I don’t know my friend, I don’t think ESL is kicking any Field Goals! 😀. I don’t think it’s part of their playbookRamblers 28-17
City of champions YouTube most likelyAnyone streaming this??? I need to watch this
I'm hoping Loyola or ESL will be streaming it, BUT it looks like it's on NFHSAnyone streaming this??? I need to watch this
I didn’t say they weren’t good, just nutritious for penalties and it hurts them, especially when MC beat them last year…..and in 2018…..and in 2017.I love how people like to pile on ESL for penalties lol 😂 They sure do win a LOT of games and big trophies for being sooooo undisciplined 🏆
obtw there Clubber Lang .... Sunkett doesn't duck anyone. Hands down one of the best coaches and 5A programs in the state. The MC's and Loyola's are never the toughest team on their schedule and they play up every year no problem.
DePaul Prep beating Loyola in week 5 would shock the world, ESL beating them is a minor upset.Eastside is going to shock the world on Saturday night 💪
Not according to this thread ☝️☝️☝️DePaul Prep beating Loyola in week 5 would shock the world, ESL beating them is a minor upset.
are you a prophet? Lol I like you style and it’s looking to be true.Eastside is going to shock the world on Saturday night 💪
They get good nutrition from penalties?I didn’t say they weren’t good, just nutritious for penalties and it hurts them, especially when MC beat them last year…..and in 2018…..and in 2017.
Apparently they did tonight! High in Protein it seems!They get good nutrition from penalties?
Turned out to be a track meet.In a track meet I got ESL, in this game I got LA , I will say ESL is crazy fast. Week 0 against SHG wasn't fair! they beat the breaks off them penalties or not 40-42 LA , A missed 2pt conversion will hurt the flyers.
I love to watch ESL. What a great program. However, some of the discipline issues appear to be a fair criticism. I mean, why else would they have such trouble with Cary Groves wishbone/veer attack when ESL has 3x the talent. Because they lack discipline. I can’t comment on last year‘s state title game because I missed it. However, I was in attendance a few years ago against Cary Grove in DeKalb and there’s no question penalties cost them the trophy.I love how people like to pile on ESL for penalties lol 😂 They sure do win a LOT of games and big trophies for being sooooo undisciplined 🏆
obtw there Clubber Lang .... Sunkett doesn't duck anyone. Hands down one of the best coaches and 5A programs in the state. The MC's and Loyola's are never the toughest team on their schedule and they play up every year no problem.
If Cary Grove beats Prairie Ridge is it because of lack of discipline on behalf of PR?I love to watch ESL. What a great program. However, some of the discipline issues appear to be a fair criticism. I mean, why else would they have such trouble with Cary Groves wishbone/veer attack when ESL has 3x the talent. Because they lack discipline. I can’t comment on last year‘s state title game because I missed it. However, I was in attendance a few years ago against Cary Grove in DeKalb and there’s no question penalties cost them the trophy.
Tough to criticize after that performance Saturday though… Wow. It will be a decade before Loyola gets beat down like that again. Can’t wait to see ESL versus IMG. Will be rooting hard for them.
If Cary Grove beats Prairie Ridge is it because of lack of discipline on behalf of PR?
National schedule is irrelevant to the discussion.ESL plays a national schedule, just whooped Loyola yet can’t beat Cary Grove.
Your hypothetical does not apply here. PR and CG have a similar talent level.
ESL is leaps and bounds in terms of talent above CG, but they clearly cannot handle the triple option. That is not a Jimmy and Joe’s problem.
Do you think if they replayed last years state title game but Cary Grove ran a modern high school offense that CG wins the game? If your answer to that question is no, well then you just proved my point.
Ironically I felt that ESTL played pretty solid defense in last year's state title game....allowed 199 yards total yards rushing and as we know it was one huge drive to win the games for CG otherwise I thought that was the best effort Ive seen for ESTL against the tripleI love to watch ESL. What a great program. However, some of the discipline issues appear to be a fair criticism. I mean, why else would they have such trouble with Cary Groves wishbone/veer attack when ESL has 3x the talent. Because they lack discipline. I can’t comment on last year‘s state title game because I missed it. However, I was in attendance a few years ago against Cary Grove in DeKalb and there’s no question penalties cost them the trophy.
