Completely agree.
What's also true is when what's asked of student athletes is lowered, what you get out of students athletes is less.
Week 1 Games Of Note/Interest
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What's also true is when what's asked of student athletes is lowered, what you get out of students athletes is less.
Its a shorter bus ride than Loyola.
Please try to stay on topic. Or I'll begin recommending LWE play Coastal Carolina, Jacksonville State, Army, Navy, Air Force, Tulsa, Rice, or Wake Forest. All schools with equal to or less of a difference in student ratios to the schools you referenced. Let me know when you've got that scheduled up, ok?
Afraid of? Their entire regular season schedule is a literal play up. And then they play a playoff schedule in the playoffs. So, how about this.... every so called larger school that wants to play Leonard.... ready for this... expel enough students "Pump Up the Volume" style (Christian Slater movie) to play down. But get this, you can only expel the boys via random lottery. If you lose a stud lineman, too bad, you wouldn't have had him anyways because your school is now smaller. Lose a QB who can actually read an offense? Sucks to be you. Lose a Sam LaPorta level receiver/safety.... too effing bad. You're playing at the 754 student level now. This is why public schools typically do not play up. That said, Rochester did not bitch when the morons of the Chicago Teachers Union cost Chicago Simeon a legitimate shot at being the second CSL school to win a state title and thus forcing the Rockets into 5A.
We hear a ton of play up demands, but why not take the same risks and see how great your coaching staffs truly are? You're putting all of the onus on the kids when this discussion is had. The reason Rochester is so successful is because of the coaches.
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I was just kidding. I just like LWE playing teams they have never played before. I have said it this several times. I would love to see LWE vs ESL , CC, JCA, NAZ. I mean okay Rochester might be a stretch but I just like to see new teams. I am excited to see them line up against this Florida team. I loved seeing ESL play this schools from California . I get tired of seeing the same teams all the time. Heck it’s been years since LWE and MC locked horns. That would be a big game.
Only because they have never played before. Rochester has ruled 4A. I just like seeing new teams.
i love how he referenced a st. louis area public school kid as an example of loosing a kid at a private school just didn’t make sense
also if they don’t wanna bump up to 5a but schedule 6a + teams yes i think it’s fair to say they are scared of 5a playoffs because why couldn’t they have ? at least test it out and go back if they want
once again this goes to how strong you think your program( when i say this i literally mean everything to do with the team) is not on how many students you have…
also if they don’t wanna bump up to 5a but schedule 6a + teams yes i think it’s fair to say they are scared of 5a playoffs because why couldn’t they have ? at least test it out and go back if they want
once again this goes to how strong you think your program( when i say this i literally mean everything to do with the team) is not on how many students you have…
LWE might be able to hang with the University of Chicago Maroons for a couple of quarters right now.
Man, them Rochester* folk get all up in their britches about others telling them to take a new challenge. They've (Sprocket Nation) made it very clear they're content with free rides until the semi's. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it. That's on them, their conscience. We can however, remind them how weak that is. Play up, you've done it once (not your choice) and won another title. Your kids deserve the challenge.
Excited to watch the season long pity party from all the underachieving 4A towns. Your kids don’t deserve to experience the shine of being a state champion if they can’t handle your run of the mill suburban program. Can’t wait to hit up the Gately bathrooms with the rest of the Rochester dads as we begin our title defense here in a few weeks.
Rochester Dads, be ready for a few things. If not ticketed before arriving, prepare for a waiting experience like a Chicagoland post office - understaffed and snail's pace. Expect then a second long, slow line going through security wanding/bag-checking at the gate to the stadium. Program or roster - not happening. Finally, best to approach/leave the Gately grounds using the east direction exclusively.
And expect plenty of great seats -- 9000 or so -- each with an outstanding view of the field. There's great parking and easy access. I went to Gately for 60 years and loved the place.
Everybody makes DisgustingSounds this time of year. I am you and you are them.
Anyways, I don’t mind the wait as I expect to be on the road heading home with a win early. I hear they already started the clock.
Yeah enjoy your tune-up against an average to below-average CPL program. We're all super impressed. Best get the lubrication in place for Week 2...
Can I borrow some of yours? I know QND must have a decades worth ready before they leave the CS8 in shame.
Some of your last remaining brain cells... for this? You've done better. Rochester expects more from you.
It seems like the have nots in 4A want to push Rochester out because they can't build, compete and win against the Rockets. Its a liberal view to push a team higher than their classification. Schools should see Rochester as the bar to reach and not some undefeatable monster blocking their rightful place in 4A. Look at my favorite team Cary Grove. They controlled Mighty E St. Louis twice in 3 years. So will E St. Louis drop back down to their rightful classification EVEN when they compete against some power teams across America? E St. Louis couldn't get past Mt. Carmel in 7A and now they can't get past Cary Grove in 6A. Would CG beat Mt Carmel in 7A? Most likely not but CG doesn't belong in 7A just as Rochester doesn't belong in 5A or Lena-Winslow doesn't belong in 2A nor Byron belonging in 4A. Stop making it easy for the teams who can't compete with these schools. They need to change what they do to compete. Nick Saban changed and won some Championships with the spread offense. Change, adapt, compete and ascend or get steamrolled.
Like Rochester, Le-Win has pretty much had their way with teams since 2010. A true legend in 1A. But then here comes Camp Point last November who not only defeated Le-Win for the title, they SHUT THEM OUT. To be the best you gotta beat the best. Step up or shut up.
