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Public School Advantages

Amen.

16 years of Catholic education here from 1st grade through college. 16 years each for two of my kids and 12 for one of them who we failed to stop from going over to the dark side in college. Two of them went on to get their masters from private institutions (one of them faith based). As much as I like to imagine what I could have done with all that tuition money and had my kids belly up to the public education trough instead, it's the best investment we ever made.

A long time ago either here or on the old Tribune message board, back when I was even feistier than I am now, I posted something along the following lines: The dislike and distrust that public school apologists have for private schools run way deeper than just athletics. Could it be that many public school apologists dislike private schools so much because they suffer from an inferiority complex? Could they be lashing out at private schools because that's how they subconsciously cope with whatever nagging doubt they might feel that either they or their parents didn't value their or their kids' education enough to pay extra for it? It's sort of along the lines of public school families asking themselves, "What do private school families know that we don't such that they are willing to sacrifice and pay extra for schooling and we aren't? What does that say about me as a parent who proudly wants to give my kids the best of everything? Am I shortchanging my kids?" I imagine this is how the neighbors feel about the Joneses with whom they cannot keep up. Is it a money thing? With some public school families, I think it very well could be. It could also be tradition, distrust of the unknown, and an aversion to any type of organized religion or some combination of the four things.

Are the above assumptions? You betcha. I contend, however, that if they really get under public school folks' skin and stick in their craw, then perhaps there is more than just a grain of truth to them.
This is a wildly inappropriate response on so many levels. First of all, you admit right away that you and your kids went to 16 years of private schools. Which is great. But that means you have literally zero experience with public schools. So it almost invalidates the rest of your points by trying to act like you have insight into public school parents.

Then you go on to completely make up unfound opinions about public school parents. I can assure you that no public school parents are having nagging thoughts about not valuing their kids education because they did not pay a private tuition. Especially in the suburbs of Chicago where the public schools often score higher than the private schools.

You accuse public school supporters as having an "inferiority complex", as "lashing out", as needing to "cope", or as having an "aversion to any type of organized religion". Literally no poster on this site has ever given an inkling to any of the above. I can assure that there are many families, both well off and not well off, that are extremely happy with their choice of school and their kids are getting a phenomenal education and they do not have pay tuition. We are lucky and privileged to live in an area where our public schools offer great educational experiences. Once again you created a straw man argument to justify YOUR anger and resentment toward public schools.

I too can make broad generalizations and make claims with little to no evidence. In the beginning you said " I like to imagine what I could have done with all the tuition money if I had my kids belly up and go to the public education trough" and that makes me wonder is it in fact YOUR resentment and your nagging thoughts that maybe instead of paying thousands of dollars for the same education as a public school do you feel that you did not value your kid's childhood enough to give them more experiences? Now I'm not actually accusing you of this because it would be unfair to you and it would even more unfair to generalize and accuse large swaths of private education parents of this as well.

Also why do you feel the need to insult the public education by using terms like "belly up to the public education trough"? Do you actually feel superior to the public education clientele? If it is a money thing as you mentioned, does it make you feel good to insult the education? Often times public schools have significantly more supports (such as math labs, writing labs, IA's, support classes) and broader range of classes (such as more AP classes and Dual credit classes). Not sure why you feel the need to tear down public education on a forum designed to talk about athletics.

Public School Advantages

Who?

Even New Trier, probably the most well funded public high school in the state (if not the country) needs to go to booster club for very basic football supplies.
Head Coach Salary, asst coaches salary(var, soph/jv, frosh) equipment(Helmets, that need to get reconditioned, field maintenance, jerseys practice and game day. I can keep going.

Player of the Year candidates?

