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BREAKING: IHSA approves all 8 Classes to be seeded 1-32

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IHSA February Board of Directors Meeting Recap

The Illinois High School Association (IHSA) Board of Directors met for its regularly scheduled meeting, which included both virtual and in-person attendance, on Monday, February 7, 2022, where the Board approved three action items and reviewed Term & Condition recommendations for a variety of fall sports.


ACTION ITEMS
1. The Board approved a recommendation from the IHSA esports Advisory Committee to adjust the early rounds of Rocket League be played in a best of three format to ease with the administration of state series tournaments. The committee recommended that when six teams remain in the sectional and state final tournaments, the remainder of the competition be played in a best of five format. Playing an entire tournament in a best of five format would have the potential to create a significantly long day, particularly given the number of entries expected in each sectional tournament.

2. The Board approved a recommendation from the IHSA Sports Medicine Advisory Committee to update the IHSA’s COVID-19 Return to Play Procedures. The IHSA COVID-19 Return to Play Procedures are a best-practice document designed to help IHSA schools navigate returning to activities for their student athletes, however, schools’ are able to use their own local policies. The updated IHSA Return to Play Procedures can be found here.

3. The Board approved a recommendation to approve the Board of Directors meeting dates for the 2022-23 school year on the following dates:
-Monday, August 22, 2022
-Monday, September 12, 2022
-Wednesday, October 12, 2022
-Wednesday, December 7, 2022
-Wednesday, January 11, 2023
-Monday, February 6, 2023
-Saturday, March 11, 2023
-Tuesday, April 11, 2023
-Monday, June 12, 2023


ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS
Minutes from all Advisory Committees can be viewed by clicking here.

1. The Board approved the consent items, from the Advisory Committees in the following sports & activities and groups: Cross Country, Golf, Lacrosse, Tennis, Volleyball, Football, Athletes with Disabilities.

Consent items are recommendations that received approval from the sport/activity advisory committee, the Athletic Administrators Advisory Committee and the IHSA staff. Consent items can be viewed by clicking here.

Some consent items of note:
Boys Lacrosse
1. Sectional Quarterfinal games may begin on Wednesday of Week 46.

Girls Volleyball
1. Earliest Regional start time moved from 5:30 PM to 6:00 PM.

One non-consent item was approved:
Football
1. The Board approved 1-32 playoff seeding in the Class 1A through Class 6A playoffs. Class 7A and Class 8A were previously seeded 1-32.


APPEALS & ELIGIBILITY RULINGS
1. The Board sustained the Executive Director’s ruling on a student from Arlington Heights (St. Viator). The student was ruled ineligible for non-compliance with IHSA By-law 3.040 and its sub-sections.

2. The Board sustained the Executive Director’s ruling on a student from Aurora (A. Christian). The student was not granted a fifth year of eligibility.


DISCUSSION ITEMS
At each meeting of the Board of Directors, there are certain items the Board discusses, but upon which no action is taken, or that action may not be required. The following is a report of those items from the February 7, 2022, agenda:

1. The IHSA Board of Directors discussed the Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) issued by the 7th Judicial Circuit Court on February 4, 2022. The Board discussed its applicability for IHSA State Series events and given the fluidity of the situation, is consulting its legal counsel, while also monitoring the appeal proceedings on the initial ruling. The IHSA will communicate how State Series events should be handled relative to this ruling in the next 24 to 48 hours. Regular-season contest mitigations shall continue to be determined by the host school.

2. The Board of Directors discussed the future of 8-man football and an IHSA playoff for the sport. The IHSA Football Advisory Committee recommended that the IHSA begin an 8-man football playoff and state championship in 2023. The Board is generally supportive of that idea, but did not officially act on it. The Board has requested more details from the advisory committee and IHSA staff on an IHSA 8-man football state series prior to any action, including playoff qualifier numbers, a playoff schedule, number of classes, and school enrollment limitations for participating in 8-man.

3. The IHSA will be represented at IDEAcon to promote the IHSA esports State Series.

4. The Executive Director has been appointed to serve a three-year term on the Board of Directors for Council on Standards for International Educational Travel (CSIET).

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Excuse my ignorance on this matter as MC and other teams I follow are normally in 7A and 8A, but how were those lower classes normally seeded?
 
I like it. Surprised this was enacted. Hadn't heard much on this recently.

One thing that may come out of it is less Friday night games early in the playoffs due to the expected increased travel for some of the early round games.
 
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The biggest winner today is that 1A conference out by Galena that dominates now those teams have a chance to match up against each other in the State Championship.
 
There just needs to be a formula that takes more into consideration.
 
