IHSA football? Which schools academically would you include in say an Ivy League style IHSA conference?
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Lol at public Ivy Leagues.
to apply this to IL IDK if you can exclude Catholic privates. Publics would be a mockery though
Speak for your own institution, WADRWell the vast majority of Catholic High Schools accept anyone at this point who can write their names. It is a placement test now, not an entrance exam at all but a few. The difference is they just get rid of them if they cant hang academically or cause disruptions in class.
Speak for your own institution, WADR
I would put NAZ above MC with regard to academics.His institution holds more sway than yours, or mine. Not even close.
I would put NAZ above MC with regard to academics.
Did you read his post?His institution holds more sway than yours, or mine. Not even close.
IHSA football? Which schools academically would you include in say an Ivy League style IHSA conference?
edgy:
I am likely to take some flak on this, but given my contrarian bona fides in this forum, I am perfectly willing to accept censure.
Since Ivy League schools have given birth to grade inflation, "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings," I'm unlikely to want to model any league, even a hypothetical one, for this state.
The last good idea to originate from the Ivy League was napalm.
Let's at least admit that a lot of great research comes out of the Ivy's in many fields. Trouble is affording to attend any of those schools.
Unfortunately for this percentage of jobless, a plague actually, and almost all of whom had no business in college in the first place, it took four years and $37k in debt for them to realize a "gender studies" degree from an Ivy League school is virtually worthless.
Witt
You had to know this was coming, how much is a "gender studies" degree from the University of Notre Dame worth?
Gender Studies offers students a primary major, supplementary major and a minor. In the primary major and supplementary major, students choose a concentration in Arts and Culture, Religion and Family, or Gender and Society. These concentrations allow students to focus their study of gender to prepare them for their senior capstone project.
Voodoo:
Oh I submit the product of wonderful minds flowed from the hallowed halls of Ivy League schools, once.
If I may, I would suggest you do some research on Harvey Mansfield. A longtime professor of government at Harvard, Mansfield has successfully sustained decades of condemnation for his relentless opposition to grade inflation. At 85, he still holds a position at the once-prestigious institution, and has tutored some great public intellectuals.
Similarly, look into the hire and resignation of Lawrence Summers as Harvard's president between 2001-06. His six-year tenure as the school's chief executive was was filled with rancor and led to a no-confidence vote, which he lost.
Summer's crime of crimes was responsibly evaluating the faculty's preoccupation with overly politicizing classrooms and delegating too much teaching time to graduate assistants. Among his chief criticism was demanding tenured educators actually teach instead of of taking time off for the purpose of conducting research. Included in explanations for "research" was recording rap music and campaigning for Democratic political candidates.
Bitter at being exposed, Harvard's faculty, perfectly comfortable with their cozy lifestyles, ran the man out of Cambridge.
Before we lament the number of students swimming in debt, estimates reveal college graduates are in over their heads to the tune of $1 trillion, let's consider the wisdom of Mansfield when he said college isn't for everybody.
Mansfield is right: Perhaps if recent graduates had not been hypnotized by the false promise of a college degree and admitted they actually don't belong in college, we would not be burdened with the percentage of kids currently without jobs.
Unfortunately for this percentage of jobless, a plague actually, and almost all of whom had no business in college in the first place, it took four years and $37k in debt for them to realize a "Gender Studies" degree from an Ivy League school is virtually worthless.
I consider "Gender Studies" degrees from Ivy League schools, Notre Dame, Stanford or Duke, for example, every bit as meaningless and worthless as when offered at schools such as, for example, Minnesota, Illinois State, Western Illinois or Coastal Carolina.
Regardless of origin or cost, I find the degree program in "Gender Studies" is identical to other sham disciplines such as "Decision Sciences," Popular Culture," "Floral Management," "Auctioneering," "Turfgrass Science," "Packaging," "Bakery Science," or "Nannying" or "Cosmic Art."
Yes, these are true degree programs.
I chose not to list other contentious degree programs, largely because I don't want to fan flames of discontent, but the ones to which I refer are far too often vehicles harnessed to poison students' minds.
ND's tuition hovers around $64,000 per year. I am not sure what your point is, but if it is to highlight the absurdity of "Gender Studies" programs, and to compare a $64,000 price tag at ND or Harvard, which runs a comparable tuition cost, to the bargain rate of the same degree offered at a Coastal Carolina, well, you have only underscored the fact some dreamy blockhead paid less for the same inconsequential piece of paper, which is not likely to help with career advancement.
ND's tuition when I was a senior was slightly under $9,000. I have a legitimate degree; and I am fairly confident "Gender Studies" was not a degree program at the time I graduated. I believe it was a course offering within the American Studies program before it was created into a full-blown degree program.
My problem with these sham degree programs is they are always created as the result of intense social pressure and are maintained at the cost of traditional art, music, classical studies and language programs. These valuable and legitimate programs are eliminated to sustain these worthless programs.
If your point was to showcase ND has a degree program of which I disapprove, you got me, but my intent was never to suggest ND does not have ridiculous programs. On the contrary, they do and I am embarrassed by it.
Outstanding post! You've done it again.edgy:
I am likely to take some flak on this, but given my contrarian bona fides in this forum, I am perfectly willing to accept censure.
Since Ivy League schools have given birth to grade inflation, "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings," I'm unlikely to want to model any league, even a hypothetical one, for this state.
The last good idea to originate from the Ivy League was napalm.
Outstanding post! You've done it again.
IHSA football? Which schools academically would you include in say an Ivy League style IHSA conference?
Yes, and it's not inaccurate.
Does anyone have a list more complete than this?
St. Ignatius (est. 1869)
Benet Academy (est. 1887)
Wheaton Academy (est. 1853)
Lake Forest Academy (est. 1857)
Loyola Academy (est. 1909)
Mount Carmel (est. 1900)
So the sway you reference is making a fraud of academics? Because that's what he's talking. So sure, if you want to assert it, MC has more sway in that regards...
So saying the entrance exam is not a joke is "making Naz out to be some temple of education or on some higher moral ground"? Did not know academics were such a farce elsewhere...I think you're taking liberties with my statement. Quit making Naz out to be some temple of education or on some higher moral ground. It's laughable and beneath you.
Agree. No government schools in Ivy League.
St. Ignatius (est. 1869)
Benet Academy (est. 1887)
Wheaton Academy (est. 1853)
Lake Forest Academy (est. 1857)
Loyola Academy (est. 1909)
Mount Carmel (est. 1900)
The original post said academically not historically. Mount Carmel is laughable when it comes to academically.
So the sway you reference is making a fraud of academics? Because that's what he's talking. So sure, if you want to assert it, MC has more sway in that regards...
So saying the entrance exam is not a joke is "making Naz out to be some temple of education or on some higher moral ground"? Did not know academics were such a farce elsewhere...
He made light of exams, I said speak for your school. That's not making Naz out to be anything. I never even tried to place Naz in the "Ivies"
Not saying it belongs as an Ivy, but JCA can trace it roots back to 1869 as St Francis Academy.St. Patrick . . . 1861.
And Woodlands traces its roots back to 1858.