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St Francis @ Sycamore

Don't over complicate it. If you found a way to access the game without an account then by all means go that route.

Just find it again and keep that browser window open until Saturday.
I now have my weird way of finding and watching games on Hudl without an account, down cold.

It's just funny that this is how any Tech attempts for me go, every time. I hate Tech, and Tech hates me back. :)

St Francis @ Sycamore

Now I'm a confused Tech Dummy.

To try to make a short version of a totally confused situation.:

I watched a game on Hudl this past weekend
- without making an account (and)
- without somebody supplying me with a link

So I decided to try the same Bass Ackward method of looking on Hudl to search for the Sycamore vs St Francis game and successfully got to a link for this Saturday's game, and several previous Sycamore games.
- again, without making an account

So when I click on the Hudl link in the above post and it takes me to a screen that says Login / Create an Account: to purchase?? Well I'm totally confused.

This whole weird explanation is very typical of when I try to do something Tech related. I usually end up some place where Tech Savvy people say "How the F did you get there?"

So. if you can make sense out of all that, you're a smarter man than me.
Don't over complicate it. If you found a way to access the game without an account then by all means go that route.

Just find it again and keep that browser window open until Saturday.

St Francis @ Sycamore

You need to create an account but there's no fee. Morris uses Hudl and I watched their games without paying.
Now I'm a confused Tech Dummy.

To try to make a short version of a totally confused situation.:

I watched a game on Hudl this past weekend
- without making an account (and)
- without somebody supplying me with a link

So I decided to try the same Bass Ackward method of looking on Hudl to search for the Sycamore vs St Francis game and successfully got to a link for this Saturday's game, and several previous Sycamore games.
- again, without making an account

So when I click on the Hudl link in the above post and it takes me to a screen that says Login / Create an Account: to purchase?? Well I'm totally confused.

This whole weird explanation is very typical of when I try to do something Tech related. I usually end up some place where Tech Savvy people say "How the F did you get there?"

So. if you can make sense out of all that, you're a smarter man than me.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

You are assuming the goal should be "prioritizing accuracy of the seedings". It also seems you are measuring accuracy in terms of determining which teams are the best. However, there are trade-offs in life.

While accuracy and excellence are commendable goals, so are objectivity and transparency; particularly when administering a program that should promote fairness. What if rather than prioritizing those teams that are better, the seeding system is meant to reward those teams that had better regular seasons in relation to their peers. I have no doubt that Wheaton-Warrenville South (a 5-4 team that finished in fourth place in the DuKane Conference) is a better team than Whitney Young (a 9-0 team that finished in first place in its conference). But I do have doubts that Wheaton should have been given a better seed than Young in the 7A playoffs. Young had a remarkable season relative to their peers, and giving them a 1 seed allowed them the opportunity to win a first-round playoff game. Wheaton-Warrenville South had an average regular season in comparison to their peers. If teams are allowed into the playoffs based on the relative success of their regular seasons, is it not consistent to then also seed them on the same basis?

There is also some value to having excellent games in each round of the playoffs, as the current system allows, rather than saving all the best games for the last two weeks of the playoffs.

With all that having been said, I am rather partial to the pursuit of excellence and then rewarding that excellence. Clearly CalPreps or Massey or several other systems would do a better job of measuring excellence/ability than the current system of seeding. An objectively designed (and transparent) study would quickly prove that to be the case.

I personally find the trade-offs in this discussion to be quite balanced, and consequently am comfortable with any of the seeding methods that have been discussed in this thread. If pressed, I would fall back on the principle that frequently the best solution is one that melds the best of the competing alternatives. As has been offered by others in this thread already, I would seed the top eight teams based on a computer rating (after having studied the various computer systems for accuracy). The remaining 24 teams would be seeded using the current method.

The main point of this message, though, is to suggest no agreement will be found in this thread (though it is fun to discuss). The reason for that is the fact that there are trade-offs, and each of us will evaluate those trade-offs differently and subjectively. Under those circumstances the best course is to have a vote, and that is what the IHSA (a member driven organization) is designed to do. So far, that process has resulted in the system we currently have. If, at some future point in time, enough members become dissatisfied with the current system, they will vote it out and a new system will be implemented.
Great post. My question is, why do people want to fix a system that isn't broke? I have yet to see a proposal submitted to the IHSA to change the way playoffs are seeded. So the schools don't seem to have issues with it. Just because a handful of fans are upset because a team ran into a better team in an earlier round then they wanted them to doesn't mean the system needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

We have people here suggesting computers, committees, and hybrid systems used to rank the top 4 or 8 teams one way and the existing system to rank the rest. Why make things more convoluted when there is no promise it's a better system.

Illinois is a top heavy state in terms of talented teams so regardless of how the teams are seeded the same 3-5 teams per class will end up in the finals.

West Aurora @ MS

West Aurora defeated Huntley 31-21 in the 8A playoffs. Huntley was an average team in the Fox Valley Conference. The Fox Valley Conference is a better conference than the Southwest Prairie West Conference. It is therefore logical to conclude West Aurora would have probably been better than an average team in the Southwest Prairie West Conference. They probably would have finished third behind Oswego and Minooka.

West Aurora also convincingly beat Glenbard East 45-20. Glenbard East, in turn, defeated Willowbrook, a team comparable to Plainfield South (both of them having lost close games to Downers Grove South). Willowbrook finished in second place in the West Suburban Gold Conference and also defeated NIC-10 Conference champion Hononegah (unbeaten at the time) in the playoffs. West Aurora would have easily won the Southwest Prairie East Conference.
Yes, agree for sure with you the SPC East is terrible. I really don't consider it part of the SPC. Most if not all of the West side would have won the East.

