I’ll make the argument that tuition is an advantage for the private schools as it eliminates a certain element of society that’s less likely to have kids involved in extra curriculars… and then The classification system balances it out
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Might be the dumbest post I’ve seen on this site in the last 12 yrs
CCL enrollments have fallen greatly the last 25 years and sports success has not. If enrollment and athletics coorelated we would have seen something different.
People aren’t having big families like they use to either.
Also as tuition has gone up, some families have to choose between catholic grammar or high school. They can’t afford both
Yeah. The non athlete suburban kids are staying public for high school. All the south side public enrollments are either growing or staying the same. That is great for CCL athletics, not great for the overall school.
I have read all the posts about publics vs. privates for years.
Would this fix all issues?
Two classes of open playoffs. 16 teams each (not 32 since you may not have enough teams opt into the format). Based on enrollment of opt in teams. Opt in before week 9.
Six classes for everyone else.
Then most of the angst and debate goes away. If you win, you can say you didn’t shirk anyone. If you lose, at least you challenged yourself. If you don’t opt in, then you can try to justify it to your fan base or critics. All public vs private debate goes away.
It doesn't seem this would change much. With the exception of East St. Louis and the restriction the Southwestern Conference places on it, schools already have the option to petition up as many classes as they would like. If, for the most part, schools currently in 5A, 6A and 7A are not petitioning to play in 8A, it doesn't seem likely that they would choose to play in an open playoff. For example, Mt. Carmel did not petition to play in 8A this past season. Why would someone assume Mt. Carmel would voluntarily choose to play in an open playoff?
Yea- there has to be a specific draw.
I think it's important to remember too that while we as fans look at these things over larger horizons, for kids it's a 2-3 year window, and for 80% that's the last real competitive sport they'll play. A coach electing up to a class, maybe proves something to us fans, but isn't really about the kids at that point. Can voluntarily electing up about the kids? Maybe there are cases where it is - certainly don't want to make it seem like ESL is doing something wrong, because every situation is different. But I can understand any ADs hesitation to do so and ultimately respect if nearly all err to caution and just say they'll play where they're placed.
I guess SouthofI80FootballFan has no reply to my post on the last page in regards to his diatribe on St Teresa.
Coward.
Coward.
I feel there was a good fix in place when ALL privates were multiplied 1.65. Get rid of the success factor and the enrollment classifications would be leveled again.
Good for whom? Leveled for whom?
Would it be good for a team like Chicago Christian that was a first round knockout in 2A, losing by a 34 point margin? How about Rockford Lutheran, shut out in in the second round 28-0? Would 1A be more "leveled" by moving Chicago Hope Academy (a #2 seed beaten 44-16 by a #10 seed in round two) to 2A? Would 2A be more "leveled" by adding them?
Chicago Christian would take 2a everyday over being in an all-private school association.
Please elaborate on this. What certain element of society is it eliminating? Where are your stats that that "certain element of society" is less likely to have kids involved in extra curriculars?
Catholic schools welcome full paying students no matter what their interest is
Such a stupid comment
Such a stupid comment
Yes, that's probably true. But it doesn't mean they deserve to be multiplied.
Great examples....but all those schools were knocked out by much superior public programs.
I will take the multiplier and say it should be for all open boundary schools. That would include Maine South, Whitney Young and Simeon's of the world.
Great article in the Sun-Times about Mike Irvin (Mac Irvin Fire) the basketball coach at Kenwood Academy. The recruiting and transfers are not going anywhere.
Providence, St Francis and SHG had no business being in 4A this year. Naz had no business in 5A.
Maybe if those teams coach their kids up, they would be successful at the higher class level.
Naz won their semifinal and final games by a combined total of FOUR POINTS. Looks to me like it was a perfect classification of Naz.
Maybe. But probably not. You want Chicago Christian in 5A, simply because they are a private school. Not because they have exhibited ANY kind of sustained success (they haven't).
Nope not a coward, had a death in the family so was out of state.
I was mistaken and forgot about the few of the Brilley years where they were just ok.
The population within 30 miles is more than 102,000, that is just Macon county and St. T can get gets from communities outside of Macon county.
