Dergo way more impactful than Perez, and that is no shot at Perez.
Will Samson Evans be considered one of the greatest of all time?
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Dergo way more impactful than Perez, and that is no shot at Perez.
I kind of agree with this. Yes, PR plays a number of 8A teams each year, but they are not playing top tier programs like, MS, LWE, LA, etc. I am curious as to how he would do against the very top teams in the state.
We're talking about the player, not the team. So if you put Evans on a team like MS and go up against LWE, does he perform the same, better? It's all relative.
I think if you’re good it doesn’t matter who you play against. He hasn’t exactly faced 0-9 teams every week. Some of his very best performances were against some of the best teams in 6A 7A and 8A. Sure he didn’t face Maine South or LWE. But if we are going to use that as a primary measuring stick, then that all-time great list in this state will be very small.
Dergo played at a 6A school who was in the conference of 7A and 8A schools.
Evans definitely one of the top players in the last 20 years.
PR and E'ville played Huntley. Do you feel Evans performance against Huntley is more impressive than E'ville QB performance against Huntley in the first round of the playoffs? I think their performance were equally impressive from outstanding athletes. I can't definitely say that Evans is a better football player or athlete than E'villes QB.
To me this discussion is similar to the best team in the state. Too many good players to single out one of the best.
You are looking at it through the wrong lens.
Here's how you need to look at it: If Samson Evans is on MS or LA, do they beat LWE? I say they have a better shot with him than without, and feel he could have put either over the top.
I want to say that Boyle was the best dual threat quarterback we faced this season and was absolutely slaying us in the third quarter. Things did not work out, but he was their best chance. Is Superman a better QB? I don't see it.
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Ok Newt, then clarify the question, One of the 10 greatest? One of the 100 Greatest?
Regardless, the question had been answered here
even though it is 5 years old)http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/who-are-greatest-history-illinois-high-school-football
So looking at the list above, I have to vote no.
So his pro career is the only way to legitimize his high school success. I’ve learned a lot today.Ok Newt, then clarify the question, One of the 10 greatest? One of the 100 Greatest?
Regardless, the question had been answered here
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/who-are-greatest-history-illinois-high-school-football
So looking at the list above, I have to vote no.
Ok Newt, then clarify the question, One of the 10 greatest? One of the 100 Greatest?
Regardless, the question had been answered here
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/who-are-greatest-history-illinois-high-school-football
So looking at the list above, I have to vote no.
Again it didn’t ask 10 100 or 1000. The question asked is he one of the greatest. One. If you don’t think he is not one of the 100 best this state has produced then I can’t help you - ever.
One thing I’ve always noticed is guys that go on to have great college or pro careers always automatically become the greatest high school players in people’s minds even though many were just undeveloped potential at that point. The Evans kid as good as any player I have seen in any class.
I think Evans of course was great but really have no idea how I would rank him.
I think he may be one of those who might not look very good at Iowa playing another position. Hopefully I am wrong.
If he plays wide receiver in college then I think he would of been better off playing for a high school that runs the spread offense.
Time.will tell.
I think he may be one of those who might not look very good at Iowa playing another position. Hopefully I am wrong.
If he plays wide receiver in college then I think he would of been better off playing for a high school that runs the spread offense.
Time.will tell.
I hear you on the stats, newt. They certainly tell a story. I hate even debating this, but I actually think if you step back, the debate itself is a credit to the kid.
So...
I'll just use something close to home: His stats are better than Mike Alstott;s were, but he is not at the same level Mike was. All those stats mean zero if he played the competition mike did. Frankly, his stats make Mike look pedestrian. So that begs the question, was Mike pedestrian? The answer is obviously no. The only conclusion I can draw from that is that stats don't tell the tale.
I then think back to guys like Randle El, Corey Day, Dwayne Goodrich, Schwag from WWS...those dudes played some serious legit ball. How about Josh Ferguson from JCA and now on the colts.
Sampson was great, but not in the greatest ever category. But then again, I suppose one has to ask, how many people do you put in that pool? 100? I do not think he was a top 100 player. Back, yeah, probably. But not player. If we went on stats and championships, I have to put Cristopherson from Lockport in that same league. I'm unwilling to do that.
Much props to the kid though, count me in as a big fan. I certainly did not have that ability.
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I see Bryan Cox name listed ... remember, this is about high school performance.
“For me going up to Chicago and beating Carl Sandburg in the quarterfinals was a big deal and then going to the state championship and winning the title at Illinois State. I even caught a touchdown pass while playing tight end in that game,” Cox said speaking of his national championship 1985 squad. “How good was that football team? Well, let me put it this way. At the time, I was probably the 20th best player on that team.
Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/article89759527.html#storylink=cpy
“For me going up to Chicago and beating Carl Sandburg in the quarterfinals was a big deal and then going to the state championship and winning the title at Illinois State. I even caught a touchdown pass while playing tight end in that game,” Cox said speaking of his national championship 1985 squad. “How good was that football team? Well, let me put it this way. At the time, I was probably the 20th best player on that team.
Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/article89759527.html#storylink=cpy
This is an interesting thread because of the pro or college success some guys have and others don’t. This argument brings to mind for me Greg Turner. He was the best small school player I ever saw. Dominated for three years at Driscoll...However at NIU he was a 3rd down receiver and punt returner. Would I still place him as one of the best high school players I ever saw play? Sure.
Why does everyone keep talking about the Dergo guy?
The name sounds cool just rolling off the tongue. The name alone is worth a spot in the top 50!
why would anyone say the name dergo.
I'll settle this debate.
Kid was one hell of a player. IL high school was better with him - way better. He is up there with the many of the best that played in the state.
I'll settle this debate.
Kid was one hell of a player. IL high school was better with him - way better. He is up there with the many of the best that played in the state.
Hickey Thompson was an amazing player but he played in 3A and as I’ve learned in this thread only players at big schools can be considered the greatest.
All kidding aside the guy was easily one of the all time best.
Yes he is.
The whole final I was thinking, "he's four yards guaranteed" on offense, and that punt return... I also had the luxury of watching a ton of PR film, and he dominated everyone but CG, and even there the was the winner. He's absolutely on par with Dergo, in terms of powering a team to greatness.
PR was a great team, but not a GOAT team. Evans is a GOAT ILHSFP
The whole final I was thinking, "he's four yards guaranteed" on offense, and that punt return... I also had the luxury of watching a ton of PR film, and he dominated everyone but CG, and even there the was the winner. He's absolutely on par with Dergo, in terms of powering a team to greatness.
PR was a great team, but not a GOAT team. Evans is a GOAT ILHSFP
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But did he go pro? That's the question. If not, he wasn't great. According to what I'm hearing.
As a guy from Iowa city who spends too much time on the Hawkeye board and posts occasionally but mostly lurks on this board, I thought I'd respond.
First of all, love Samson as a recruit . So happy we got him. Kid is just a great athlete, a warrior and a winner. I think someone implied he was battling through injuries this year. Anyway, first of all as to the question about what position he plays at Iowa it is without doubt WR. That has been very public and the fact that he wanted to stay on offense, but clearly he's not an "Iowa type" pro style QB. Personally I watch his tape and see All Big 10 safety all the way, but I'm not a coach.
Secondly, as to the comment to the point that he was "unquestionably the best player on the team all three years". That's probably true, but he was actually demoted from a 3* to a 2* on rivals recently. Imagine that from a kid we are arguing as one of the greatest in Illinois ever. And Iowa also landed his teammate OL Jeff Jenkins who is a 3*, so I suppose that is open to debate. Just thought I'd point out -- and I love the kid -- even after his great senior championship run he was downgraded to a 2* talent
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Right. You can be a great HS player and not go pro, or you could be like Clay Mathews who was just not very good in HS and only got offers from div. 1 and community colleges.
Man, I put the elder Randle-El above all. Guy was a magician. That said, I get both sides of the argument here. I think you can be one of the GOATs while playing in a class lower than 7A. At the same time Evans really didn't play one of the teams known for hard nosed stout D. Good teams no doubt, but defense specifically.
For example my favorite Bolingbrook runningback of all time was Dale Martin. Kid did some amazing things for 3 years, but it got a little bit tougher against LWE and WWS. He didn't look as great in those games outside of some flashes. Now Bailey on the other hand was able to perform against the LWE's and Loyola's and MC's. Not saying Evans couldn't, just saying I understand the argument.
Personally, I think you have to include the kid in the discussion. To quote the late great Bernie Mac when speaking to the unquestionable greatest movie basketball player of all time, Tom Shephard, "They can't erase what we were." You can't erase Samson's production.
For example my favorite Bolingbrook runningback of all time was Dale Martin. Kid did some amazing things for 3 years, but it got a little bit tougher against LWE and WWS. He didn't look as great in those games outside of some flashes. Now Bailey on the other hand was able to perform against the LWE's and Loyola's and MC's. Not saying Evans couldn't, just saying I understand the argument.
Personally, I think you have to include the kid in the discussion. To quote the late great Bernie Mac when speaking to the unquestionable greatest movie basketball player of all time, Tom Shephard, "They can't erase what we were." You can't erase Samson's production.
