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MC vs SR Part 105

caravan8
Topiary said:
MC has insane depth - hoping they keep the Froah from the lures of Kenwood, Simeon etc. Remember Charles Frazier - whatever happened to that kid? I remember going man that kid is going to ND. Instead I think it was Hubbard or Argo or something
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Charles Frazier was a freshman when I was a sophomore and he was a man amongst boys on the sophomore team that season. He ended up playing at Hubbard after he left MC freshman year I think. Someone mentioned he was coaching at a CPS school some years back. Not sure what happened to him but he could run the football for sure!
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MC vs SR Part 105

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Topiary said:
MC has insane depth - hoping they keep the Froah from the lures of Kenwood, Simeon etc. Remember Charles Frazier - whatever happened to that kid? I remember going man that kid is going to ND. Instead I think it was Hubbard or Argo or something
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. . . and great coaching, as you know. MC/LA/LWE/ESL--those schools are definitely the gold standard. MC has been a crow in Rita's side for a while now, especially in the playoffs. I know that staff over there are working very hard to reach that gold standard, and they deserve credit for working their asses off. Great people over at 77th and Western Ave, but it's tough.

Great competition in the Green with Naz/SF. Have to play a tough Blue school (BR next year), and I encourage the staff at Cascia to continue to schedule MC for either Week 1 or 2 of every season. Good luck to LA-MC-(JCA/NAZ)-DP-Montini-CC-Althoff in the championship games.
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Football Enrollment

crusader_of_90
ramblinman said:
I never liked FBE when we had it, and I still don't.

You are going to get people foaming at the mouth when they see FBE puts Loyola in 7A. Look at Althoff and Chicago Christian above. It puts Althoff FOUR classes above their actual enrollment and Chicago Christian two classes. Look at ESL in 8A. Think that goofy conference of theirs is gonna be happy with that?

Lastly, it wreaks havoc on non-conference game scheduling for larger schools.
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When FBE was first being discussed it was called the Althoff rule. As Coach Schott always said, we play the best we can. No one seems to mind when we go 5-4 and miss the playoffs.
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Bradly Bourbonnais vs LW Central

mullin17
PowerI66 said:
You see @mullin17 ? Extremely solid showing by LWC. Nothing to be ashamed of
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I did see it live. Great season for LWC. Coach Woodburn and his players deserve every accolade. Taking a 20+year underachieving football school to the brink of the State Championship Game is truly remarkable.

You were the one "diminishing" their path to the Semis.
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Football Enrollment

Snetsrak61
ramblinman said:
I never liked FBE when we had it, and I still don't.

You are going to get people foaming at the mouth when they see FBE puts Loyola in 7A. Look at Althoff and Chicago Christian above. It puts Althoff FOUR classes above their actual enrollment and Chicago Christian two classes. Look at ESL in 8A. Think that goofy conference of theirs is gonna be happy with that?

Lastly, it wreaks havoc on non-conference game scheduling for larger schools.
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I'd expect Loyola would still be allowed to opt up and would.

GOOD that ESL can stick it to their conference mates who are powerless to stop them.

CCL/ESCC might need a carve out to handle differently. Not sure any other conference spans so many classes so nearly everyone just gets pulled to 6A/7A as a result... Could be tweaked, I'm sure.

Obviously no system is perfect. There's fair criticisms for FE enrollment and I think the process for extreme outliers could be looked at. Like perhaps actual enrollmemt to FE could be capped at a % +/- or number of classes climbed/descended.

All that said I think it would be vastly preferable to straight enrollment.
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Football Enrollment

R
Snetsrak61 said:
Its been tossed around before, but I don't think I've seen anyone take a formal attempt at laying out what it would look like.

Below posts will be a look at a Football Enrollment methodology.

Basic Method;
1. Your Football enrollment is your opponents enrollment averaged, with the top and bottom enrollment eliminated
2. I excluded out of state opponents
3. This was a judgement call, but I multiplied all private school enrollment figures. I think if a modernized FE were to be implemented this would need to be looked at. It didn't have huge impact if I did it on unmultiplied. For the private schools, an average change of 192 to the football enrollment number. Seemed to impact the smaller private schools more than the CCL/ESCC guys.

Results by class will be in the post below. Here are the cutoffs though compared to the current enrollment cutoffs in 2024


ClassCurrent RangeFE Range
1A(0 - 292.5)(220 - 325)
2A(296.5 - 403.5)(325 - 436)
3A(406.5 - 542.5)(439 - 580)
4A(553 - 844)(581 - 997)
5A(848 - 1,272.5),(1,017 - 1,373)
6A(1,723 - 1,802)(1,377 - 1,666)
7A(1,604 - 2,156)(1,666 - 2,173)
8A(2,190 +)(2,190 +)

Where would the 16 state finalists have been? So we'd have a least 4 new finalists. And potentially more depending how brackets were to shake out. YES, private schools have inflated. Not to be unexpected, but I'll point out that at least a couple traditional power public school programs / recent state finalists have as well: Rochester 5A, Cary Grove 7A, Prairie Ridge 7A, Kankakee 7A (probably more, but those were a few I noticed)
1A - Lena (L.-Winslow)
2A - Maroa (M.-Forsyth)
3A - Monticello
4A - Palos Heights (Chicago Christian)
4A - Mt. Zion
5A - Belleville (Althoff Catholic)
6A - LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
6A - Chicago (DePaul)
6A - Lombard (Montini)
7A - Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
7A - Joliet (Catholic Academy)
7A - Chicago (Mt. Carmel)
7A - Geneva
7A - Batavia
8A - East St. Louis (Sr.)
8A - Elmhurst (York)

Classes to follow;
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I never liked FBE when we had it, and I still don't.

You are going to get people foaming at the mouth when they see FBE puts Loyola in 7A. Look at Althoff and Chicago Christian above. It puts Althoff FOUR classes above their actual enrollment and Chicago Christian two classes. Look at ESL in 8A. Think that goofy conference of theirs is gonna be happy with that?

Lastly, it wreaks havoc on non-conference game scheduling for larger schools.
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Football Enrollment

Snetsrak61
DeanOfSelection said:
I always liked FE since it placed teams in the class representative of their schedule.
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It was the only redeeming characteristic of districts proposal too. You'd qualify for playoff classification based on the character of the schools you play.

So yea, football enrollment helps nudge that direction. And it's very easy to administer and doesn't come with all the negatives of districts. With a little more complexity I think you could additionally do some conference multiplying (for ESCC/CCL but also some of the stronger/weaker public conferences). Could also make seeding follow more of a strength of schedule logic in a fairly impartial way too.
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CS8 Playoffs Thread - Done and Dusted, Just Like Maroa...

cigaros
Absolutely hell to the no on Taylorville. Between Lincoln southeast and Lanphier, they will be doing a final four to see who can be the worst in the conference on a yearly basis.

Rochester, SHG, Chatham, and an occasional MacArthur will vie for the top. And those other four will be vying for the bottom. With the middle of the pack always saying, “wait til next year.”
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