That would be a disaster.

Coaches voting tends to be bad in a sectional complex that you know about two months in advance in basketball. Having a couple hours to seed teams from across the state would just be dart throwing.
No it wouldn’t. The current system is only used in football and rewards teams for having the least amount of losses. Many teams schedule games to get to 5 or 6 wins. The system leads to teams be incorrectly seeded and the entire bracket being lopsided. Look at 7A this year. No way that ends up looking like it did with so human input.

Many of the other sports set the playoff matchups weeks before the end of the regular season so things can change. Also the sectionals are pretty much the same every year so teams have to win those 4 games to advance out of their area. In football it is statewide from the first round.
 
No it wouldn’t. The current system is only used in football and rewards teams for having the least amount of losses. Many teams schedule games to get to 5 or 6 wins. The system leads to teams be incorrectly seeded and the entire bracket being lopsided. Look at 7A this year. No way that ends up looking like it did with so human input.

Many of the other sports set the playoff matchups weeks before the end of the regular season so things can change. Also the sectionals are pretty much the same every year so teams have to win those 4 games to advance out of their area. In football it is statewide from the first round.

Very few football coaches pay attention to anyone outside of their conference and schedule. You really think the coaches at Crystal Lake Central have any idea how to properly seed Washington or vice versa?
 
No it wouldn’t. The current system is only used in football and rewards teams for having the least amount of losses. Many teams schedule games to get to 5 or 6 wins. The system leads to teams be incorrectly seeded and the entire bracket being lopsided. Look at 7A this year. No way that ends up looking like it did with so human input.

Many of the other sports set the playoff matchups weeks before the end of the regular season so things can change. Also the sectionals are pretty much the same every year so teams have to win those 4 games to advance out of their area. In football it is statewide from the first round.
The problem is every team makes the playoffs in other sports so coaches have time to think about it and seed. Football you don't know who's in until 5pm Saturday and draw is only a few hours later.
 
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Overall, I like this change, but it makes me happy that I live in the middle of the state. This opens up Northern and Southern Illinois schools to some epic potential road trips. I looked at the 2021 brackets for 1A-6A. Not sure if these would be the longest to travel in each but here is 1 possible future matchup for each class based on 2021 qualifiers:

6A Wauconda vs East St Louis (Approximately 310 miles)
5A Boylan vs Carbondale (Approximately 380 miles)
4A Richmond Burton vs Carterville (Approximately 390 miles)
3A IC Catholic vs DuQuoin (Approximately 315 miles)
2A Aledo vs Chester (Approximately 270 miles)
1A Lena Winslow vs Sesser Valier (Approximately 385 miles)
 
Here is what 5A would have looked like last year if I did it correct(I'd guess Fenwick vs Naz or Fenwick vs Kankakee title game)


#1 Kankakee vs #32 Chicago Noble/Bulls
#16 Chicago Brooks vs #17 Evergreen Park


#8 Chicago Goode vs #25 Nazareth Academy
#9 Triad vs #24 Chicago St. Patrick

#4 Mascoutah vs #29 Jacksonville
#13 Peoria vs #20 Marmion Academy

#5 Glenbard South vs #28 Dunlap
#12 Rochelle vs #21 Chicago Payton

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#2 Morris vs #31 Carbondale
#15 Morgan Park vs #18 Sycamore

#7 Fenwick vs #26 Kaneland
#10 Morton vs #23 Hillcrest

#3 Mahomet-Seymour vs #30 Lasalle-Peru
#14 Chicago Noble/Comer vs #19 Boylan Catholic

#6 Marion vs #27 Metamora
#11 Sterling vs #22 Highland
 
Awe shucks. I actually liked the 6A-1A being geographic, wouldnt let it happen to me though lol
 
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Overall, I like this change, but it makes me happy that I live in the middle of the state. This opens up Northern and Southern Illinois schools to some epic potential road trips. I looked at the 2021 brackets for 1A-6A. Not sure if these would be the longest to travel in each but here is 1 possible future matchup for each class based on 2021 qualifiers:

6A Wauconda vs East St Louis (Approximately 310 miles)
5A Boylan vs Carbondale (Approximately 380 miles)
4A Richmond Burton vs Carterville (Approximately 390 miles)
3A IC Catholic vs DuQuoin (Approximately 315 miles)
2A Aledo vs Chester (Approximately 270 miles)
1A Lena Winslow vs Sesser Valier (Approximately 385 miles)
All.... I had several people call me last night when they heard about the change. Now I was having some cold ones and ran numbers in last years 4A 32 postseason teams. I did some quick figures. So maybe they are right or not so much..... lol. Anyway. Here are a few round one games. I stopped when I got to SHG. Ratsy.

