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This season and the current state of the team and franchise is a dumpster fire. The fans chanting for the sale of the team had it right. Unfortunately, Bear fans are stuck with the McCaskeys. They aren’t going anywhere, and you can bet they will botch future decisions on the coaching hire etc.
Isn't there not one Rocky Wirtz among the great-great-granchild or in-law pool?
 
Between Carroll and Rivera, Carroll seems to have a more extensive coaching tree, whereas Rivera's is nearly non-existent. Thus id feel more comfortable with a Carroll succession plan or coach in waiting.
 
Just looking at your last sentence. Were Trestman, Fox, Nagy and Eberflus long term solutions? No. They weren't even short term solutions. I think Carroll has to be in the conversation. If he is a short term solution, so be it. If he can put the team on the right track, so be it. If he can get them into the playoffs in a three year span, so be it. It would be much more than anyone has seen in years.
This is not the way to go about it. This search is all about Williams and his career growth. You get Carroll for 3 years and he retires then someone else comes in. That means Williams would have had 4 head coaches in his first 5 years.
 
Between Carroll and Rivera, Carroll seems to have a more extensive coaching tree, whereas Rivera's is nearly non-existent. Thus id feel more comfortable with a Carroll succession plan or coach in waiting.
I hope neither of these two are even considered.
 
This is not the way to go about it. This search is all about Williams and his career growth. You get Carroll for 3 years and he retires then someone else comes in. That means Williams would have had 4 head coaches in his first 5 years.
...unless they trade Williams for more draft capital and start fresh with a new coach. Then they can hire whatever coach they want without having to limit their search to suit Williams' career growth.

The idea was not mine. I read it somewhere, and I'm warming up to it.

They pretty much need to rebuild their entire Oline with the possible exception of Wright. Do we really want to see Williams back there next season with a very young and inexperienced line in front of him? No thanks.

I argued last year that they should have kept Fields, traded down and acquired more draft capital, and then bring in some young studs on the Oline. They still need the Oline. Badly. Makes zero sense to have a young stud at QB that you can't protect.
 
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...unless they trade Williams for more draft capital and start fresh with a new coach. Then they can hire whatever coach they want without having to limit their search to suit Williams' career growth.

The idea was not mine. I read it somewhere, and I'm warming up to it.

They pretty much need to rebuild their entire Oline with the possible exception of Wright. Do we really want to see Williams back there next season with a very young and inexperienced line in front of him? No thanks.

I argued last year that they should have kept Fields, traded down and acquired more draft capital, and then bring in some young studs on the Oline. They still need the Oline. Badly. Makes zero sense to have a young stud at QB that you can't protect.
Ya, they are not trading him.
 
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They pretty much need to rebuild their entire Oline with the possible exception of Wright. Do we really want to see Williams back there next season with a very young and inexperienced line in front of him? No thanks.

I argued last year that they should have kept Fields, traded down and acquired more draft capital, and then bring in some young studs on the Oline. They still need the Oline. Badly. Makes zero sense to have a young stud at QB that you can't protect.

The Steelers are starting 2 rookies on the OL. Neither were 1st rounders One was a 4th rounder from an FCS school. Neither have given up a sack all year. Playing rookies is over rated.

Our culture sucks and our evaluation of OL talent sucks.

The Bears are just idiots at everything they do.
 
This is not the way to go about it. This search is all about Williams and his career growth. You get Carroll for 3 years and he retires then someone else comes in. That means Williams would have had 4 head coaches in his first 5 years.
Who's to say this won't happen regardless of who the Bears choose? You choose the best man for the job. How many Bears coaches can you name who were long term answers in your lifetime? How about short term answers? YES, the search is about Williams and his career growth. But it is also, and more, about the growth of the team. Doesn't matter how much Williams "growth" is if the guys around him continue to suck and the coaches around the team continue to suck.

I may have missed it in the posts. But who is your pick to hire as HC?
 