And I bet defeating a program which such a legacy has made that even more special for Camp Point. Instead of pouting about who’s in the way they got to work to earn something worthwhile. Now that is what high school sports are about.
What’s that saying? Losers whine about trying their best, winners go home and…?
My point has nothing to do with making it easier for other teams to win, it's more about teams like Rochester and LeWin not wanting to be challenged and being satisfied as the big fish in a Small Pond. If CG rattles off 6 or 7 titles in 8 years you wouldn't wonder what they would be capable of in 7A? ESL doesn't apply here because regardless of what they do they still petition up. Something every other school is scared to do.
I'm a firm believer in getting better to beat the best, but that applies to the best teams as well. What does Rochester have to accomplish in 4A at this point or LeWin in 1A?
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All this is true but it also can be true that a team is so dominate that a coach is failing his kids by not providing a new challenge for them and playing up a class. Cough Cough Byron Tigers
I think we're a year or so off from calling for Byron to play up. It may just be that they have a few phenomenal classes coming through rather than sustained dominance. They've won 3A 2 of the last 3 years, but prior to that their last championship was 1999.
Some of these match ups can be solved without petitioning up. IMO more teams should follow ESL's model for non conf scheduling. Unless a team is in a closed conference like Byron, Cary-Grove, etc, give another elite program and call and say lets sign a home and away! Some of these games might even turn into an annual tradition. How about Morris v Lemont? Short bus ride and both towns rabid about hs football.
1. As Sunkett said in 2019 when they weren’t allowed to petition up “all state championship trophies are gold”.
2. Spoken like a true, devout loser. They accomplish a state championship. Buckle up you jealous child while Rochester runs through to another state championship. If you’ve ever seen the excitement and jubilation on a Rocket sideline you’d realize that we too believe “all state championship trophies are gold”.
Number 10 coming up soon. Bet you’ve never even won 10 prizes in a Cracker Jack box.
Would have loved to see Rochester play up in 5A this year...
Go watch us drop 50 on Chatham who is allegedly going to make a 6A run. There, are you weirdos happy?
I’ll talk to Derek about scheduling the Bears next year so you weirdos don’t spend all summer clutching your pearls about big, bad Rochester taking what they have earned and what they deserve.
I really wish they would go back to 1-32 for all classes. I have nothing but GREAT respect for Coach Leonard and the Rochester program. They churn out great teams year in and year out. However, since I started keeping a closer eye on the 4A brackets about 6-7 years ago, the quality of teams in the North versus the South is a touch lopsided in my humble opinion. If we had 1-32 for everyone, my belief is that it would create some really fun games to watch earlier in the playoffs (2nd round/quarters). Specifically looking at the past 6 years or so, who is actually good down there besides Rochester and SHG? Meanwhile, look at the northern brackets during the same time period and its just not very close when you compare quality teams. I really wish the IHSA would take a look at 1-32 again. And AGAIN, this doesn't take away anything from Rochester, they very well may have the same amount of championships over that time period but it would have undoubtedly been more difficult to achieve.
My #1 beef with the IHSA. Let's have a true champion in all classes and not north vs. South in classes below 7A.
But what you are doing is punishing a team for being successful. Rochester will be able to schedule larger schools twice every season which should satisfy your need for them to "play up!" We have had several ways to fill out the classes in playoffs. We used to go by the average enrollment of your opponents that set your teams enrollment for the playoffs. We have the multiplier which I believe should always be used. I don't agree that a multiplied school being punished by forcing them higher in classification. Do you want to see Rochester being pushed up to the 6-8A playoffs when they continue to win state championships? Hell no! In no way is your opinion logical in the moralistic sense. Say your the hardest working guy at your company yet the boss comes to you with added workload because the other workers are not hard workers. Is this acceptable to you? Would you take their workloads on your own? Again, HELL NO you wont and you would be pissed. I'm not pissed at Rochester winning all the time and in truth I look to see what the other schools do to become competitive against the Rockets. You say Rochester needs to move up to be "challenged" but I say the 4A schools need to challenge themselves to become better so they can challenge Rochester. Speaking of Le-Win being pushed to the 2A playoffs. Have you ever been on a 1A team bumped up to 2A? Ive coached where our teams, with a chance maybe to get some hardware, were bumped up to 2A and ran into the Runner-up one year, losing by 20 something points and the next year getting run over and shut out. We didn't b*tch about it. I will tell you that within the next decade you will see schools consolidating, coop-ing or closing in 1A so you may get your wish. Lets say that school such as Stockton or Pearl City or Orangeville COOP with Lena causing Lena to move to 2A where Lena wins 5 state championships in a row, do you now move up Lena to 3A? Where does it stop? Camp Point has a really good coach and that staff has built a very good program. It took time, hard work, and blood, sweat and tears to finally achieve winning the championship. If they win this year people will say "Challenge" yourself and move up. Punishing teams for success is madness. Did the NFL kick New England out of the NFL because of their run? I mean with your stand I would think that since the Pat's went to 9 Superbowls in 17 year span winning 7 they should not be able to play in the playoffs for 2 seasons or lose their draft picks for 3 years. Crazy right? I can give examples of craziness. Lets say if Mt. Carmel loses 3 straight years in the 7A playoffs and they get dropped to 5A that would be crazy right?! There's always going to be the disgruntled fan, coach, school, conference that will want something done to punish success and its insane, demented, unhinged and fanatical!