Tough to criticize after that performance Saturday though… Wow. It will be a decade before Loyola gets beat down like that again. Can’t wait to see ESL versus IMG. Will be rooting hard for them.
I felt the same way.Ironically I felt that ESTL played pretty solid defense in last year's state title game....allowed 199 yards total yards rushing and as we know it was one huge drive to win the games for CG otherwise I thought that was the best effort Ive seen for ESTL against the triple
So often on this board, we perceive the ability of players by how they are judged by recruiters at the college level, instead of judging them as high school players. There are certainly great 3-5 star athletes that are great high school players, but there is also a certain amount that are judged based on their potential and measurables, rather than their ability to play the game at the HS level.He further states: "ESL is extremely talented in their offense... ". By using the word "talented" the suggestion is that they benefit from a high level of natural ability. I do not disagree with that conclusion either. I do not propose to prove the point, but it seems to me East St. Louis has (over the years) sent considerably more athletes to Power Five (now Power Four) Conference teams than Cary-Grove has. East St. Louis has produced more three-star, four-star, and occasionally even five-star athletes than Cary-Grove has.
Considering ESL doesn’t have a hockey team, I would say Cary Grove.National schedule is irrelevant to the discussion.
How did you determine CG and PR have similar talent?
How did you determine ESL's talent is leaps and bounds above CG?
If instead of football CG and ESL got on the ice and played hockey who wins the game?
I'm not sure if, with this message, you are agreeing or disagreeing with my post. Either way, I agree with what you have written here.So often on this board, we perceive the ability of players by how they are judged by recruiters at the college level, instead of judging them as high school players. There are certainly great 3-5 star athletes that are great high school players, but there is also a certain amount that are judged based on their potential and measurables, rather than their ability to play the game at the HS level.
CG has a lot of really good HS players that run a system that plays to their strengths, and since it is different than what most teams see, week in and week out, it adds to their strength. And success breeds success., from the JR levels on up.
Does ESL have more database kids? Absolutely. But what does that actually measure? Typically height, weight, 40 time etc.The overall skill level is very similar in my view, though the style of play is (of course) very different.
I still don't know what you mean by talent level. I don't know that I disagree or agree with your assessment of the talent level of CG and PR. To me, the teams tend to play very competitive games against each other so my assumption is that the talent level is similar.Considering ESL doesn’t have a hockey team, I would say Cary Grove.
I made that determination about CG and PR because I was a high school football official for many years. If you disagree about the comparison, I would be all ears.
ESL’s talent is objectively leaps and bounds above virtually anyone, anywhere. Loyola coach said himself he’s never seen speed like that. This is not a knock on Cary Grove. I thought it was awesome when they won last year.
CG clearly is talented and they all run that offense from second grade on. They execute it to perfection. It’s awesome. I just think CG is a matchup problem scheme wise for ESL more than anything. They have ESL’s number, but I don’t think they could compete nationally like ESL does. Just my opinion. Personally, I’m proud to have both teams in the IHSA.
This. CG is 56-11 with 3 championships in the last 6 seasons. They ain't doing it with smoke and mirrors.Does ESL have more database kids? Absolutely. But what does that actually measure? Typically height, weight, 40 time etc.
I'm not buying that CG or any team making it to the championship game did it with a bunch of bad athletes that aren't skilled on football. So I agree with your final sentence which to me is the point.
I'm agreeing with you, but wanted to make the point that so many times we judge HS players on how they are recruited, rather than their play on the field.I'm not sure if, with this message, you are agreeing or disagreeing with my post. Either way, I agree with what you have written here.
In my post, I referred to the star system and college recruiting as a measure of talent (natural athletic ability), not as a measure of overall high school football playing ability. Football playing ability can also be developed through training (weights and conditioning) and practice. When, as you put it, players are "judged based on their potential and measurables," it is their talent level that is being judged.
It is my contention, which is just one man's opinion, that as a program East St. Louis's teams generally have more talent than Cary-Grove's teams. The overall skill level is very similar in my view, though the style of play is (of course) very different.