jha618 said:

The guys doing well in the league now are largely Lovies guys. Which is shocking considering how much people used to say lovie couldn't recruit. Im very skeptical BB will ever recruit at a level to get Illinois over the hump.

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Lovie looked at recruiting like the combine… it was boom or bust. He was a bad college head coach.

BB got Illinois over the hump this year… 9 wins and beat Michigan, what more could Illinois fans want?

BB best recruiting has been player retention he really hasn’t lost anyone worthwhile thus far to the portal.

brucealmighy said:

Keep thinking that way Corey. Illinois is starting to put players in the NFL that are producing. Several corners and safeties having great seasons with Joseph leading the league in interceptions. Chase Brown is stacking games for the Bengals. Bielema was not going to overpay for an unproven player. McVay only has about 90 snaps and the tape is not great. Definitely a lot of potential but nothing close to a sure thing.

Illinois did sign the only quarterback that has beaten Notre Dame this season. And they did beat Michigan unlike the team from Columbus that spent $20 million on their roster.

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To be fair seemed like NIU was ready to move on from him before he entered the portal.

brucealmighy said:

Keep thinking that way Corey. Illinois is starting to put players in the NFL that are producing. Several corners and safeties having great seasons with Joseph leading the league in interceptions. Chase Brown is stacking games for the Bengals. Bielema was not going to overpay for an unproven player. McVay only has about 90 snaps and the tape is not great. Definitely a lot of potential but nothing close to a sure thing.

Illinois did sign the only quarterback that has beaten Notre Dame this season. And they did beat Michigan unlike the team from Columbus that spent $20 million on their roster.

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The guys doing well in the league now are largely Lovies guys. Which is shocking considering how much people used to say lovie couldn't recruit. Im very skeptical BB will ever recruit at a level to get Illinois over the hump.

brucealmighy said:

Keep thinking that way Corey. Illinois is starting to put players in the NFL that are producing. Several corners and safeties having great seasons with Joseph leading the league in interceptions. Chase Brown is stacking games for the Bengals. Bielema was not going to overpay for an unproven player. McVay only has about 90 snaps and the tape is not great. Definitely a lot of potential but nothing close to a sure thing.

Illinois did sign the only quarterback that has beaten Notre Dame this season. And they did beat Michigan unlike the team from Columbus that spent $20 million on their roster.

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The QB they signed handed the ball off 50 times in that game. They didn’t really win solely off his QB play

crusader_of_90 said:

Poor bastard behind him.

Dude - you are in row two?

Well .... I couldn't really see.

WHAT????

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“Poor bastard” behind him is a coach. He will look at the back of his head all night if he McVay commits

crusader_of_90 said:

What do you think of this offense that Althoff used for a decade? Team Offense - set up off-balanced to the right or left. Linemen in pass protection stance. On cadence, the entire team shifts to a new formation, linemen still in Pass Pro stance, third cadence they get set, hand on the ground. Or, they run a play on first sound from the off-balanced formation.

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Nothing wrong with that - smooth and clearly not an intent to simulate the snap.

There’s a reason you don’t see college programs doing that hard snap up/down to draw the the defense offsides and the wording of the rule in both codes are very similar!

Get rid of it!

corey90 said:

Unfortunately that is where the Illini is in the Big 10. They are a doormat even after a better year. No big time program is worried about Illinois.

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Keep thinking that way Corey. Illinois is starting to put players in the NFL that are producing. Several corners and safeties having great seasons with Joseph leading the league in interceptions. Chase Brown is stacking games for the Bengals. Bielema was not going to overpay for an unproven player. McVay only has about 90 snaps and the tape is not great. Definitely a lot of potential but nothing close to a sure thing.

Illinois did sign the only quarterback that has beaten Notre Dame this season. And they did beat Michigan unlike the team from Columbus that spent $20 million on their roster.

I think the thing you aren't taking into account is that good players won't want to spend two years at a JuCo with subpar facilities and coaching and little to no social life just for the chance to have two more years of eligibility which they don't care much about because they are trying to get to the league as soon as possible.

I think more likely is that there is a shuffling of some players. Maybe a few more JuCo players sign with good programs, pushing the high schoolers to lesser schools, which pushes some of the players that would normally end up there to JuCo.

colin2229 said:

Lets not have any contact days either than. Limit practices to only 60min. Nothing on Saturday or Sundays. Only 15 kids can practice at a time....

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I'm listening...

McCaravan said:

Proctor got hurt? That guy committed to Iowa, decommited for Alabama. When Saban left he went in the portal and recommitted to Iowa, then magically went back to Alabama….as far as the ESL linemen, the gamble of committing to big time programs is with so many big time recruits going there, it leaves very little room for error in a program where you can easily plug another 4 or 5 star in. Depending on what there plan is for him I wouldn’t be surprised to see him at Mizzou or maybe Illinois next season. Illini would plug him in right away

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Unfortunately that is where the Illini is in the Big 10. They are a doormat even after a better year. No big time program is worried about Illinois.

brucealmighy said:

Sounds like he is getting 1.5 million to head to UNC. Miles is an earlier portal winner.

