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Higher seeds should get the home game.

Its not a question of if they can EVER be a legit #1. It's are they #1 this year. Does it not give you a little bit of pause when no other ranking/rating system has them as the #1 team in 7a, besides the ihsa system?
An IHSA system that has worked for years that no school complains about enough to submit a proposal for a change, just a small pocket of fans who get upset when their team loses a round before they feel they should have.

Higher seeds should get the home game.

Is it incomprehensible that Whitney Young could ever be the legit #1? Is Morgan Park a legit #1? Was Mohamet Seymour a legit #3
Its not a question of if they can EVER be a legit #1. It's are they #1 this year. Does it not give you a little bit of pause when no other ranking/rating system has them as the #1 team in 7a, besides the ihsa system?
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Maine South @ Loyola

LA beat MC last year and both won state. MC and LA both have more losses this year compared to the last couple of years. They also played a very tough schedule this year.
Both MC and LA are much better teams than they were at the start of the season. Hell, MC is not the same team that lost to Loyola a few weeks ago. Everything is magically coming toether for the Caravan.

JCA @ Peoria

The important question is whether I stop in Washington, IL to eat breakfast at Faire Coffee or eat a pork tenderloin and onion rings at Schooners in Peoria. If I eat at Schooners I'll need at least three other people to help with the tenderloin and rings.
Love Washington and Metamora, great little towns with super nice people. Is Faire Coffee on Bus 24?

Higher seeds should get the home game.

Is it incomprehensible that Whitney Young could ever be the legit #1? Is Morgan Park a legit #1? Was Mohamet Seymour a legit #3?
The thing everybody is missing is that Massey is legitimately far more accurate than any other possible arbiter of seeding. Like it or not these algorithms, while they have their flaws, will always be the most accurate. And they will only improve with time. So, yeah the Massey or calpreps (Massey is superior) would be the best way of seeding 1-32.

Higher seeds should get the home game.

I’m surprised there is so much support for the current seeding process. Yes it’s objective. Yes it’s transparent. And yes it had Whitney Young as the #1 seed in 7A. Any system that has a #1 seed like that would seem ripe for tweaking.
Is it incomprehensible that Whitney Young could ever be the legit #1? Is Morgan Park a legit #1? Was Mohamet Seymour a legit #3?

Potentially least competitive quarterfinal games

Thanks Big Daddy. Your detailed analysis makes me think they are in a weak conference and they happen to have enough talent to win. I was thinking of going this Friday but it sounds like the game might not be very close.

Yeah Stevenson might get rolled but by no means is the NSC a weak conference. If Warren is tied for 4th-place, I'd say it's a pretty deep league.
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

so teams with a lower record aren't getting screwed by getting lower seeds either.
Uh what?? If you have a worse record and subsequently get a worse seeding, thats not getting screwed. That just what happens.
it's also beyond ridiculous to suggest seeding a small portion of the teams differently than the rest just because you like it, so everyone is kind of ignoring that portion of your suggestion, because it's such a terrible idea. at least suggesting the entire playoffs be power ranked is a reasonable suggestion, though easier said than done.
Its not just because I like it. Its to actually set up the bracket accurately and fairly. What damage would be done if, after all 32 8a teams qualified for the IHSA playoffs under the current system, to then seed the top 8 teams based on additional metrics? I am not even opposed to seeding all 32 using "power rankings" but people seemed to have an issue with their accuracy beyond 12 or so.
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I can answer that for you @corey90. All my kids played in the North Suburban conference over the last 7 years including this year so have seen everything Stevenson has to offer. Stevenson is kind of an enigma, Don't really run or throw the ball exceptionally well but are good enough with both options. The key is really the quarterback Crawley who loves to run and he loves to run the quarterback draw and is very elusive. Usually, when throwing the coach's son Becker who's their big tight end is one of his favorite targets. Running back Fatman Thorndyke is a good runner but has been battling some injury things this year. On defense the linebackers are solid and Spice Adams son #5 can be a disrupting force on the defensive line. However they haven't seen anything like Jonas Williams and that Lincoln Way offense so I expect this thing to be a running clock by late in the third quarter.
Thanks Big Daddy. Your detailed analysis makes me think they are in a weak conference and they happen to have enough talent to win. I was thinking of going this Friday but it sounds like the game might not be very close.

