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Finals predictions: Closest and Most lopsided title games

1A - Lena -3
2A - Maroa -1 but I Think this is really a coin flip
3A - Montini -13
4A - DePaul -9
5A - Naz -6
6A - ESL -18
7A - MC -12
8A - Loyola -13
-Lena very young. Very few seniors. Gimme Althoff and the points all day.
-Agree with 2A
-Montini should pull away and win by at least 28.
-I’ll take Mt. Zion +9 but DePaul wins
-5A is spot on
-The remaining 6A-8A games will probably be decided by at least 21 points minimum

6A championship conversation

CG defense not used to being on the field for long stretches of time, lol. Really poor pass def. Only had 2 down linemen rushing, and everyone was in the mid to secondary running around with their heads cutoff. The game came down to revealing who's defense would crack first. Geneva figured out the triple option on Saturday; CG dropped everyone back and still couldn't fill the open passing spaces.
Yea it was weird. If you give any decent qb time to sit and read the same def over and over, they are going to pick you apart.

6A championship conversation

I am not sure what CG def plan was. They only seemed to rush 3 or 4 most plays and the corners were playing an extremely soft zone and the safeties seemed to be 30yds off the ball. Any short or intermediate route was an easy completion for Geneva. There were some 3rd and short situations where CG was playing 4 or 5 yards behind the 1st down markers.
CG defense not used to being on the field for long stretches of time, lol. Really poor pass def. Only had 2 down linemen rushing, and everyone was in the mid to secondary running around with their heads cutoff. The game came down to revealing who's defense would crack first. Geneva figured out the triple option on Saturday; CG dropped everyone back and still couldn't fill the open passing spaces.
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6A championship conversation

Pass protection will be key. If Geneva's QB doesn't get enough time to find an open man, gonna be a long day for them. The screen pass was effective against Cary Grove. And they'll need the RB ready for the dump-off passes.
I am not sure what CG def plan was. They only seemed to rush 3 or 4 most plays and the corners were playing an extremely soft zone and the safeties seemed to be 30yds off the ball. Any short or intermediate route was an easy completion for Geneva. There were some 3rd and short situations where CG was playing 4 or 5 yards behind the 1st down markers.
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MMXXIV Edition - CCL-ESCC Predictions Week XIII

For those who may be interested:

The Massey computer ratings clearly did a better job of predicting this game than CalPreps. Although it is not wise to read too much into a single outcome, I have done several studies over the last five years that have demonstrated the same result. Massey consistently outperforms CalPreps in predicting outcomes for games.

However, for those who might be thinking it would be a good thing to use the Massey ratings for seeding the playoffs, a word of caution is in order. It seems Massey, in part, uses data from prior seasons when making playoff predictions. For example, the Massey power ratings just prior to the playoffs starting had York making it to the championship game this year. That was a remarkable prediction, but there is no way a computer program could have arrived at that conclusion based solely on data from this year. York finished third in the West Suburban Silver Conference this year and was convincingly defeated by both Lyons Township and Downers Grove North. York's playoff success the two prior years had to be part of the equation.

Most people would agree the seeding of teams should be based solely on the current year's performance. They would also agree seeds should reflect what has been earned just as much as reflecting ability. Lyons deserved a better seed than York this year but Massey's power ratings would not have yielded that result. It is also important to note that Massey provides two different sets of ratings, one of which does, to a degree, consider the ranking that a team deserves. Similarly, CalPrep's predictions are not based on the same formula it uses to rank teams.

So, in conclusion, Massey does a significantly better job at predicting high school football games than CalPreps does. But, one has to be careful about which set of rankings they might use if they want to use the rankings for seeding purposes.

Thank you for your indulgence in allowing me to post this information in this thread. It is not a natural fit, but it did seem appropriate given the wide disparity between the two systems in relation to the Montini prediction, and the CalPreps prediction was used in this thread.


Note: Massey predicted (before the playoffs began) a Loyola vs. York final in 8A, and a Mt. Carmel vs. Batavia final in 7A. It also predicted Montini over Byron and Maroa-Forsyth over Quincy Notre Dame, two of the more difficult calls to make in predicting this year's playoffs. No doubt, a bit of luck also plays a role.

Massey's championship predictions prior to the playoffs beginning:
8A - Loyola
7A - Mt. Carmel
6A - East St. Louis
5A - Nazareth
4A - Rochester
3A - Montini
2A - Maroa-Forsyth
1A - Lena-Winslow
If I remember correctly that prediction was only made after the seedings were released. That said Massey had guidance from the bracketology.

Success Factor/NAZ

This one scares me. Because of how many private schools will win titles this year, based on emotion and people wanting to see change, I'm afraid this vote might actually make it across the finish line.

There are several small private schools that would end up getting pushed up several classes. The entire Chicagoland Christian Conference for example. A school like Chicago Christian could be 6a.
Is a zip code factor on the table? I was being a little facetious. I see your point and where would the 8A school with 92 zips go? This up and down with success factor confuses me.

6A championship conversation

Your opinion is based on not knowing much about Geneva.

Every time ESL plays up in Chicagoland I try to see them play. I’ve seen them several times over the years and am very familiar with their program.

I realize in most years my comment on another team’s WR group over ESL’s group is ridiculous but not this year with Geneva’s group.

Doesn’t mean they are going to win bc I’d take ESL at pretty much every other position.

If Geneva is going to have any shot in this game their WR’s are going to have to beat man coverage all day and score 40+ points. That might not even be enough.

I look forward to seeing how their WR group can matchup up for 4 quarters vs the ESL secondary and how the pass pro holds up.
Pass protection will be key. If Geneva's QB doesn't get enough time to find an open man, gonna be a long day for them. The screen pass was effective against Cary Grove. And they'll need the RB ready for the dump-off passes.

LA vs. York

Thoughts......Trap game for Hollywood? Mental let down after the hype of the LWE game? Or York under rated thrives in the role of underdog and plays free and easy and takes down the team that knocked them out the last two years for payback? I thought York gave them an excellent if not a better game then LWE (did in the finals) in the semi's last year to be honest! York O-line is huge and D-Line anchored by the ND recruit. QB super fast and RB pretty impressive. York is very good. I think this will be a close game for sure !
I, too, thought about the possibility of a trap game, but I then I discarded it.

If this were the regular season, perhaps it could be a trap game for Loyola after a big win. But we are talking about the final game for all the marbles. I gotta believe that Loyola will be stoked to be in the championship game. If they aren't up for this game, then they deserve to lose it.

I am definitely looking forward to this game. During the regular season, Loyola beat GBW by 35 and York beat them by 10. Loyola beat LWE by 3, East beat NC by 21, and NC lost to York by 5. I realize that the common opponent comparison isn't always all that reliable and should not be given too much weight. Then there is Loyola beating York the last two years as you pointed out. Is that more of a motivation for York to get revenge or perhaps it's in their head that Loyola just has their number? Then there is the been there, done that factor. How much will experience come into play for a Loyola program that is making its third straight appearance in the championship game (with many current Ramblers playing in or being at those previous games), versus a York program making its first ever title game appearance?
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