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SF 10 Syc 0 F

Before I say what I'm going to say, I'm at peace with public/private thing. It is what it is. However, this analogy doesn't work unless you acknowledge the advantages and disadvantages of each side. For example, business A only gets to use local resources, but business B gets to use resources from surrounding areas. Business A gets taxed at a lower rate than business B. You get the idea.
Private schools might pull from multiple towns, but you are still talking small enrollments for most of them. Private school coaches are probably making half the money a public school coach is getting. Nothing is fair in life, end of the day, compete and find a way.
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I'm glad you asked. I would separate them only until the semifinal round.

1) All CCL/ESCC teams make the playoffs regardless of record.
2) Divide the 24 teams into three groups of eight teams each. This can be done based on student enrollment or team ability.
3) Each group of eight teams plays three rounds of playoffs among themselves to produce one winner.
4) The winner of Group A advances to the semifinals of the IHSA 8A playoffs.
5) The winner of Group B advances to the semifinals of the IHSA 7A playoffs.
6) The winner of Group C advances to the semifinal round of the IHSA 6A playoffs.
7) The other 24 teams (three quadrants of eight teams) in those three class levels will be teams that are not in the CCL/ESCC.
8) Any CCL/ESCC playoff group (A, B or C) that does not win a state championship for five consecutive years will drop down one class level for the playoffs the following year.

If CCL/ESCC member schools do not like the new arrangement, then, as they like to say, they should "just get better".
We are in the age where everyone gets a trophy, so let’s make sure all the public schools get to the semi final first before having to play any competition. Great idea.

ICE Semis

Side note, what bars should be considered for a beer and lunch before the Wilmington game. Not a B-dubs or chain. Give me something with some character.
Go to Frankie’s Deli. Close to the field. Amazing Italian sandwiches. Wash it down with a Birra Moretti. If you want a traditional bar, Anyways on Roosevelt is close and decent.

Bears

Yes, I think there were around .34 left. I know 46 yards is a chip shot nowadays, but try and get it closer. If he wasn't under a microscope, maybe people wouldn't be questioning it. However , he put himself in this damn situation, and deserves to be called out on every little thing.
Santos doesn’t have a big leg. In longer FG’s he kicks them low to get more distance.

Big moments seem to be too much for
Eberflus. He was scared to want to get more yards on the last drive which the Bears should have tried for.
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Alexander,

I too have been on both sides of the public/private education/sports equation for my boys and must say I completely disagree with you because I’m a fan of merit being rewarded. Both sets of programs had success in multiple states with similar debate about separation of public/private schools. To equate this to a business competitive landscape, should the best manufacturer or provider of a service etc… be subject to an additional tax because they provide a better product? I am a fan of everyone being treated equally, but the outcomes measurements should be based on providing the best product or service.
Before I say what I'm going to say, I'm at peace with public/private thing. It is what it is. However, this analogy doesn't work unless you acknowledge the advantages and disadvantages of each side. For example, business A only gets to use local resources, but business B gets to use resources from surrounding areas. Business A gets taxed at a lower rate than business B. You get the idea.

SF 10 Syc 0 F

Your explanation might have more credibility except for the fact, as I explained to you last year, I'm not a public-school fan. My views are based on where the evidence leads me with the ultimate objectives of being fair and trying to save the private schools' integration into the IHSA playoffs. My daughter taught at St. Francis for 13 years and I have attended more St. Francis games than the games of any other high school over the last 20 years. Second place would go to Nazareth Academy because I worked in La Grange Park and it was therefore convenient, plus the fact one of my co-worker/friend's kids played for the Roadrunners (so we would sometimes attend a game together).

My daughter currently teaches at a Lutheran elementary/middle school in Batavia, where my wife and I subsidize the cost of our three granddaughters' attendance. [Since my daughter teaches part-time, they do not attend for free.] Clearly, I have nothing against private schools. Nevertheless, having attended Lyons Township my freshman and sophomore years, and Maine East my junior and senior years, I am also familiar with the public-school experience. Having been a fan of Illinois high school football for many years, I am probably as close as you are going to get to an unbiased observer of the public/private debate.

Turning briefly to the comment of SiuCubFan8, the playoff success of the Chicagoland Christian Conference (as currently comprised) is not even close to the success of the CCL/ESCC, and therefore the evidence indicates no new arrangement is needed. I could not tell you the last time Chicago Christian made the semifinals, if ever. In the case of Althoff, they are an independent (which precludes the same remedy) and I don't think they have won a state football championship in at least 20 years.