Higher seeds should get the home game.

why are you suggesting teams be seeded accordingly? competitive matchups? high caliber teams not meeting in early rounds? the best teams having the best chance to make it to the later rounds (since the #2 team deserves to not get knocked out by the #1 team in round 2 for example)? i am saying it's an issue because if you change how teams are seeded based on perceived strength, you should change to qualifying teams based on that same rating.
I am not even sure how this is a legit question, esp since I have answered that multiple time. 1. The bracket should be setup to where top 8 teams wouldnt meet until the qrts, top 4 semis, top 2 championship. Thats a standard format when setting up any seeded tournament. Why is that controversial if I suggest that for ihsa playoffs? There is no reason that you have to have the same qualification and seeding parameters. Are you not aware that ncaa has a qualification process for teams AND and separate process for how to seed them? Professional tennis has a qualification process to enter tournaments AND a different process for how they are seeded.
per calpreps, one of the most commonly suggested methods to use for power ranking, glenbard west is 38th, saint ignatius 43rd, hinsdale central 46th, providence 53rd, lockport 58th, LZ 59th, HF 72nd, IC 75th, CoM 77th, to name a few who didn't make the field of 256, but power rankings put above 100-200 playoff qualifiers.

If you think MC and DGN should be seeded #1 and #2 in 7a since they are ranked as such via power rankings, isn't #53 ranked providence deserving on making the 6a playoffs over #381 ranked kennedy and #414 ranked Senn? Isn't #77 ranked CoM deserving of making the 5a playoffs over current qualifiers #404 Goode and #409 Prosser?
Interesting, so you dont like the fact that a team like Kennedy got in the playoffs over a team like Providence (team that had a losing record mind you), but are fine with Kennedy being seeded in the playoffs higher than a team like Chatham Glenwood, Bloomington and Washington? That is literally the exact reason I even suggested modifying the seeding system for the playoffs!! You are making my point for me.

I also realize how weird some of the computer rankings can get the further down you go. Which is why I suggested doing it for the top 4 or 8. I have no idea why you guys keep referencing rankings in the hundreds when trying to disprove my point.
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St Francis @ Sycamore

Watch out, the man is on a roll!

Not sure on this one though. Morris home games are on Hudl, but I haven't seen any road games broadcast through their channel.
Oh you are WAY beyond my new skills now. I'm just posting what I find, and that link says "Upcoming: Sat 16 Nov, 4:00pm. At Morgan Park High Mustangs".

Whether it's true or not, I have no idea. O-O

Bears

There are a bunch of good points on the recent posts. First of all I am not throwing Williams overboard yet. It is way too early. If anyone is most responsible for his results so far it's the organization and coaches.

First, they draft this kid number 1 and sell him as the QB savior.

Second, they name him the starting QB without any competition to actually win the job. Even if it was something similar to an actual battle it would have helped. The kid knew he had the job before preseason. Big mistake.

Third, they throw him out there with very little playing time in the preseason. Yeah, you don't want him to get hurt. But is it OK to get him killed now?

Fourth, they give him an OL that couldn't block me and he gets very little if no time to throw which leads to nine sacks on Sunday. If you put a lot of pressure on any QB in the league their performance will suffer.

Fifth, the play calling for this kid and the team has been awful. They throw when they should run and vice-versa and give the ball to an O-Lineman at the goal line with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.

Sixth, they take Cole Kmet completely out as an option to Williams. Kmet wasn't doing bad at all! In the first six games he had 29 targets and he caught 26 of those passes, for 289 yards and scored 3 TDs. In the last three games he has had five targets, including none against Arizona and one against Washington. 27 yards and no TDs. It might not seem like a big thing, but put together a lot of things like that and here we are.

Of course there are several more things I could list. Why bother. All I can say is, here we go again!

Potentially least competitive quarterfinal games

Agree and I am a North Suburban conference guy. this game will be over by halftime
Hats off to the Patriots on a bounce back season. High school foootball is better when Stevenson is good. LWE is just in a different class this season. Not many teams in the state are not going to get blown out by them. Stevenson was probably a top 16 team in 8A but overachieved based on the draw. Glenbard East loses to most of the 8A field but got a CPS team in the first round. Marist had semifinal qualities but got LA in round 2. That’s the luck of the draw with the IHSA playoffs and the Patriots luck has run out
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