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Who's to say this won't happen regardless of who the Bears choose? You choose the best man for the job. How many Bears coaches can you name who were long term answers in your lifetime? How about short term answers? YES, the search is about Williams and his career growth. But it is also, and more, about the growth of the team. Doesn't matter how much Williams "growth" is if the guys around him continue to suck and the coaches around the team continue to suck.

I may have missed it in the posts. But who is your pick to hire as HC?
When it comes down to it the NFL is a business and Williams is the Bears biggest investment He will be the main topic of discussion in every interview, whether you think it's right or not.
My list hasn't changed from when they were last looking. Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury, Bobby Slowik, and possibly Aaron Glenn.
 
Is it me or does it look like our receivers especially Moore and Allen are playing half speed? It seems if they know the play is going to them they take the play off. Our two top receivers who don’t have break away speed.
Trick play Keenan Allen throws a pick and then puts his hands in is hand warmer during the run back. Anybody else see this stupid lazy stuff.
 
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Trick play Keenan Allen throws a pick and then puts his hands in is hand warmer during the run back. Anybody else see this stupid lazy stuff.
The WR group has played half speed all year.

Focus in on their blocking if you really want to get worked up.
 
Bears probably can scratch Mike Vrabel off their candidates list as the Patriots have fired Jared Mayo after just one season. If what I have heard, Kraft hired Mayo before the Titans fired Vrabel or else he would have been the pick a year ago.
 
What an extreme void for the Packer defense to leave in the middle on the last Bear completion to the single receiver side. I can see tilting the secondary to the boundary given the offensive formation and time situation, but they overly abused that privilege. Such an easy pitch-and-catch was the result.
Also, I would imagine the GB offense wishes to have put more thought into their final 2nd and 3rd down play calls, including at least consuming more time running to the sideline, at least once. All they turned out needing was 2 more seconds of elapsed time to end the game.
The Bears tried to give the game away at the end, but the Pack were not takers today.
 
Probably an unpopular opinion here after this season but the Bears, OUTSIDE OF 4 of the OLinemen, have talent....they have been just extremely poorly coached, managed, and motivated. The play calling, the clock management, the decisions....all of it just horrible.
But they have a lot of talent, OL excluded. They need some immediate proven talent on the OL via Free Agency and not some guy who started half a season 3 years ago, some guy who once was good but now is 38, and not some guy who has talent but wasn't utilized properly....go get 2 OL from FA with proven resumes. Then in the first round draft the best Edge or dominate DL at # 10 unless the best OL falls to #10. Then with the early second round picks go OL and OL again (unless #10 was spent on a OL, then go OL, DL/Edge.....

They are strong at QB, WR, TE and Swift is a solid RB that will benefit from a better OL and play caller, they can use a better 2nd RB although Johnson is serviceable minus the Spaceballs Helmet.

They are weak at an Edge spot, and could use another DL, but LBs are strong despite Sanborn being switched to a situational LB. DBs are also Solid and will be even better when/if Brisker ever comes back....

Kicker is real good and Punter a future All Pro.

Get a damn coach that can lead, and coordinators with proven visions. Well hope for better next year, if not we always have High School Football
 
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Probably an unpopular opinion here after this season but the Bears, OUTSIDE OF 4 of the OLinemen, have talent....they have been just extremely poorly coached, managed, and motivated. The play calling, the clock management, the decisions....all of it just horrible.
But they have a lot of talent, OL excluded. They need some immediate proven talent on the OL via Free Agency and not some guy who started half a season 3 years ago, some guy who once was good but now is 38, and not some guy who has talent but wasn't utilized properly....go get 2 OL from FA with proven resumes. Then in the first round draft the best Edge or dominate DL at # 10 unless the best OL falls to #10. Then with the early second round picks go OL and OL again (unless #10 was spent on a OL, then go OL, DL/Edge.....

They are strong at QB, WR, TE and Swift is a solid RB that will benefit from a better OL and play caller, they can use a better 2nd RB although Johnson is serviceable minus the Spaceballs Helmet.

