jwarigaku said:

So have you just not been around that long or just refuse to admit more publics have won in the highest class?

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jha618 said:

I don't believe he said it's hard to find competition in the state. But hard to schedule ooc games in general. The last 2 years they had neutral sites vs Loyola and mc. Prior to that it's been NC, NV, Batavia etc all on the road. Id guess it's been 10 years since they had a home non con game vs a team from illinois

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SEHSSTORM1 said:

The publics that have won state titles in the highest classes have been MS, NC, ESL and LWE...2 proven cheaters/recruiters, one we all know cheats/recruits but refuse to do anything about, and one that attempted it's best at bringing in transfer portal kids this off-season to finally knock off Loyola and failed.

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McCaravan said:

Splitting the Public and Private schools is basically the Public schools waiving the white flag saying "We can't win" when they have won so many times. I don't think schools like LWE, Maine South, and for sure ESL want to win a State Title knowing they might not have beaten the best. I would put Batavia in that group but many of their supporters are very vocal that they think it's unfair that Private schools recruit, but they pick and choose when they want to complain about it. They blew out Br. Rice, a CCL Blue team last season and all was fine. They struggle with MC and that's when it becomes not fair.

Does LWE, Swagger or ESL or any other school want to win a State Title when they know they possibly didn't face the best in the State? Could we have beaten LA or MC this year? Yeah we won the Public School State but were we the best? If that's what you want then your playing for a Ring that you'll wear outside the house twice, a trophy that will sit in your schools trophy case that you will see at the reunion, and a State Hat and Hoody that you will wear until your go to College and realize that you look like an idiot walking around campus wearing a High School shirt (don't worry you can wear these again when your in your 40's with little push back).

The Private side State Championship will be a snooze fest. Do they break that up by size? "We are the Private League Level 2 State Champions!!! We are the best mid level private school College Team in IL!!!" You would have to because if you don't teams like Laurence, Montini, Providence and DePaul will never be able to hang with LA, MC, SR, BR, Marist, JCA and Naz on a yearly basis, St. Francis will have a hard time too. All that will be is a redue and rematch of the Conference play.

So no, absolutely not, I don't want to see a split. I'm happy MC is moving to 8A, I'd love to see them play LWE and Maine South who will have the two top QBs in the State next year, while MC and LA reload at that position. It will be an awesome game. As Edgy suggested, start with seeding, FACTOR IN STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE, make sure that the #1 seed in the second largest conference isn't a school from the third tier of competitiveness in the CPS while the 2 two defending State Champion is seeded 19th. Baby steps....splitting the Private/Publics would be a monster step.

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jha618 said:

I don't believe he said it's hard to find competition in the state. But hard to schedule ooc games in general. The last 2 years they had neutral sites vs Loyola and mc. Prior to that it's been NC, NV, Batavia etc all on the road. Id guess it's been 10 years since they had a home non con game vs a team from illinois

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McCaravan said:

Splitting the Public and Private schools is basically the Public schools waiving the white flag saying "We can't win" when they have won so many times. I don't think schools like LWE, Maine South, and for sure ESL want to win a State Title knowing they might not have beaten the best. I would put Batavia in that group but many of their supporters are very vocal that they think it's unfair that Private schools recruit, but they pick and choose when they want to complain about it. They blew out Br. Rice, a CCL Blue team last season and all was fine. They struggle with MC and that's when it becomes not fair.

Does LWE, Swagger or ESL or any other school want to win a State Title when they know they possibly didn't face the best in the State? Could we have beaten LA or MC this year? Yeah we won the Public School State but were we the best? If that's what you want then your playing for a Ring that you'll wear outside the house twice, a trophy that will sit in your schools trophy case that you will see at the reunion, and a State Hat and Hoody that you will wear until your go to College and realize that you look like an idiot walking around campus wearing a High School shirt (don't worry you can wear these again when your in your 40's with little push back).

The Private side State Championship will be a snooze fest. Do they break that up by size? "We are the Private League Level 2 State Champions!!! We are the best mid level private school College Team in IL!!!" You would have to because if you don't teams like Laurence, Montini, Providence and DePaul will never be able to hang with LA, MC, SR, BR, Marist, JCA and Naz on a yearly basis, St. Francis will have a hard time too. All that will be is a redue and rematch of the Conference play.

So no, absolutely not, I don't want to see a split. I'm happy MC is moving to 8A, I'd love to see them play LWE and Maine South who will have the two top QBs in the State next year, while MC and LA reload at that position. It will be an awesome game. As Edgy suggested, start with seeding, FACTOR IN STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE, make sure that the #1 seed in the second largest conference isn't a school from the third tier of competitiveness in the CPS while the 2 two defending State Champion is seeded 19th. Baby steps....splitting the Private/Publics would be a monster step.

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Silver Rain said:

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

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Silver Rain said:

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

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GoBlers said:

Have fun in the minor leagues!

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Silver Rain said:

Not an excuse. Elliott's had a shoulder injury, so his throws were off and he couldn't run. Same with Fitzgerald. When he was out, Loyola lost. Doesn't mean that the Ramblers were out of their league.

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PowerI66 said:

So your cop friend is openly sharing juvenile records? That's fun!

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Silver Rain said:

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

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crusader_of_90 said:

Dierre's final stats:

51 touchdowns and eight 2PATs for 322 points.

2586 rushing yards on 155 carries for and average of 16.7 per.

364 receiving yards for a total of 2950 total yards from scrimmage.

One state title on an undefeated team.

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LHSTigers94 said:

if more people are willing to compete at the proper level we wouldn’t need success factors or multipliers. Unfortunate most don’t like to challenge themselves and always want an easy path. I commend LA and St Rita for petitioning to the level in which they feel they are capable of playing.

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SEHSSTORM1 said:

Per IHSA rules, Korhonan could not recruit even his own district. You must 'recruit' generally and not to one specific sport, activity, etc. So that's illegal. I can't deny that most high school coaches are doing that but that's in one's own district. Now imagine being able to access dozens of districts for their best talent...

There are no clear boundaries for private schools. The rule is 30 mile radius, but a friends address could work. In public schools, you would need to move. If you use a friends address, schools can and will check on you. That would be skirting federal and state tax money. In a private school, it's on the 'honor' system.

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daveje said:

Didn’t show up or were just out of their league? The “didn’t show up” thing seems like an unprovable excuse.

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Dave Brody said:

Would you consider/support a success factor applied to the public’s? Lena Winslow, Rochester, ESL, Cary Grove, etc…

Why? Why not?

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rfb321 said:

the reason they put the in waiver was because it was unfair to penalize those privates who are not known as football schools. Originally, it was put in to slow down a handful of CCL’s, JCA, Bishop Mac, Boylan and Driscoll. And it worked pretty good. But if say, the likes of Walther Christian, Elgin St. Ed’s, Aurora Christian or ACC somehow scrape together five wins, do they really deserve to be multiplied?

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eagles2k3 said:

That Loyola doesn’t just have great athletes, they really do have great coaches AND They have a great culture. My kiD is getting recruited by Loyola for a different sport, and I love the coaches and the other parents connected with it but he won’t do it. Wants to play with the kids he’s grow up with since he was 5. I feel this won’t end well in 4 years unfortunately. And we go to a very good public school.

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