Typical St. T response. Think they are better and above everyone else and never do anything wrong. Lots of sketchy recruiting has happened in the Macon county area in the past. Don't get me wrong, St. T totally earned their title this year and coach Ramsey has cleaned things up around St. T and done a great job turning the program around. It will be a sad day when he decides to hang up the whistle because I don't know if St. T will be able to find a guy of the outstanding character that they have in Ramsey. He is a quality guy and has done things the correct way. Maybe I'm just misinformed, old, or biased toward my public schools, but things were not always done the right way at St. T
Here is your stats....https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/09/children-in-poverty-less-likely-to-participate-in-sports-gifted-programs.html
Low-income students are less likely to participate in extra-curricular activities.
What is the low-income or free/reduced lunch population among private schools?
After doing some research most of the Private Schools that made the finals were multiplied. Providence and SHG are the only ones that played at their true enrollment.
School/True Enrollment Class/Multiplied Class
Loyola/8A/8A
Mt Carmel/5A/7A
Naz/4A/5A
Providence/4A/6A
SHG/4A/5A
IC/2A/3A
St Theresa/1A/2A
School/True Enrollment Class/Multiplied Class
Loyola/8A/8A
Mt Carmel/5A/7A
Naz/4A/5A
Providence/4A/6A
SHG/4A/5A
IC/2A/3A
St Theresa/1A/2A
Loyola's actual enrollment is solidly 7A. They petitioned up.
6A round 1: Notre Dame 28, Antioch 7.
I mean, I kind of get it. They beat up on a conference opponent 77-3 in week 9. They thought they were hot stuff going into round 1. However, NDCP, the private school that beat them, lost to St Ignatius in the quarters. Ignatius lost to Prairie Ridge in the semis. And PR got destroyed in the finals against ESL. Question: would the Antioch fan be whining at all if they had played Prairie Ridge in round 1 and gotten smoked?
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It seems they are looking at the big picture (more than 1,200 games), not three or four games like you are.
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Plenty of ways to look at data and make it fit any narrative. Are they counting private school wins against open boundary schools like CPS and a few other school districts have? What about the years before 1-32 in 7A & 8A where you had everyone geographically placed? You could have 4 private schools win a first round game and then lose in round 2 but still end up with a winning record against public’s.
At least you admit your bias against St Teresa.
Although still not sure where you got the following comments in your post from.
“They were something like 3-6 then went to 1A state championship the next year because they dropped down to 1A along with some questionable transfers and have 8 losses since.”
“But some privates are able to go from 3-6 to a state title appearance with a completely different team of athletes who were not in the school 1 year earlier”
Did you just make them up and think no one would call you out?
You went from “some questionable transfers” (which there were ZERO “transfers” on the 2016 team) to a “completely different team of athletes who were not in the school 1 year earlier”……..SMDH
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Antioch leadership should be ashamed for posting that.
What a terrible example so ass backwards
Look at thy self
What a terrible example so ass backwards
Look at thy self
Someone should be ashamed for posting factually true statements? I always thought truth and honesty were virtues.
A 5-4 private school football team narrowly defeats the two best 5A public school teams in the state, one unbeaten and the other with one loss; and no one should wonder if it might be the case that some of the private schools are playing at a higher level when it comes to talent? No team had been closer than 21 points to Sycamore prior to their loss to Nazareth.
* Note: The 5-4 record associated with Nazareth above was the team's record entering the playoffs, not their record at the time the two games were played.
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We all know Ramblin is always correct. He always says the publics who can't hang with other publics need to just get better, IT CAN BE DONE! Sames goes for the weak privates....JUST GET BETTER.
Yeah, you're probably right. I'm sure this revelation about the public/private situation just came to them out of the blue. It's pure coincidence that the first peep we ever hear out of the Antioch program regarding the public/private debate comes on the heels of being beaten 28-7 by Notre Dame College Prep in round one this year. Those 77-3 week nine victors over a conference colleague would never think to demonstrate poor sportsmanship by focusing on their own indignation and gall at losing to a private school in round one. They stand in righteous solidarity with their poor public school colleagues statewide who have to endure similar gall and indignation.
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