Finally, as I have mentioned numerous times in the past, and I have proposed in the past, if a success factor for individual schools is to be used (which, of course, it currently is for private schools), then a similar success factor should be applied to public schools as well. The plan I've proposed in this thread would eliminate the need for a separate success factor to be applied to CCL/ESCC schools.

I do find it amusing, though, that the second someone proposes a plan that might make it more difficult for a private school to win a state football championship, the private school supporters turn into the same whiners and complainers they accuse the fans of Antioch and Sycamore to be. To those particular private-school supporters, I say, "just get better".
Alexander,

I too have been on both sides of the public/private education/sports equation for my boys and must say I completely disagree with you because I’m a fan of merit being rewarded. Both sets of programs had success in multiple states with similar debate about separation of public/private schools. To equate this to a business competitive landscape, should the best manufacturer or provider of a service etc… be subject to an additional tax because they provide a better product? I am a fan of everyone being treated equally, but the outcomes measurements should be based on providing the best product or service.

ICE Semis

As mentioned before, the ICE is not a deep conference, however it is pretty impressive to have two teams in the Semifinals from the same conference. Not just the same conference but essentially 5 miles apart. Good luck to the last two standing and represent our area well!

3A

#2 Wilmington (12-0) @ #9 Montini (10-2) - Wilmington has two keys to winning this game......Eliminate injuries and what is the injury status of Farrell? I was thinking Wilmington's season would be over here, however Montini did not look unbeatable against Princeton. Also, if you look at their results from the year, yes they beat Byron and 4A quarter team St. Laurence, but they don't really have any other win that looks overly impressive. I wouldn't bet my house on it, but for the sake of a message board, give me the Cats. Wilmo 24 Montini 21



4A

#9 Depaul (9-3) @ #7 Coal City (10-2) - Very impressed with how CC has done this year. I kind of thought they would just fizzle out by 2nd round or quarters, but they keep getting better. Same thing as Montini, Depaul hasn't really beat anyone of huge stature. Like Wilmo I wouldn't bet on this but for the Homer pick I'll take CC. CC 20 Depaul 13

Side note, what bars should be considered for a beer and lunch before the Wilmington game. Not a B-dubs or chain. Give me something with some character.

Bears

Well, a positive was Caleb got them in position to win. Getting a 1st down after facing 3rd and 19 was impressive. Of course, Eberflus’ end of game strategy can be questioned again. He took the conservative route and got burned with the block.
Yes, I think there were around .34 left. I know 46 yards is a chip shot nowadays, but try and get it closer. If he wasn't under a microscope, maybe people wouldn't be questioning it. However , he put himself in this damn situation, and deserves to be called out on every little thing.

St Laurence 14 - DePaul Prep 26 F

A good question. DCP has almost 200 more students that Stl, it's my understanding. We're short of 1400. Idk if that will take us up to 5A or 6A.
This should be exhibit A for the ihsa to scrap the 2 year enrollment cycle thing.
It really doesn’t seem that difficult to take last year’s ISBE enrollment numbers and set the classifications. Just a bad rule voted in and apparently by short sighted publics.
Please don’t misunderstand, this is not a knock on St. Laurence or DePaul Prep. It’s a knock on the rule. This sort of thing could happen to many different schools, in either direction.

Coal City 20 Dixon 13 FINAL

The last three minutes of the game were unexplainable. Both teams made unforced turnovers to put their respective team in a very bad position. Coalers were the better team most of the game but neither could say they were at their best in those last minutes. Kind of crazy but at least the Dukes were the ones who made the last mistake.
How many turnovers were there in the game? Seemed like quite a few, but I wasn’t super focused on it.

Loyola (Hollywood) vs LW East (Beast)

Loyola should probably just forfeit.
As far as the game next week, my guess would be the BEAST by 3 scores.

Yesterday’s game at Hollywood was very well attended for all to witness the battle of the “better than average.” LA earned a one week moratorium on equipment turn in.

Both teams are well coached as always, but neither team IMHO have the stones to go any further. Neither team tackles very well. I felt like our QB didn’t have that great of a day. Our play calling was “meh”. I agree with the previous posters who suggested Hollywood should let Bliss call plays. Similarly, I was not impressed by the QB play for LA either.
Tinseltowns O-line was the deciding factor in this game. Our O-line was just as big and just as athletic, however the comparison ends there.

Congratulations to the Ramblers

Loyola (Hollywood) vs LW East (Beast)

Should be an easy one to ID the culprit as the person was at the Marist game as well last week…and there were about 300 LA fans. It made the viewing of last years championship game a real pain on tape and in person. Sportsmanship should be handled by your own fans for this one folks.
Someone on this board either knows the offender or can inquire. Seriously if they do it again they should be called out in front of everyone in the stands and be berated.
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