#32 Cahokia (5-4) @ #1 JCA (9-0)
#31 Salem (5-4) @ #2 Richmond Burton (9-0)
#30 Columbia (5-4) @ #3 Kewanee (8-1)
#29 Olney (5-4) @ #4 Breese Central (8-1) (If they win the coin flip against Rochester)
#28 Harrisburg (5-4) @ #5 Rochester (8-1) (Rockets win the flip they switch with Breese)
#27 Marengo (5-4) @ #6 G. Kingston (8-1)
#26 Chicago (Sullivan) (6-3) @ #7 Sacred Heart-Griffin (8-1)
 
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All.... I had several people call me last night when they heard about the change. Now I was having some cold ones and ran numbers in last years 4A 32 postseason teams. I did some quick figures. So maybe they are right or not so much..... lol. Anyway. Here are a few round one games. I stopped when I got to SHG. Ratsy.

#32 Cahokia (5-4) @ #1 JCA (9-0)
#31 Salem (5-4) @ #2 Richmond Burton (9-0)
#30 Columbia (5-4) @ #3 Kewanee (8-1)
#29 Olney (5-4) @ #4 Breese Central (8-1) (If they win the coin flip against Rochester)
#28 Harrisburg (5-4) @ #5 Rochester (8-1) (Rockets win the flip they switch with Breese)
#27 Marengo (5-4) @ #6 G. Kingston (8-1)
#26 Chicago (Sullivan) (6-3) @ #7 Sacred Heart-Griffin (8-1)
You mean you stopped when you realized SHG and/or Rochester get taken out by JCA before the title game....
 
The problem is every team makes the playoffs in other sports so coaches have time to think about it and seed. Football you don't know who's in until 5pm Saturday and draw is only a few hours later.
Maybe they could come up with a selection committee for each class. Anything is better than the point system. ESL was clearly one of the top seeds but was penalized for playing out of state, nationally ranked opponents. I don’t think Glenbard West basketball is going to drop in seeding because it lost to Sierra Canyon .
 
Simple solution, use an RPI that takes into account number of wins, defeated opponent wins, and opponent wins. Several states use a formula like this for seeding.
 
All you are adding is defeated wins here.
Forgot to add a weight for each one. For example, in North Carolina, they use the following formula:
RPI = (.25 Winning %) + (.50 x Opponent Win %) + (.25 x Opponents' Opponents Winning %)

Using what the IHSA currently uses, you could easily adopt a similar RPI Rating to

RPI = (1 x Wins) + (.50 x Defeated Opponent Wins) + (.25 x Opponent Wins)
 
Maybe they could come up with a selection committee for each class. Anything is better than the point system. ESL was clearly one of the top seeds but was penalized for playing out of state, nationally ranked opponents. I don’t think Glenbard West basketball is going to drop in seeding because it lost to Sierra Canyon .
Could not disagree more. Any human element introduces more issues (bia and lack of knowledge about the rest of the class in particular) to ever consider that. Hell, the BCS and the endless debate is proof of that. What they have has it's drawback, but be the best, and win the damn games and it doesn't matter.
 
Could not disagree more. Any human element introduces more issues (bia and lack of knowledge about the rest of the class in particular) to ever consider that. Hell, the BCS and the endless debate is proof of that. What they have has it's drawback, but be the best, and win the damn games and it doesn't matter.
In most sports yes but football takes a lot more out of you. That 7A top bracket was a meat grinder and the bottom was a cake walk. St. Rita would have lost to a handful of those teams in the top half of the bracket.

If you can come up with a computer system that makes sense and eliminates humans then I am all for it but the current playoff points thing is dumb. Also the BCS was primarily computer based but was only slotting 2 teams. A lot different with 32 teams
 
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Overall, I like this change, but it makes me happy that I live in the middle of the state. This opens up Northern and Southern Illinois schools to some epic potential road trips. I looked at the 2021 brackets for 1A-6A. Not sure if these would be the longest to travel in each but here is 1 possible future matchup for each class based on 2021 qualifiers:

6A Wauconda vs East St Louis (Approximately 310 miles)
5A Boylan vs Carbondale (Approximately 380 miles)
4A Richmond Burton vs Carterville (Approximately 390 miles)
3A IC Catholic vs DuQuoin (Approximately 315 miles)
2A Aledo vs Chester (Approximately 270 miles)
1A Lena Winslow vs Sesser Valier (Approximately 385 miles)
ESL travels well. Hell they went to California last season.
 
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