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Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

There is a shortage of tradesmen, no doubt.
Society has made it a lesser career path than being a history major (sorry for the shot at history majors) lol. Most folks in the trades are 10 years into paying down their mortgage before some have put a dent into student loans. It’s a great option after HS, wish more would consider the option.
Absolutely a valid, worthwhile, and economically viable option for someone entering workforce.

Like many fields though, that economic advantage isn't necessarily resolute. It is in some ways time specific to now because labor WAS de-emphasized (or college track over-emphasized) to where supply was/is too low. That can always inadvertently be overcorrected too though if supply shoots up and demand stays same that economic benefit can shrink.

Probably more so than anytime in history the workforce is gonna need to be flexible to stay ahead. Compared to 100 or even 50 years ago people will move professions throughout their life more than they did before (not for all professions). Education should prepare them and give them broad skills to deal with that. Some trades will probably be stable (plumbing is probably plumbing forever) but a lot of vocational skills will be more tech based and industry specific to specific points and market demands and need to fluctuate over 40 year of a career.

Bears

Kliff Kingsbury was 28-37 in Arizona and lost the 1 playoff game.
Mike Vrabel, was 54-45 with a 2-3 playoff record. Keep in mind the GM they hired decimated his team the last two years he was there (his only two losing seasons.)

Can't see how you think Vrabel somehow is a worse choice than Kingsbury. Especially when anyone around football knows that Vrabel gets the most out of his players.
Point taking about Kingsbury. I am going by what he is currently doing.
Like I said I don’t dislike Vrabel. Just feel he
might not be the best choice with all the others out there.

Multiplier/waiver

The proposal based on semifinal appearances over the previous five years is the best. It is the best because it measures program strength rather than the strength of one team, and because it is simple.

Multiplier: The 1.65 multiplier is applied to all private schools that have played in at least one semifinal game during the previous five years.

Success Factor: All schools are subject to the success factor based on the following table:
Three semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move one class level above the baseline class
Four semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move two class levels above the baseline class
Five semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move three class levels above the baseline class

The solution is that simple.

Obviously, no team can be placed in a class higher than 8A.

The baseline class is the class that the team would have played in if no success factor had been applied.

The fact that "ramblinman" is opposed to this plan is positive proof that it is a good system. He wants nothing other than separation, and therefore is opposed to any plan having a good chance of preventing separation.
Success Factor: All schools are subject to the success factor based on the following table:
Three semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move one class level above the baseline class
Four semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move two class levels above the baseline class
Five semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move three class levels above the baseline class

*I like it except I would change the success factor number of years.
Two semifinals appearance move up one class level.
3 semifinal appearances move up two class levels.
4 semifinal appearances move up 3 classes.
If the team fails to reach semifinals they would drop 1 class the very next year and if fail to reach the semifinals they again will drop 1 class. If they fail again they keep dropping 1 class until they reach original enrollment class.
This would force teams to be more competitive and would limit blowouts imo.

PS: I would be ok if they changed this to State Championship wins instead of Semifinal appearances.
I am saying if a team wins two state championships in a row they move up the very next year etc.

Multiplier/waiver

From a private school fan: 1 semi in five years is pretty lax anyways. Even if 1 PO win was deemed too harsh (old standard), wouldn't something like quads make it more equivalent to other sports which I think is/was based on regional or sectional appearances over 5 years?
I hope they never go back to quads. Lack of 1-32 seeding in the smaller divisions was a component to the title games all being so bad.
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Bears

If I were picking from this group. I would go with
Cliff Kingsbury
Ben Johnson

I think Vrabel would be a rerun of sorts. Defensive coach. He had his shot and his record as head coach was 54-45. Mike as a player he was great LB/DE Superbowl winner just hasn’t translated the same as a HC. I do like him but not sure he is what the Bears need for HC.
Slowik seems to be taking a lot of heat lately for the offensive woes of late. So is he another Eberflus type?
Aaron Glenn I am leaning towards an offensive HC this go around. I not totally against just MO.
Kliff Kingsbury was 28-37 in Arizona and lost the 1 playoff game.
Mike Vrabel, was 54-45 with a 2-3 playoff record. Keep in mind the GM they hired decimated his team the last two years he was there (his only two losing seasons.)

Can't see how you think Vrabel somehow is a worse choice than Kingsbury. Especially when anyone around football knows that Vrabel gets the most out of his players.
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Multiplier/waiver

The proposal based on semifinal appearances over the previous five years is the best. It is the best because it measures program strength rather than the strength of one team, and because it is simple.

Multiplier: The 1.65 multiplier is applied to all private schools that have played in at least one semifinal game during the previous five years.

Success Factor: All schools are subject to the success factor based on the following table:
Three semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move one class level above the baseline class
Four semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move two class levels above the baseline class
Five semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move three class levels above the baseline class

The solution is that simple.

Obviously, no team can be placed in a class higher than 8A.

The baseline class is the class that the team would have played in if no success factor had been applied.

