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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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jha618 said:
I have never suggested using those computers models for anything beyond 8.

Its also much more than just one team. Loyola, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick, Brother Rice, Montini. WY, Lincoln Park. That's 7off the top of my head plus the 7 opponents they are matched up against.
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So use one system to rank the teams you like and then a different system for everyone else? Got it.
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Class 3A Quarterfinal: Wilmington @ Du-Pec

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LakeCtyNewt said:
Learn the name Cooper Hoffman

He is the schools all time leader in passing yards total yards and touchdowns. He’s top 3 all time in NUIC history in all three categories.

Very good small school quarterback that can beat you either on the ground or through the air.

If he played at a bigger school he would be an OPOY candidate
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Yeah I’ve seen some of them in action. I’m well aware of the QB.
He was their starter as a sophomore when they took on Reed-Custer a few years ago. He’s an outstanding player, and Du-Pec is a good team. It will definitely be a challenge.

I was more looking for info on the area food and drink establishments and the stadium/seating info.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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Cross Bones said:
Calpreps hasn't seen a single team play. Furthermore back when I used to look at calpreps I would find a number of inaccurate scores reported and sometimes even the wrong results--which would then get fed into their algorithm resulting in garbage out. Garbage in garbage out. But on top of all that the computer is the same thing as a human opinion, the biases are just cooked into the algorithm.

I do value objectivity over subjectivity when it comes to seeding. The NFL does as well. Why do you think the NFL doesn't use Calpreps to seed the playoffs?
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Well, that's a very silly question. The NFL has 32 teams and the talent is dispersed much more evenly throughout its 32 teams as opposed to hs football. Making it easier to accurately judge teams based solely on record. But, I feel like that answer was too obvious for you to not already know that.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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4Afan said:
None of those rankings know anything about Illinois high school football. Calpreps currently has 7 CPS schools in the top 32 for 5A and the AP is beyond useless and often times has teams in incorrect classes.

The system in place now rewards regular season success just as you are suggesting, you just don't like the way it went for one team so you think the entire system needs to be redone.
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I have never suggested using those computers models for anything beyond 8.

Its also much more than just one team. Loyola, Mt. Carmel, Fenwick, Brother Rice, Montini. WY, Lincoln Park. That's 7off the top of my head plus the 7 opponents they are matched up against.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

Cross Bones
jha618 said:
It's not solely my subjective opinion at all. Calpreps has LA and Marist as top 4 teams in 8a.

The bigger question for those that are disagreeing, and which keeps going unanswered, who believes there are 11 8a teams better than LA? Who believes there are 16 teams better than MC?
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Calpreps hasn't seen a single team play. Furthermore back when I used to look at calpreps I would find a number of inaccurate scores reported and sometimes even the wrong results--which would then get fed into their algorithm resulting in garbage out. Garbage in garbage out. But on top of all that the computer is the same thing as a human opinion, the biases are just cooked into the algorithm.

I do value objectivity over subjectivity when it comes to seeding. The NFL does as well. Why do you think the NFL doesn't use Calpreps to seed the playoffs?
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PowerI66 said:
I feel like there are way more this year than before. I also don't understand the 1A thru 4A games not being on Friday when that's what day they will play if they go to state.
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I guess you guys never consider travel requirements for a lot of teams during 5 weeks of playoffs. Not to mention the strain on their fanbases to make a game 250+ miles away on a Friday night.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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jha618 said:
Here we go again with you fixated on results of the games when that has literally ZERO to do with seeding. It's not even a consideration when seeding teams yet you feel like it's some sort of validation of your point. The fact you keep going back to that sort of proves you really don't understand the objective of seeding teams.

I have given multiple suggestions for a different seeding system. AP polls for top 4 or 8, then current system for the rest, composite rankings from massey/calpreps/maxpreps to determine seeds. Any combination of those would be better. There is no system outside of the current one that would be worse at correctly seeding teams.

