"Someone stated earlier that if a private school has a need for a specific type of player, they can attempt (it's no guarantee) to get that player whether they are an incoming freshman or senior. The publics can't do that. Now lets be honest, some do and some have got caught and others have got away with it. But that is beside the point, the rules allow the privates to recruit and the public schools can't."
I'll trade you the ability to recruit for your free education. How is free education not an advantage for public schools relative to privates?
And, how often do you think that ability to recruit to fill a specific position actually happens? Seriously, how often?
"Ramblin has a very simplistic view of how football programs work in the smaller, rural districts. It is not about championships and he thinks schools that are "just not good enough" use the private schools as an excuse as to why they can't win and only complain when they lose to a private. That is simply not the truth. It isn't about championships or even beating the private schools, it is about teams competing under the same rules. "
What a crock of crap. If public schools were winning ALL of their games against private schools do you think that they would still be whining because privates and publics aren't competing under the same rules? Get real.
"The multiplier has proven to be an equalizer and the IHSA screwed up by counting the COVID season as a season which has resulted in the success of the Privates this season and last season." What success last season?
"Ramblin will say look at the publics winning 6 of 8 in 2021 as proof the public can win, and public fans will say look at 2022 when 6 or 8 privates won and declare the system unfair, and both sides aren't wrong."
Here's what Ramblin really says: Don't just look at 2022 and 2021. Look back further than that. You acknowledge that the IHSA screwed up, but look at what happened over the past several years.
2021: 6 out of 8 classes won by publics.
2020: No playoffs due to covid
2019: 6 out of 8 classes won by publics.
2018: privates and publics win 4 classes each
2017: 7 of 8 classes won by publics.
2016: same as 2017
2015: privates and publics win 4 classes each.
How about if you and your whining ilk try putting things in perspective rather than turning into Chicken Littles when privates win the majority of a season's state titles for the first time since 2004? These things have a way of ebbing and flowing. Back in 1980 and 81, private schools won four of 6 titles. In 1992, PRE-MULTIPLIER, public schools won ALL the titles. Stop foaming at the mouth after just one year. Take a chill pill. Take the long view.
"See Byron vs. IC, Wilmington vs. Mac, Lockport vs. Loyola, Wheaton North vs. Rita and Brother Rice and various others in 2021 and even 2022 and private supporters will say 'look see, the publics can compete and win' and lump all publics together into those programs and say just get better."
Exactly right. Just. Get. Better. We also say things like it CAN be done. Deal with it.
"St. Teresa has had a great run the past 5 or so years, it has not equated into championships but that does not negate the fact that they have hammered most of their opponents by very wide margins and draw from 150,000 people."
Now your knickers are in a bunch because St T wins by large margins? Do they get that way for you when PUBLIC schools win by large margins too? Mine do...for both private and public. For YEARS, I have bemoaned the huge playoff mismatches that take place because the classes have too wide of a discrepancy of competitiveness from top to bottom. For YEARS, I have suggested here that a system should be put in place to make the classes more competitive. And you know what? Some of the exact same people who want to separate privates and publics because SOME of the privates hammer their opponents are among those who DON'T want to even out the classes competitively. Go figure. Would you be one of those? Are you one who hates it when private schools win by large margins, but public schools get a hall pass from you in that regard?
"IC is also the same, they may not always win the championship but they play a 4A/5A/6A schedule then play in 3A where yeah they have played close games and even been upset a few times but they still have a very high winning percentage, and winning margin."
So what? So do other public schools. Again, why can't private schools win big in your world? Why can't they experience similar sustained athletic success like some public schools? I've asked these questions a few times, but you choose not to answer them.
"Private supporters will bring up Le Win, they shouldn't even be in the discussion as they are 1A and there are not many privates in 1A and they should not be punished by a success factor for being good."
You are insufferable. If there WERE lots of competitive private schools in 1A and Le-Win got bounced from the playoffs by privates every now and then, you'd be the first to whine to high heaven about it. But, because there aren't m/any at the moment, you say we can't include Le-Win as an example of a successful public school that has proven it CAN be done and a public school that Just. Got. Better?