McPherson of Loyola - He was the difference of getting to the top of the 8A. Nobody could stop him.
Agreed. Has to go to MacPherson. Was far and away the most dominant performer on 8A State Champ. He was the difference in all of LA's tight wins down the stretch. Did it all. Out of the backfield-carrying the ball, catching it or blocking. Split out-catching it or drawing double teams. And being asked to play in the defensive backfield to neutralize opponents best threat. Kid was a load. 4 year varsity player at Loyola...how many of those have there been in the recent era?

Has to be MacPherson.

New: Illinois State Early Signing Day Class of 2025 Review

Illinois State Class of 2025 Early Signing Day Class

My Take: In State Review from the Illinois State Early Class of 2025

Illinois State and veteran head coach Brock Spack is coming off a strong 2024 season as the Redbirds made the FCS playoffs and lost in Round 2 to Cal Davis and edned the season as a 10-4 record. Illinois State remains on a roll in more than a few areas...the Illinois State enrollment numbers continue to rise and remains one of a few in state colleges to see steady increased enrollment numbers. Illinois State also is relatively close to home for most of the state and it's centrally located campus, renovated facilities including a new indoor practice facility givesd the Redbirds a distinct advantage over it's Missouri Valley Conference in state rivals.


Illinois State Class of 2025 In State Early Signing Class

Rico Clay | DB | 6-3 | 190 | Quincy, Illinois (Quincy HS)
Mar'Quan Gary | WR | 6-0 | 170 | Bloomington, Illinois (Normal Community HS)
Chase Kwiatkowski | QB | 6-2 | 205 | Dyer, Indiana (St. Laurence HS)
Tyler Lofton | RB | 5-10 | 200 | Crete, Illinois (Brother Rice HS)
Cooper Monk | OL | 6-6 | 260 | Manteno, Illinois (Manteno HS)
Wyatt Mueller | DB | 6-2 | 195 | Quincy, Illinois (Quincy Notre Dame HS)
Luke Olson | WR | 6-3 | 205 | Chicago, Illinois (Notre Dame College Prep)
Travis Stamm | WR | 6-2 | 170 | Willow Springs, Illinois (Lyons Township HS)


Illinois State Class of 2025 Walk Ons

Stevan Gavric | WR | 6-3 | 180 | Libertyville, Illinois (Libertyville HS)
Brady Goken | TE | 6-3 | 220 | Wheaton, Illinois (Wheaton Warrenville South HS)
Casey Roney | K | 5-11 | 170 | West Aurora HS

Which In State name has the best chance of becoming an impact player?

Lyons Township WR Travis Stamm is a very strong player who was a two way starter for the Lions at both receiver and safety. Stamm has impressive sixe and length, he will continue to add more good weight and size at the next level. I can also see Stamm getting looks and a shot on either side of the football if needed. Stamm has good speed and hands and plays with both a bit of a chip along with just enough swagger you want to see in a higher level athlete.

Quincy Notre Dame ATH Wyatt Mueeller had a highly productive high school career playing several positions for the Raiders including quarterback, receiver, linebacker and safety. Mueller is another name that can become a versatile piece gor the Redbirds capable of playing a handful of positions down the line. Mueller is another good sized athlete who still has more room to grow and develop over the next year or two for Illinois State.

Sleeper In-State Name in the Class of 2024?

Niles Notre Dame WR Luke Olson is another nice story. Olson suffered a preseason injury which kept him out for nearly the entire 2023 junior season, but Olson this past spring snd summer opened up some eyes and started to wind up on several recruiting radar screens. Olson has really good size (6-foot-3, 205 pounds) who can also add morer good weight andf strength and could end up playing as a tight end for Illinois State as well. Olson has great hands, awareness and has the potential to develop into a really nice steal for the Redbirds in this class.

Quincy DB Rico Clay was a handful of key multi-year starter for the Blue Devils and it's state playoff teams. Clay, who also saw significant time as a receiver as well for Quincy and head coach Rick Little , Clay has good sixe and length at 6-foot-3, 180 pounds and has ther potential to play as either a big corner or even develop into more of a OLB/S down the line for Illinois State

The One Who Got Away?