Happy Veterans Day ...

The man I'm thinking about - whom I believe is named Kevin -- is an SR grad who become attached to the Montini program later (as a dad or grand dad, i believe). He served in the USMC.

He hasn't posted lately, but he' s well respected on the board.
Thanks MC63. SN #RA16739875. E-4. 1962-1965. Had internet trouble the last several days. Glad to be back.

Quarterfinals games

Saturday is playoff game day, that's something I'm fine with. I like the Saturday afternoon contests...

For you, maybe I'd start by asking those in the Chicagoland area first. Shortest distance between any two schools class 1A-4A is St. Laurence @ DePaul, being played Sat @ 1pm...??? How many Chicago area folks would complain about Friday games if having to fight traffic at rush times to make an early Friday start? I'd have to guess it's about equal to the people who'd be complaining about Friday night kickoffs for a 5 hour round trip in the first 3 rounds...

1A
Galena ---> LeRoy : 227 miles
Gibson City ---> Lena-Winslow : 205 mi
Casey-Westfield ---> Althoff : 137 mi
Camp Point ---> Hardin : 79 mi

2A
Farmington ---> Dwight : 113 mi
Bismarck ---> Palos Heights : 116 mi
Pana ---> Johnston City : 126 mi
Quincy ---> Morao : 160 mi

3A
Lombard ---> Princeton : 104 mi
Wilmington ---> Pecatonica : 144 mi
Nashville ---> Tolono : 154 mi
Benton ---> Monticello : 174 mi

4A
St. Laurence ---> DePaul : 22 mi
Dixon ---> Coal City : 93 mi
Mt. Zion ---> Breese : 110 mi
Normal ---> Cahokia : 122 mi
Well that answers my question! StL and DePaul definitely should be Friday night. I could argue Camp Point game as well
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EDGYTIM in the Daily Herald: The Year of the Quarterback

MOB also declared in the ST that "It's the Year of the Quarterback," which has been clear to everyone since August. This is not to draw an artificial divide between Chicago and the rest of the state but rather to acknowledge that, when it comes to quarterbacks, Illinois has a redundance of riches.

Higher seeds should get the home game.

The parity that exists in HS football is not close to what it is in the NFL. Thats not even debatable and no one should ever try and make that argument.

I am not using, or even suggesting, my eye test can say any one team is the best. Thats why I suggested using some combination of composite computer rankings, polls etc. Even if that would just be for the top 4 or 8 to ensure those matchup dont occur before the semi or quarterfinal rounds. With the goal being prioritizing accuracy of the seedings vs simply transparency of an imprecise system.
You are assuming the goal should be "prioritizing accuracy of the seedings". It also seems you are measuring accuracy in terms of determining which teams are the best. However, there are trade-offs in life.

While accuracy and excellence are commendable goals, so are objectivity and transparency; particularly when administering a program that should promote fairness. What if rather than prioritizing those teams that are better, the seeding system is meant to reward those teams that had better regular seasons in relation to their peers. I have no doubt that Wheaton-Warrenville South (a 5-4 team that finished in fourth place in the DuKane Conference) is a better team than Whitney Young (a 9-0 team that finished in first place in its conference). But I do have doubts that Wheaton should have been given a better seed than Young in the 7A playoffs. Young had a remarkable season relative to their peers, and giving them a 1 seed allowed them the opportunity to win a first-round playoff game. Wheaton-Warrenville South had an average regular season in comparison to their peers. If teams are allowed into the playoffs based on the relative success of their regular seasons, is it not consistent to then also seed them on the same basis?

There is also some value to having excellent games in each round of the playoffs, as the current system allows, rather than saving all the best games for the last two weeks of the playoffs.

With all that having been said, I am rather partial to the pursuit of excellence and then rewarding that excellence. Clearly CalPreps or Massey or several other systems would do a better job of measuring excellence/ability than the current system of seeding. An objectively designed (and transparent) study would quickly prove that to be the case.

I personally find the trade-offs in this discussion to be quite balanced, and consequently am comfortable with any of the seeding methods that have been discussed in this thread. If pressed, I would fall back on the principle that frequently the best solution is one that melds the best of the competing alternatives. As has been offered by others in this thread already, I would seed the top eight teams based on a computer rating (after having studied the various computer systems for accuracy). The remaining 24 teams would be seeded using the current method.

The main point of this message, though, is to suggest no agreement will be found in this thread (though it is fun to discuss). The reason for that is the fact that there are trade-offs, and each of us will evaluate those trade-offs differently and subjectively. Under those circumstances the best course is to have a vote, and that is what the IHSA (a member driven organization) is designed to do. So far, that process has resulted in the system we currently have. If, at some future point in time, enough members become dissatisfied with the current system, they will vote it out and a new system will be implemented.

Friday night quarterfinal games

REJOICE!!! I’m leaning towards attending
Is the Stevenson at LWE game the better choice ? Where should i go Friday ?
I’m also hitting a game Saturday, still undecided ...
Would highly recommend Lake Forest vs Geneva (@ LF). Should be great game, great atmosphere, good seating/view(s), very good concession/food. Depending on your location, an easy commute, just off Tri-State north. I would anticipate a very close, very competitive game.

Saturday night, I like Saint Rita vs Quincy. Western Avenue rough and tumble! Good luck, you'll have fun.
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