What is confusing? IHSA has said they wanted greater representation in the state playoffs. Due to their refusal to properly seed teams so they can accommodate this agenda that mirrors DEI, you got better matchups in 1a - 4a in the quarters and semis. The public schools in the finals would have been eliminated by better public schools in earlier rounds. This isn’t difficult to understand.
Please don’t let this happen
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Come on man. That’s weak. Someone recruiting a dozen or so 8th graders per program is somehow stacking the deck in their favor three or four years later? You want separation and all of this drama because of that? Still have to develop the kids, keep them together, keep them in the school, etc.
My son goes to a 7a public school that is successful in football. I guarantee these coaches have it much easier and better than what MC and LA have.
You shouldn't guarantee something you have not lived. Unless you have coached at both types of institutions, I think you can make assumptions but not guarantees. Also, what aspects of coaching is easier and better for your public school coaches than what MC and LA have?
This statement makes me skeptical about your opinions and ideas pertaining to the 1A-4A publics.
Of course there are a lot of similarities, but there are some key differences between larger suburban public schools and the smaller rural ones.
Population/enrollment and general demographics are the biggest.
The post I replied to mentioned a scenario where they were competing against a program that “recruited a dozen or so 8th graders” Previously in the thread, this was defined as recruiting for athletic purposes. He then went on to mention that his school was a “successful” 7A public program.
A school of that size should have much greater potential and ability to develop and field an adequate team than a school of 450 total.
I have.
With zero effort 60 freshman show up every year. The core - at least 30 - have played together for multiple years in the feeder program. They know each other. Every year at least two freshman QBs have ran the offense and know the plays.
The coaches work hard, but they don’t have to stress about numbers or enrollment because it is given to them. They have very good facilities and funding. They don’t have to grind at everything.
My reference to 1a - 4a was that IHSA is at fault for their seeding. The IHSA wants broader exposure to the playoff experience. With that you got teams in the final that shouldn’t have been there. Because they were in the final they received some sense of entitlement of being the self imposed public school champion only to be running clocked by a private. When the truth is those schools for the most part shouldn’t have been in the final as evidence by the better quarter and semi match ups the private schools faced.
Here’s a playoff proposal I don’t think I’ve seen yet. Each year let public schools that qualify for the playoffs opt into a public-only playoffs. This allows privates to stay in the IHSA, allows publics that want the competition to continue facing them in the playoffs, and allows those publics that want to face only other publics divisions/classes that the IHSA will seed by enrollment.
There definitely will be several public only classes. If all of the publics opt in so be it. However, I bet this gets us closer to an “open” class where the programs that feel they are best can compete. It will have several highly competitive mixed classes and several public only classes where there won’t be complaining. Everyone wins.
There definitely will be several public only classes. If all of the publics opt in so be it. However, I bet this gets us closer to an “open” class where the programs that feel they are best can compete. It will have several highly competitive mixed classes and several public only classes where there won’t be complaining. Everyone wins.
I see what you are saying. The North-South split has historically been lopsided in favor of the north, although every once in a while the south will get one.
As far as I can tell it's likely hit or miss. I ran 3A and 5A through "Typical" 1-32 seeding and it got the de-facto champ game right (Byron and Montini on opposite sides of bracket), but in 5A it put Naz-JCA in a quarters bracket (along with semifinalist St. Francis). And it's not like it got Byron-Montini as 1-2. Montini was I think 14. So a random win or loss here or there and change in playoff qualifiers/seeding could pretty easily have moved them into a quarter or semi bracket with Byron.
Yea because of the generic win based seeding method, you’ll almost never get a representative from the CCL that is seeded “correctly,” especially in the middle classes. Even the biggest schools rarely escape that gauntlet without a loss or two.
Montini did get the best of it by being the host for the Byron game despite being a pretty low seed. The semifinal as well FWIW. I’ve noticed over the years that the turf spread teams often seem to be noticeably affected when they have to go play on grass and mud.
I still don't see the connection.
You highlighted his comments about his son going to a 7A public school that is successful in football, and then you commented on how that makes you skeptical about his 1A-4A comments. Those comments focused on the recent 1A-4A title game outcomes being the fault of the IHSA for its geographical bracketing format. What am I missing here?
Very interesting. Although it could result in a delayed NIPL, I think it could work for a while.
He followed up and clarified, and I realized that I read more into his original comments than was intended. It was my mistake. I wholeheartedly agree with his thoughts regarding lopsided title games and the north/south split.
I think the NIPL is inevitable. This is a new account but I’ve been on this board since like 2003 so I remember when the NIPL was first proposed.
With this it approach it puts on the public schools to opt in to their own divisions vs a knee jerk reaction that forces privates out. I am skeptical that many of the public coaches actually want to be separated. I have a feeling this is mostly driven by upset parents and fans. But over time I agree, give me the NIPL.
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