Whether it's Oak Lawn Richards RB Myles Mitchell (NDSU commit) or a handful of names heading to Brookings South Dakota...Illinois State and really all of the State of Illinois and Midwest MVC programs remain in an all out war for landing State of Illinois kids with the Dakota schools. The Dakota schools (North Dakota/North Dakota State/South Dakota/South Dakota State) have a lot to offer including top notch facilities, cost of attendance stipends along with I'm sure to follow sooner rather than later NIL opportunities. The distance from home to the Dakotas still remains the State of Illinois biggest positive against the Dakota schools...but that advantage seems to be getting less and less each season.

Overall Grade on the Illinois State In State Class of 2024: B

I really like this class for ISU on a few different levels. From an overall in state number of signee's to the overall quality at several positions....Illinois State and head coach Brock Spack has continues to focus on development and in state names as its core and its the Redbirds action here speak volumes here in my opinion. Illinois State has been a sleeping giant for some time now and they should continue to remain competitive in the MVC. The biggest question I have here is how much longer with Brock Spack remain as the Redbirds coach before retiring? Also can this program with help from the past few recruiting classes take that huge next step and become a national title contender? It's very possible in my opinion.



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Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

Sac’em,

If that concrete was a solid base I’m good with that. The problem really is that the foundation is not on bedrock but rather quicksand because of the way the students get pushed through the system. Compound that push through the system with it occurring at a higher rate in the failing districts and it points to the core of my complaint. There is no accountability and competition brings accountability into the fold. I think ultimately we both want the kids to have better, you seem to think the current system is good while I feel it tends to be good only in some places and horrible in others, and that those others tend to be in places that can least afford deficiencies or kids falling through the cracks in the system. We probably are much closer to agreement then either of us think, so I’m asking you to look, see, acknowledge, and tell me how you correct the failures in the system.
I agree with most of the premise, however, I will say that there is some level of accountability. The problem is that the decision makers on the school board or in the district office hold the wrong people accountable. They often go after the teachers or building administrators for the results of the poor decisions made above them. The public needs to hold school board members more accountable. School board members need to hold district admin more accountable.

Correcting failures in the system does not involve a broad solution. Each individual entity (school district) must determine what issues impact them the most and work to solve those issues. No one has the perfect solution.

If I were to start researching potential solutions for improving academic outcomes in a school district, these are the areas I would focus on, along with additional supporting facts that highlight their importance:
1. Address Educational Funding Inequities
Ensure underfunded school districts receive adequate resources to meet the needs of their students.
In Illinois, districts serving the highest percentages of low-income students receive approximately 22% less state and local funding per student than wealthier districts, according to the Education Law Center.
Many schools operate in unsafe, hazardous conditions with little to no support for effective learning. Funding reforms are critical to create safe, well-equipped environments where students can thrive.

2. Prioritize Teacher Support
Offer competitive salaries and benefits to attract and retain high-quality educators, reducing the risk of teacher shortages.
The Learning Policy Institute reports that districts with higher teacher salaries experience lower turnover rates and attract more qualified applicants, directly improving student outcomes.
Lower student-to-teacher ratios in struggling districts to improve individualized attention.
Shift the narrative to stop blaming public schools and teachers for broader societal issues they cannot control.

3. Focus on Future-Ready Education: CTE and STEM
Eliminate over-reliance on rote memorization and emphasize critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, STEM jobs are expected to grow by 8% from 2019 to 2029, faster than non-STEM jobs, with median wages nearly double the national average.
Expand Career and Technical Education (CTE) and STEM programs to prepare students for evolving industries and global competitiveness.

4. Revamp Early Childhood Education
Adopt models inspired by Asian countries emphasizing discipline, routine, teamwork, and play-based learning in Pre-K through 1st grade.
Countries like Japan and South Korea have some of the highest literacy and math proficiency rates globally, attributed to early emphasis on discipline, structure, and collaborative learning.
Promote multilingual development in the early years.
Encourage self-sustaining classrooms where children take on responsibilities such as helping with daily activities, meal preparation, and cleanup.

