OL didn't help Waldron and Waldron didn't help the OL. A symbiosis of suck
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What?! The generational can't miss, franchise QB, #1 pick might just not be the guy??? Who would have thought that?
He does have talent. He just holds onto the ball to long like Fields and accuracy is off and I don't have evidence but I have a feeling he just really is not a leader.
Holding onto the ball to long seems to be a fixable issue. Former Bears QB Erik Kramer stated he could fix the issue if he were working with these QBs.
Judging on who they picked to be the OC, perhaps they also swung and missed on the QB as well.
I really really really want to see what Baegent can do now.
I think it is easier to fix holding on to the ball trying to make a play with your arm rather than taking off to run all the time like Fields.
They also could really focus on short quick routes...
Calling passing plays for which you cannot pass block also likely means you call running plays for which you cannot run block. Ain't much left to call after that.
Four years ago, this kid was playing high school football.
He was all hyped up by the media and fans, and that served to raise expectations to an unrealistic level. I just don't think that 9 games into a rookie season, and with precious few exhibition game snaps, we ought to be passing judgment on this kid.
He is facing the same fate that all recent highly touted Bears QBs have faced: a mediocre at best O line. It boggles my mind how the Bears keep making the same mistake over and over again for what seems like DECADES.
For the record, I was among those who wished the Bears had kept Fields, traded down, acquired more picks, and used them to draft and/or trade for talented O line players to protect him.
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There are a bunch of good points on the recent posts. First of all I am not throwing Williams overboard yet. It is way too early. If anyone is most responsible for his results so far it's the organization and coaches.
First, they draft this kid number 1 and sell him as the QB savior.
Second, they name him the starting QB without any competition to actually win the job. Even if it was something similar to an actual battle it would have helped. The kid knew he had the job before preseason. Big mistake.
Third, they throw him out there with very little playing time in the preseason. Yeah, you don't want him to get hurt. But is it OK to get him killed now?
Fourth, they give him an OL that couldn't block me and he gets very little if no time to throw which leads to nine sacks on Sunday. If you put a lot of pressure on any QB in the league their performance will suffer.
Fifth, the play calling for this kid and the team has been awful. They throw when they should run and vice-versa and give the ball to an O-Lineman at the goal line with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.
Sixth, they take Cole Kmet completely out as an option to Williams. Kmet wasn't doing bad at all! In the first six games he had 29 targets and he caught 26 of those passes, for 289 yards and scored 3 TDs. In the last three games he has had five targets, including none against Arizona and one against Washington. 27 yards and no TDs. It might not seem like a big thing, but put together a lot of things like that and here we are.
Of course there are several more things I could list. Why bother. All I can say is, here we go again!
First, they draft this kid number 1 and sell him as the QB savior.
Second, they name him the starting QB without any competition to actually win the job. Even if it was something similar to an actual battle it would have helped. The kid knew he had the job before preseason. Big mistake.
Third, they throw him out there with very little playing time in the preseason. Yeah, you don't want him to get hurt. But is it OK to get him killed now?
Fourth, they give him an OL that couldn't block me and he gets very little if no time to throw which leads to nine sacks on Sunday. If you put a lot of pressure on any QB in the league their performance will suffer.
Fifth, the play calling for this kid and the team has been awful. They throw when they should run and vice-versa and give the ball to an O-Lineman at the goal line with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.
Sixth, they take Cole Kmet completely out as an option to Williams. Kmet wasn't doing bad at all! In the first six games he had 29 targets and he caught 26 of those passes, for 289 yards and scored 3 TDs. In the last three games he has had five targets, including none against Arizona and one against Washington. 27 yards and no TDs. It might not seem like a big thing, but put together a lot of things like that and here we are.
Of course there are several more things I could list. Why bother. All I can say is, here we go again!
Did the Bears think leaking the new stadium "news" was going to distract fans from getting rid of Waldron?
Don't look over there look over here to our new stadium option.
Don't look over there look over here to our new stadium option.
Question, is Williams holding on to the ball a function of the play calling and the receivers not getting open? Add the worst o-line in the league and its no wonder that he is failing.
And they released Nate Davis today. How much of a cancer was that guy when a team that is desperate for O-linemen shows you the door? Davis got 30 million for 3 years. Chalk that up as another personnel blunder for Poles. It was worse than the Chase Claypool trade.
At minimum Caleb needs to run forward with the ball and get out of bounds or slide for whatever yardage he can get. Don't run east and west forever behind the line of scrimmage.
If this is not an option then throw the ball away
It's like he's going out of his way to prove he's not a running QB.
I've heard on some of the shows that this is not necessarily a good attribute in that he seeks lower round and lower rank FA talent (rather than 1st Rd and marquee FAs) because he sees himself in them.
Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023).
Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).
Not exactly sure the point of this post, but you can't compare college numbers to pro.
I was checking the numbers because Greg Cosell stated Caleb was sacked 80 times during his last two years at USC.
So this getting sacked all the time does not look like a Waldron problem but rather a Caleb problem.
Again, you can't compare college to NFL. How many of his OL at USC are currently in the NFL?
Caleb holds on to the ball so long. Him getting sacked as much as he does is as much his fault, if not more, than anyone else.
Absolutely agree he holds the ball too long and that's on him but comparing college to NFL stats isn't nearly the same
I couldn’t agree with you more about keeping Fields, or letting Bagent start, and acquiring draft picks to build a strong O-line.
Yes, I think there were around .34 left. I know 46 yards is a chip shot nowadays, but try and get it closer. If he wasn't under a microscope, maybe people wouldn't be questioning it. However , he put himself in this damn situation, and deserves to be called out on every little thing.
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