texans start winning, I will look at it differently.
NFL QBs are paid first to win. How much is a guy worth and what value does a guy bring who wins games? Ask the Chiefs. On the other hand, if a QB isn't getting the job done, anything he is being paid is too much. Mike Glennon of the Giants comes to mind. Sure all the individual stats matter and Jones' stats are better. No question. No one thought New England would even be in the playoff hunt this year and they are currently in the playoffs. I think Jones is a big reason they are where they are.
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I have the agree with everything you said. I wanted the Bears to pick Mac Jones and a lot of people thought he was going to be a bust. I went as far as to say he was the smartest QB in the draft and would have the best NFL career.
So fat it looks like I was correct. Jones is very Brady like and I felt he was going to come into the NFL with a chip on his shoulder. He didn’t receive enough credit for how he played at Alabama.,
I don’t disagree. None of the retread coaches are any good. Pederson made his name as Nagy’s OC. Sounds like what we just had. Pederson lucked into one magical season with a backup QB. At least Bill O’Brien had a bit of a sustained run with Texans. My preference is some young hot shot offense mind that actually has called plays. It is working well for Packers, Rams, 49ers, Cards and Bengals.
Wasn’t Nagy that guy when the Bears hired him?
I get what your saying but young and dumb is sometimes a reality.
Nagy didn’t have much freedom to really call plays in KC with Reid.
No chance Tomlin or Payton are available
Pederson led the Eagles to three playoffs seasons in a row w a super bowl. Wouldn’t call that luck.
I’d actually say he had bad luck with his starting QB never staying healthy.
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One thing that bothered me the past two season was there seemed to be too many cooks in the kitchen, and no chefs. I don't know if the next HC needs to necessarily be from either side of the ball; a good coach is a good coach regardless of their preferred side of the ball.
Here's an interesting thought I heard from....someone: maybe the problem with offensive minded HC is that they are too loyal to their own system, and not the players they have on the roster. Maybe if you have a defensive minded HC they're more inclined to build an offense around what they know has been successful against them.
Food for thought. I'm the Captain of the HMS Justin Fields, so I just want to see him spin.
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