You seem to favor objectivity over accuracy. I don't care how objective or transparent a formula is if it doesn't produce accurate results.
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None of those rankings know anything about Illinois high school football. Calpreps currently has 7 CPS schools in the top 32 for 5A and the AP is beyond useless and often times has teams in incorrect classes.

The system in place now rewards regular season success just as you are suggesting, you just don't like the way it went for one team so you think the entire system needs to be redone.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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4Afan said:
No one thinks there are 11 teams better than Loyola which is why no one is surprised they're still playing. For the millionth time stop focusing on the number in front of the team. With the current system if you want a higher ranking, win more games.

You have yet to provide another way of seeding the teams. Is your suggestion to just use Calpreps?
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Here we go again with you fixated on results of the games when that has literally ZERO to do with seeding. It's not even a consideration when seeding teams yet you feel like it's some sort of validation of your point. The fact you keep going back to that sort of proves you really don't understand the objective of seeding teams.

I have given multiple suggestions for a different seeding system. AP polls for top 4 or 8, then current system for the rest, composite rankings from massey/calpreps/maxpreps to determine seeds. Any combination of those would be better. There is no system outside of the current one that would be worse at correctly seeding teams.

You seem to favor objectivity over accuracy. I don't care how objective or transparent a formula is if it doesn't produce accurate results.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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jha618 said:
It's not solely my subjective opinion at all. Calpreps has LA and Marist as top 4 teams in 8a.

The bigger question for those that are disagreeing, and which keeps going unanswered, who believes there are 11 8a teams better than LA? Who believes there are 16 teams better than MC?
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No one thinks there are 11 teams better than Loyola which is why no one is surprised they're still playing. For the millionth time stop focusing on the number in front of the team. With the current system if you want a higher ranking, win more games.

You have yet to provide another way of seeding the teams. Is your suggestion to just use Calpreps?
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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jha618 said:
For the millionth time man, the seeding has nothing to do with who will win the game. Or who is favored to advance. It's about the resume of wins you have accumulated throughout the season. Its objective is to reward teams for a good reg season. It's not a predictor of future success in the post season. It sounds like you believe since a 15seed beat a 2, the seeding was wrong. But really, it means you don't have an understanding of what seeding teams means.
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Teams are currently rewarded for a good regular season.
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Happy Veterans Day ...

Kevin JCHS 81
MC63 said:
.... to Kevin and all the other vets.

SSGT MC63 USAF

(ps: it's my real name)
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First:
Thank you to all the Veterans.

Second:
Hopefully that's not directed at me, MC63, but I can't think of another poster with 'Kevin' in their name.

While it would be a great honor to be considered a Vet, I am not a Veteran.

I may have confused you in the past with my history in the Nuclear Industry. 36+ years as a Nuclear Operator, and worked with many Navy Nuc's.

Fresh out of high school, right after my 19th birthday until just before my 56th birthday when I retired, partially for medical reasons.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

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4Afan said:
Every year the NCAA gets seeding wrong and that's the type of system you want to go to? Also, using the tourney as a comparison to high school football is comparing apples to potatoes.

If they were seeded how you want how do you know Marist even makes the semis? You're making the assumption that the higher seed wins every game.

Who do you have ranking these teams in your system?
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For the millionth time man, the seeding has nothing to do with who will win the game. Or who is favored to advance. It's about the resume of wins you have accumulated throughout the season. Its objective is to reward teams for a good reg season. It's not a predictor of future success in the post season. It sounds like you believe since a 15seed beat a 2, the seeding was wrong. But really, it means you don't have an understanding of what seeding teams means.
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Cross Bones said:
I think the issue is people are assuming their subjective assessments of teams is objective and correct.

How did you decide Marist was top 4? It also sounds like you're assuming Loyola was top 4, how did you determine that?
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It's not solely my subjective opinion at all. Calpreps has LA and Marist as top 4 teams in 8a.

The bigger question for those that are disagreeing, and which keeps going unanswered, who believes there are 11 8a teams better than LA? Who believes there are 16 teams better than MC?
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