5. Invest in Community and Parental Engagement
Foster partnerships between schools, families, and the community to support student success.
Research from the Harvard Family Research Project shows that students with engaged parents are 2.6 times more likely to graduate from high school and attend college.
Create programs that encourage parents to take an active role in their child’s education and school activities.

6. Reform Disciplinary Policies
Revise outdated and ineffective disciplinary practices to focus on restorative approaches that foster accountability and growth rather than punitive, menial consequences.
Schools that implement restorative justice practices have seen a 44% reduction in suspension rates, improving student behavior and school climate.

7. Increase Accountability for Truancy
Implement strategies to hold parents accountable for ensuring regular attendance while addressing underlying barriers to student engagement.
Chronic absenteeism affects nearly 8 million U.S. students annually, with long-term effects on academic achievement and graduation rates. Parent accountability programs in some states have reduced truancy rates by as much as 25%.

8. Reinforce the Value of Public Education
Help society recognize that the U.S. public education system has been a cornerstone of the nation’s rise to global prominence. It has fostered widespread literacy, innovation, and economic growth, creating a workforce and citizenry capable of sustaining democracy and global leadership.
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Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

Totally disagree. You have to set a culture and kids still need to follow and believe. Not any coach can win a state title.
^^^
He’s a guy that doesn’t get it. Not hard to plug and play D1 kids on your team. The majority of HS coaches could have won a state title with his roster
^^ this is nonsense. Bolingbrook is a great example.

NIU to the Mountain West

Granted, my promotion/relegation experience is 100% from watching 'Welcome to Wrexham', and following the team a little, but it would be an awesome concept for fans.

Just for fun, let's say the levels were by conference
SEC
Big10
Big12
ACC
etc, etc

Imagine the drama knowing that Auburn had to beat Alabama two weeks ago to avoid being relegated to the Big10.
Based on standings: Auburn, Kentucky, and MS St would have dropped to the Big10, and Oregon, Indiana, and Penn St would be in the SEC next year.

NIU to the Mountain West

Will never be "done with this". In another year or two, the Big10 and SEC will pull a couple schools from other conferences, then the ACC/Big12 will react to fill gaps/expand/merge/??? and it will ripple effect down through all the smaller conferences.
The only way out of the spiral (or maybe the logical end result) is a relegation/promotion concept like Premier League.

To the extent it isn't already NCAA football will become a de factor pro minor league. The euro football model actually does this really elegantly to span from pro to the amateur level.
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NIU to the Mountain West

Oh no, I thought we were done with this...if all the good Mountain West schools are leaving (which means all of the TV dollars will be leaving) then why do it?
Will never be "done with this". In another year or two, the Big10 and SEC will pull a couple schools from other conferences, then the ACC/Big12 will react to fill gaps/expand/merge/??? and it will ripple effect down through all the smaller conferences.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

So easily predicted when you're over the target. Obviously the current multiplier is working 🤣. If its a level playing field everyone wants then this is spot on. Limiting players to one side of the ball will make some players think twice about where they want to go. Face it the youth programs that the private schools are hand picking from are selling the scholarship route to the top tier players. If roster limits are known ahead of time, then some of those players will take their talents elsewhere. This is when OP rosters start to balance out.
LOL. "People think my idea is dumb, therefore I must be right!" is such a strange stance to take...

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

So easily predicted when you're over the target. Obviously the current multiplier is working 🤣. If its a level playing field everyone wants then this is spot on. Limiting players to one side of the ball will make some players think twice about where they want to go. Face it the youth programs that the private schools are hand picking from are selling the scholarship route to the top teir players. If roster limits are known ahead of time, then some of those players will take their talents elsewhere. This is when OP rosters start to balance out.
It's incredibly limiting for athletes of all kinds.