The fact that "ramblinman" is opposed to this plan is positive proof that it is a good system. He wants nothing other than separation, and therefore is opposed to any plan having a good chance of preventing separation.
From a private school fan: 1 semi in five years is pretty lax anyways. Even if 1 PO win was deemed too harsh (old standard), wouldn't something like quads make it more equivalent to other sports which I think is/was based on regional or sectional appearances over 5 years?

Bears

My list hasn't changed from when they were last looking. Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury, Bobby Slowik, and possibly Aaron Glenn.
If I were picking from this group. I would go with
Cliff Kingsbury
Ben Johnson

I think Vrabel would be a rerun of sorts. Defensive coach. He had his shot and his record as head coach was 54-45. Mike as a player he was great LB/DE Superbowl winner just hasn’t translated the same as a HC. I do like him but not sure he is what the Bears need for HC.
Slowik seems to be taking a lot of heat lately for the offensive woes of late. So is he another Eberflus type?
Aaron Glenn I am leaning towards an offensive HC this go around. I not totally against just MO.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

There is a shortage of tradesmen, no doubt.
Society has made it a lesser career path than being a history major (sorry for the shot at history majors) lol. Most folks in the trades are 10 years into paying down their mortgage before some have put a dent into student loans. It’s a great option after HS, wish more would consider the option.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

I know many more electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc in their early 30s making 6 figures here in PA than college grads in their peer group, and they don’t have 50-100k in student debt. Your brazen assumption that these career paths earn less is just not well supported. Couple that fact with a severe shortage in the trades and 50% of college grads not working in, or finding jobs in their degree of study and your telling me helping anyone find happiness in the trades is doing them a disservice? Why? And please don’t try to redirect, answer that simple question of why the trades are a bad choice or less honorable?
You are so full of crap man. Your "simple question" is a straw man that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've typed on here.

Bears

Okay the names are being brought up. You’re just trying to start a fight 😂 like you always do. People say one thing you disagree or try to make it bigger than it is. Goggle it all these names are being discussed. Maybe not nit by the Bears? Or maybe they are. You don’t know. Carry on.
This is the second time you've mentioned "goggle". You're starting to make me think it's an alternative search engine
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Multiplier/waiver

The proposal based on semifinal appearances over the previous five years is the best. It is the best because it measures program strength rather than the strength of one team, and because it is simple.

Multiplier: The 1.65 multiplier is applied to all private schools that have played in at least one semifinal game during the previous five years.

Success Factor: All schools are subject to the success factor based on the following table:
Three semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move one class level above the baseline class
Four semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move two class levels above the baseline class
Five semifinal appearances during the previous five years = Move three class levels above the baseline class

The solution is that simple.

Obviously, no team can be placed in a class higher than 8A.

The baseline class is the class that the team would have played in if no success factor had been applied.

The fact that "ramblinman" is opposed to this plan is positive proof that it is a good system. He wants nothing other than separation, and therefore is opposed to any plan having a good chance of preventing separation.

Bears

Okay the names are being brought up. You’re just trying to start a fight 😂 like you always do. People say one thing you disagree or try to make it bigger than it is. Goggle it all these names are being discussed. Maybe not nit by the Bears? Or maybe they are. You don’t know. Carry on.
I was just commenting on the post you made. Sorry I wasn't able to infer you meant something different then what you actually said.

Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

It's not about elevating one career choice as inherently better than another from like a moral or something standpoint. It's about people getting a chance to improve their financial well-being long . Post secondary education still does really well at that (if you complete it - there's a real crises of infldebted folks who never even got the degree because they got tracked into something they ultimately shouldn't have).

So it's true college isnt for everyone and it isn't strictly about aptitude (especially how we measure it in the past 25 ish years). Early tracking vocation seems to no better than a one sized first all college prep world view. Teach the whole person and don't try and determine their career earnings path at 14.

If someone is just happy in a lower paying field, fine too. But it's a choice, not telling Jr at 14 that his future earnings is determinitive. I mean there are certainly cases where that's obvious and we should be realistic, but not as a general rule for most general population. That gem is still being polished and is unclear, as you said.
I know many more electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc in their early 30s making 6 figures here in PA than college grads in their peer group, and they don’t have 50-100k in student debt. Your brazen assumption that these career paths earn less is just not well supported. Couple that fact with a severe shortage in the trades and 50% of college grads not working in, or finding jobs in their degree of study and your telling me helping anyone find happiness in the trades is doing them a disservice? Why? And please don’t try to redirect, answer that simple question of why the trades are a bad choice or less honorable?

Multiplier/waiver

Sure, but specifically how would you tweak the multiplier? Change the number? Change the waiver requirements? I’m pretty leery about an 8A fan’s take on this subject, because that class has the least impact from the multiplier/waiver issue.
Agreed on the 8A. I would think that would be where privates and publics would need to find a happy ground.

Bears

In your post mentioning 3 names you literally said the Bears were looking at those names.
Okay the names are being brought up. You’re just trying to start a fight 😂 like you always do. People say one thing you disagree or try to make it bigger than it is. Goggle it all these names are being discussed. Maybe not nit by the Bears? Or maybe they are. You don’t know. Carry on.
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