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Sure seems like Poles' was given a mandate to win now. They should be in a position now to take the best available player at 10, regardless of position. I'd still like to see them stick with both lines. RB seems like a likelihood with one of their top 3 picks. Wonder if TE is a possibility early too.
Draft top level OL to groom with the vets. This is the year to shore up the line. . LSU guy or Mizzo guy. There are plenty of RB and Receivers in the later rounds.
Unless there is something you cannot pass on, if the offer to trade back presents itself I think you take it and add the pick(s).
That is my opinion but I will not be upset if they take D or O line with 10 if they keep it. I think the kid from North Dakota State would be a perfect later rd 1 OL to draft...if he is there.
You don't draft an OL to "groom" him at 10. Anyone taken in the top 10 will be expected to start day 1. They aren't wasting on a top 10 pick on someone they need to develop. If there's an OL they like but isn't as polished as they'd like then that's where you trade back and get him later plus more picks. For example the NDSU kid that SIU mentioned.
Very happy with Dalman, been a long time since we had a top center like Kruetz. He was the #1 FA center. I obviously like Jarret, wasn't expecting him, is he going to be the dominant force he once was? Probably not but he's a huge upgrade over what we had and from every report a outstanding leader and fan favorite. I'm not really happy the DE from Indy who's name I won't try to spell. He's an upgrade yes, but his stats aren't really exciting, but I'm told his style of play is what Allen is looking for so again, an upgrade of what we had. I give them a solid B+ on the day.
Fields getting another chance to start with the Jets....wish him the best but God this poor guy gets thrusted into some bad situations. He has some good Wrs though
I really like the Dayo signing. Will turn 26 during the season so he's still young and at 6'6", 285 lbs. I love his size. He also hasn't missed a game in 3 years. He should be a great compliment to Sweat.
Groom maybe wrong word. I want a top tier kid that will start and can still learn from these FA pro bowl guys. Ready or not the NFL is different. We went into the FA and draft to fix the line. Stay the course and finish the job by getting a young stud that will be here a while. From what I see we need another starter on the OL.
So, if they draft a top tier kid that can start which pro bowl free agent that they just spent millions on are you sitting on the bench?
We still have a tackle spot open unless you think Jones is a starter. I view him as a backup.
I think Jones is a starter and any of the guys they would draft at 10 don't project as NFL tackles.
Yes, the #1 priority was shoring up the OL. specifically IOL, during the offseason. The beauty of what they have done so far is they used trades and FA. Add in the fact that they shored up the #2 biggest need, DL, during FA. Now you have 3 top 50 picks with one of them being #10 with your top two needs taken care of. They have so much flexibility now. Now if you don't like B.Jones at LT that is your opinion and I respect it but I think he will "seem" much better with a very solid IOL now. I said "seem" because he wasn't the issue last year.
Edit: I missed you saying we need a LT.
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I don't see Jones as a starter either. I do like the flexibility the Bears now have in the draft, as SIU alluded to above. No idea what direction they will go in. I'd like to see them trade back from #10 and accumulate more picks. They need to start getting some young guys (Olinemen) in the pipeline to groom. And they could get quality Olinemen, a RB and a TE later in this draft. Not sure anyone would want to give up much to move up to #10, though.
I think they underlaying point is they put themselves in the envious position of not having to draft a certain position, obviously there are spots to fill but you understand the point. If they get something that falls and they can't pass up that value they can jump on it or trade and acquire more assets.
Regarding Jones, I think they are counting on having a stronger OL unit that will make him better. When the overall unit is strong you can help much easier when there is a menace of a pass rusher etc. Sure, we can find video of Jones missing blocks but what I saw was Caleb never being able to step up if he felt pressure from the outside. If Jones is the weakest of the OL I think they are in good shape.
We all have our opinions that’s what this board is about. I believe Jones is a back up on most teams. We started this offseason needing to rebuild the OL and so far the Bears have done a good job. My opinion is to finish the job because we still have a weakness at tackle. If they don’t shore it up we will most likely be complaining about him during the season.
Generally agree, but I think that corey's point is still well taken if you don't get too hung up on the word "groom." You can still draft an OL guy in the top 10 and have him learn from quality veteran OL players who surround him.
I would say now they are not drafting any OL at 10 they don't think is a starting LT from day 1 beating out Jones. They are not drafting anyone that projects as a guard at 10. Now later in R1 or R2 sure, not at 10.
Two questions about Jones assuming he continues as a starter:
1. How much better, if at all, does Jones become playing on a vastly improved OL?
2. If he stays the same and doesn't get any worse, how much will it matter given that the OL as a whole is vastly improved?
I think it's more along the lines of his play will be improved with a vastly improved OL. Is it because he "got better" or "players around him are better" doesn't really matter IMO. I believe his performance will be better. Maybe it's because he can get more help with a chip or reach block, maybe he can focus more on his responsibility with more stability around him or maybe Caleb has more confidence with what is in front of him his play helps....it could be all of the above.
1. He’s had some injuries and has been in the league awhile. I don’t see him getting any better.
2. IMO, it matters because he has difficulty anchoring and gets blown back into Caleb’s blind side too often. He’s a backup IMO.
I haven't gone over every post in this endless thread so sorry if it's been asked and answered but is Jones even going to be ready for this year physically and will be effective. He had a pretty serious injury for a man his size to spring back from
Haven't heard anything saying he wouldn't be good to go. Only offseason injury concern is Brisker.
He is injury prone and he had a serious injury. He may not be 100%. IMO he is a back up even when healthy. You can’t hide a weakness at LT. if we don’t find someone it will be a problem.
That is a fair question. Not much new news on that front but the report was full recover and ready for season. I remember reading that he did dodge a bullet with it not being as serious as it could have been.
Depending on how draft and FA shakes out I wouldn't mind if they brought back Matt Pryor for depth. He can play anywhere minus center and was decent when in lineup for a back up.
You can say he's a backup, but his rankings at the position say otherwise. He ranks as a top 20 tackle in the league and with better support around him his game will likely improve as well.
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LOL, ya I've had that PFF list open in my browser all week.You can say he's a backup, but his rankings at the position say otherwise. He ranks as a top 20 tackle in the league and with better support around him his game will likely improve as well.
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The people that think Jones is a back up will never come off that it seems, even when metrics say otherwise.
I think part of the reason they think that is more mental than fact based since he was a 5th round pick from Southern Utah versus a high round pick from a power 4 conference.
To be fair, PFF is moderately reliable, at best. For example, they say Saquon was the 10th best back this year.
Fair that it’s not the end all be all but 20th and back up are very different.
Very true, but it's hard to find other outlets that rank OL.
You also have to know how they actually measure it. Eagles had the top ranked OL per PFF, they rank RBs based on what the RB can control or at least that is their objective. So it kinda hurts Barkley a bit cause he can’t control that his OL was ranked the best and what benefits come with that.
I know I said I would prefer they stick to the game plan and draft a top stud offensive lineman. That said I really like RB Jeanty and wouldn’t be upset with the pick if they draft him. I think he is going to the real deal. That said OL first if you can get one of the top 3. Jeanty will most likely be gone at #10 and no way would I trade up to get him especially if 1 of the 3 OL is available.
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