They are weak at an Edge spot, and could use another DL, but LBs are strong despite Sanborn being switched to a situational LB. DBs are also Solid and will be even better when/if Brisker ever comes back....

Kicker is real good and Punter a future All Pro.

Get a damn coach that can lead, and coordinators with proven visions. Well hope for better next year, if not we always have High School Football
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It's not just the coaching. It's above that. It's ownership and management and talent identification.

Given how Fields was running for his life the past few years, how did the Bears not know that their OLine was an effing sieve these past few years when they have been accumulating draft picks and signing FA talent? How have they not addressed this pressing need for years? YEARS!
 
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It's not just the coaching. It's above that. It's ownership and management and talent identification.

Given how Fields was running for his life the past few years, how did the Bears not know that their OLine was an effing sieve thesee past few years when they have been accumulating draft picks and signing FA talent? How have they not addressed this pressing need for years? YEARS!
The post I agreed with said.......the Bears, OUTSIDE OF 4 of the OLinemen, have talent
 
The post I agreed with said.......the Bears, OUTSIDE OF 4 of the OLinemen, have talent
I know, but I'm saying that's not the only thing that needs fixing. Organizationally, the Bears are light years behind the curve. Since George McCaskey took over the chairmanship from his brother Mike in 2011, the Bears have made the playoffs just once. That's abysmal.
 
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It's not just the coaching. It's above that. It's ownership and management and talent identification.

Given how Fields was running for his life the past few years, how did the Bears not know that their OLine was an effing sieve thesee past few years when they have been accumulating draft picks and signing FA talent? How have they not addressed this pressing need for years? YEARS!
They didn't commit high assets to it, but they tried to address it and that might be even worse. IMO, they got too cute and thought they could sign guys like Davis/Bates/Shelton, drafted Amegadjie in R3 when you knew he wasn't gonna be ready in year 1 and had Jenkins who they know can't stay healthy. These are just the ones that popped into my head, I might have missed a move or two. They used assets on skill guys and thought they could outsmart the league with under the radar guys on OL.
 
They didn't commit high assets to it, but they tried to address it and that might be even worse. IMO, they got too cute and thought they could sign guys like Davis/Bates/Shelton, drafted Amegadjie in R3 when you knew he wasn't gonna be ready in year 1 and had Jenkins who they know can't stay healthy. These are just the ones that popped into my head, I might have missed a move or two. They used assets on skill guys and thought they could outsmart the league with under the radar guys on OL.
Don't forget Wright, who they drafted high two years ago, and who has been underwhelming so far.
 
It's not just the coaching. It's above that. It's ownership and management and talent identification.

Given how Fields was running for his life the past few years, how did the Bears not know that their OLine was an effing sieve thesee past few years when they have been accumulating draft picks and signing FA talent? How have they not addressed this pressing need for years? YEARS!
He went to the scrap yard and got some cheap FA's and hoped they would work, they didn't. He needs to pay up and proven Veteran talent in FA.
 
When it comes down to it the NFL is a business and Williams is the Bears biggest investment He will be the main topic of discussion in every interview, whether you think it's right or not.
See? This is the crap you do when talking to anyone on this board, You make comments. Then when someone calls you on that comment, or those comments, you adjust it or change it to make yourself look better. You said this is all about Williams. Then I said it is more than just that. Now you say he is the "main" topic when I say it isn't all about him. If you has said that in the beginning it would have made more sense.

And I will ask you again. WHO do you think the Bears should hire as the new HC? Don't sit there and say "no, not that guy. No, not that guy either." Name someone. And, when are you going to admit you were wrong about the Bears being a playoff team this year? Is your little ego that fragile?
 
Wright is solid as a RT.
I wish I shared that opinion, but I think he is average. Kind sad that his only redeeming quality is that he is durable. I'm not saying the Bears should get rid of him or give up on him. More like I wish he were developing quicker into fulfilling the potential we were sold on draft day 2023.
 
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