And if anything I don't know why it wouldn't have the opposite effect that you think. A lot of good teams, especially midsized teams still will star top players both ways, even if for partial snaps. So haven't you just opened up opportunities for new starting roles on those teams? You're kidding yourself greatly if you think the bottom end roster players are gonna leave from their school to go find a roster spot. And even if they did, they aren't going to make a on field impact. It's just shuffling third stringers.

Or a public school stud who goes both ways now but has to more seriously consider if he's limited to one side of ball which opportunity will give him most exposure.

You're acting like these schools student athletes are D1 athletes tied to a athletic scholarship that they can't leave (pre portal days). In zero way is that's what is happening. If their local public school can offer then something they can't they are 1000% percent free to leave.

NIU to the Mountain West

My thought on this possible football move is that I wish Illinois high schools Would form more football-only conferences, as the. Catholic league/east suburban Catholic Conf. Has done, and also how the Chicago Public League has done.
I get that the ihsa 5-win playoff standard works against building football-only conferences in which elite-team leagues csn be built and bottom feeder-leagues can be built.
My knee jerk answer would be "they should have just reorganized the SICA differently" but there are some lot closer to peer conferences elsewhere in the suburbs that could potentially collaborate and do this. To a degree you already see this in the CSL-MSL and the DVC-SWSC schedule arrangements.

St. Patrick Opening

I had a thread on this the other day but I think it was scrapped for some reason. Unlike ND I do not think they go and hire from within. Luke is an alum of St Pats and his son currently is a freshman at the school. I don’t have any names to put out at the moment but I have faith in Dan Santucci the president to have a solid list of people to contact.
I think someone made a snide remark about LM. I’d imagine TB the OC is being considered.
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Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

So easily predicted when you're over the target. Obviously the current multiplier is working 🤣. If its a level playing field everyone wants then this is spot on. Limiting players to one side of the ball will make some players think twice about where they want to go. Face it the youth programs that the private schools are hand picking from are selling the scholarship route to the top tier players. If roster limits are known ahead of time, then some of those players will take their talents elsewhere. This is when OP rosters start to balance out.

St. Patrick Opening

I had a thread on this the other day but I think it was scrapped for some reason. Unlike ND I do not think they go and hire from within. Luke is an alum of St Pats and his son currently is a freshman at the school. I don’t have any names to put out at the moment but I have faith in Dan Santucci the president to have a solid list of people to contact.

NIU to the Mountain West

Oh no, I thought we were done with this...if all the good Mountain West schools are leaving (which means all of the TV dollars will be leaving) then why do it?
You are correct in noting that the Mountain West Conference is losing Boise State among other fb programs.
Since conference moves are ONLY made for money, and considering that in the Mountain West, NIU would play 4 road conference games each fall in Nevada, California, Hawaii, etc, … with related travel costs.
Thus, I assume that the Mountsin West football move will be way more lucrative than staying in the Mid-American conference.
So perhaps ESPN is planning to end its money deal with the MAC to play on Tuesday/Wednesday in November.
Those games obviously make the MAC teams TV money but also make the league the worst home-attendance conference in the nation.
Maybe NIU wants to play on Saturday and have more fans at games.
Maybe the Mountain West has a new TV deal coming for 2026 and beyond that is way better than the MAC deal.
We can’t make sense of the deal without the TV dollars.
My thought on this possible football move is that I wish Illinois high schools Would form more football-only conferences, as the. Catholic league/east suburban Catholic Conf. Has done, and also how the Chicago Public League has done.
I get that the ihsa 5-win playoff standard works against building football-only conferences in which elite-team leagues csn be built and bottom feeder-leagues can be built.
It would make the 9-week regular season intense at the top end snd more enjoyable at the other end.
But of course the concept does not work for the current playoff system so it has zero chance of happening.
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