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Where do you see that number?

crusader_of_90 said:

That wooshing sound that just swept over the Metro East was the Holy Spirit touching the hearts of many young men who will choose Catholic education.

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See that on the backboard? The whole Trinity came to wish the Belleville West Junior High hoops team congratulations after a recent tourney victory as they prepare for the class L SIJHSAA state tourney. West Jr. High is closer to Althoff than West ... just saying!

Sounds like he is getting 1.5 million to head to UNC. Miles is an earlier portal winner.

Juco kids can still be a wildcard both on and off the field. COD seems to win some sort of national championship each year and I would take 10 kids from the combination of Mt Carmel, Loyola and LWE before anyone from COD. I have a hard time to believe that a summer and fall in south Glen Ellyn turns a kid that is not all conference in high school into an All American.

Also I would be worried about academics and social life based on what that Netflix show displayed. If a kid is struggling academically at a juco, they are going to have a hard time at a Big Ten school. If they are acting too wild in rural Mississippi or Kansas, their head is going to explode when they get to Iowa City, Madison or Oxford, MS.

Snetsrak61 said:

As far as I can tell it's likely hit or miss. I ran 3A and 5A through "Typical" 1-32 seeding and it got the de-facto champ game right (Byron and Montini on opposite sides of bracket), but in 5A it put Naz-JCA in a quarters bracket (along with semifinalist St. Francis). And it's not like it got Byron-Montini as 1-2. Montini was I think 14. So a random win or loss here or there and change in playoff qualifiers/seeding could pretty easily have moved them into a quarter or semi bracket with Byron.

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Yea because of the generic win based seeding method, you’ll almost never get a representative from the CCL that is seeded “correctly,” especially in the middle classes. Even the biggest schools rarely escape that gauntlet without a loss or two.
Montini did get the best of it by being the host for the Byron game despite being a pretty low seed. The semifinal as well FWIW. I’ve noticed over the years that the turf spread teams often seem to be noticeably affected when they have to go play on grass and mud.

doctor_d said:

I see what you are saying. The North-South split has historically been lopsided in favor of the north, although every once in a while the south will get one.

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As far as I can tell it's likely hit or miss. I ran 3A and 5A through "Typical" 1-32 seeding and it got the de-facto champ game right (Byron and Montini on opposite sides of bracket), but in 5A it put Naz-JCA in a quarters bracket (along with semifinalist St. Francis). And it's not like it got Byron-Montini as 1-2. Montini was I think 14. So a random win or loss here or there and change in playoff qualifiers/seeding could pretty easily have moved them into a quarter or semi bracket with Byron.

Also I think we all agree if a kid came up to you and said "Coach I have to play travel baseball or AAU basketball all summer I can't make it" we would all respond "See you August 9th" especially if that said player is the difference between 5-4 and 14-0. Anyone who says otherwise is full of you know what.

Propbet said:

My reference to 1a - 4a was that IHSA is at fault for their seeding. The IHSA wants broader exposure to the playoff experience. With that you got teams in the final that shouldn’t have been there. Because they were in the final they received some sense of entitlement of being the self imposed public school champion only to be running clocked by a private. When the truth is those schools for the most part shouldn’t have been in the final as evidence by the better quarter and semi match ups the private schools faced.

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I see what you are saying. The North-South split has historically been lopsided in favor of the north, although every once in a while the south will get one.

Colin...what if I told you some highly successful programs have gotten away from film on Saturdays and bringing kids in. What if I told you there are teams out there who don't hit all week long and are the most physical teams out there...what if I told you the previous post I shared is how a very football crazed state sets up their summers.

As someone mentioned on here coaches are their own worst enemies and a lot of them prescribe to what I like to call "Dumb Hustle"

BoredRef77 said:

Every other state EXCEPT Illinois calls that a false start. Its something many officials have argued for years but apparently the state interpreters have other opinions

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What do you think of this offense that Althoff used for a decade? Team Offense - set up off-balanced to the right or left. Linemen in pass protection stance. On cadence, the entire team shifts to a new formation, linemen still in Pass Pro stance, third cadence they get set, hand on the ground. Or, they run a play on first sound from the off-balanced formation.

Team (shift or GO!)
Set (Change from Pass Pro stance to hand on the ground)
21 (The usual GO cadence, or 21, 22 if on two.)

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Congratulations!

mc140 said:

Which gets back to protecting coaches from themselves.

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Lets not have any contact days either than. Limit practices to only 60min. Nothing on Saturday or Sundays. Only 15 kids can practice at a time....

Biggest issue I'ver heard over the years is the unlimited amount of games via travel ball etc and that the "other" sports are pretty much non stop. 25 to 20 contact days won't have a huge impact and a larger majority of coaches I've talked to about it more often than not won't go more than 20 days already

Love the idea of August 1st as long as the football coaches have full access to it's kids with zero interference from other/travel sports