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Higher seeds should get the home game.

Per the CFP website.

"The committee will rank 25 teams. The five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams will be in the playoff."

Yes, they only SEED 12 teams only because there are only 12 teams in the playoffs, but they use the same criteria to RANK all 25 teams, not a separate set of data points for the top 12 and another set of data points for the remaining 13 teams.

Here is the source. Please read and let me know where the committee uses a different criteria when SEEDING 1-12 versus RANKING the top 25. The only difference is putting the conference champs ahead of the rest, but the criteria doesn't change.




Yes, it is essentially what happens now, so why are you using a tournament that does something similar in terms of seeding as an example?!


Correct, there is a difference when ranking vs. seeding the top 12, but the only difference is that the top 4 RANKED conference champs get the top 4 SEEDS and the 5th RANKED conference champ gets into the playoffs regardless of their rank. The criteria used to determine their RANK does not change to determine their SEED. It's only based on whether they win their conference.

Doing what you imply would be like using KenPom as the exclusive source to select the NCAA tournament teams and then the committee would exclusively determine the teams seeding once in the tourney and that's not what happens. The committee uses the same criteria when determining if the 4th ranked A10 team should get into the tournament over the 4th ranked SoCon team as they do to determine whether that team is worthy of a 10 seed or a 12 seed.
"The only difference is putting the conference champs ahead of the rest, but the criteria doesn't change."

That sentence, which you wrote, demonstrates there is a difference between the criteria used for ranking the teams and the criteria used for seeding the teams.

If two different sets of criteria were not used for the two tasks, then the 12 teams in the playoff would always be the top 12 ranked teams, and they would always be seeded in the exact same order they were ranked.

Why is it so hard for you to concede that point? Conceding that point does not mean your whole argument becomes invalid. The different playoff structures exist because different people, and different groups of people (organizations), value the trade-offs that are involved differently. That is a matter of personal preference. It doesn't universally make one playoff structure right, and all others wrong.

Not acknowledging when another person has made a perfectly logical point merely diminishes your credibility, because others begin believing you are not a reasonable person.

As one small point in his overall argument, jha618 was trying to demonstrate that some organizations do in fact sometimes use different criteria for seeding teams than the criteria they used for selecting teams for a playoff. That fact seems to be indisputable, and yet you continue to dispute it.

Potentially least competitive quarterfinal games

LWE's closest game is 21 pts. They have scored 40 points in 8 of 10 games.

They will beat Stevenson by at least 28.

I predict they win state by over 21 pts.

Coach Z will tell everyone at the end of the season this is the best team he has coached.
I am not sure he will say that. The 2005 team was pretty special offensively and defensively. Of course I am a bit partial to that team my son was a part of. 😊
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8A QTRS who you got and why

Game 25 — #9 Lincolnshire (Stevenson) (10-1) at #1 Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East) (11-0), Fri., Nov. 15, 7:00 pm.
Game 26 — #20 Park Ridge (Maine South) (8-3) at #12 Wilmette (Loyola Academy) (9-2), Sat., Nov. 16, 1:30 pm
Game 27 — #7 Naperville (Central) (10-1) at #2 LaGrange (Lyons) (11-0), Fri., Nov. 15, 7:00 pm
Game 28 — #27 Gurnee (Warren) (7-4) at #14 Elmhurst (York) (9-2), Fri., Nov. 15, 7:30 pm

LWE running clock. 49-0
Maine South in 20-17
LTHS 31-28
Warren 49-48
Gimme Beast in a drubbing 49-7
Got Loyola on a Buzzer FG 31-28
LT 24-17
York in a 1 hour 15 minute game 38-14
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York will be favored - better record & home team. Warren has been on the road most of the year. So, it should be an interesting game. No rain in forecast but temp will be in the upper/mid 40's. I see a pretty low scoring game. I like this game because they are both mid/lower seeded (14 vs. 27) both will be underdogs the rest of the way. Warren is playing with house money at this point. Hopefully, Six Flags will stay open another week in November. The FLAG !
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Higher seeds should get the home game.

The CFP committee only SEEDS 12 teams for a spot to play in the playoffs..
Per the CFP website.

"The committee will rank 25 teams. The five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams will be in the playoff."

Yes, they only SEED 12 teams only because there are only 12 teams in the playoffs, but they use the same criteria to RANK all 25 teams, not a separate set of data points for the top 12 and another set of data points for the remaining 13 teams.

Here is the source. Please read and let me know where the committee uses a different criteria when SEEDING 1-12 versus RANKING the top 25. The only difference is putting the conference champs ahead of the rest, but the criteria doesn't change.


Sure. But isnt that essentially what happens now to a degree when the conf champ goes 9-0 in an inferior conf and gets a higher seed because they have a better record than a 2nd place team from a much tougher conf? THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TRYING TO PREVENT! Its like you understand my point but you are doing everything you can not to admit it.

I have also never advocated for IHSA conf champs to receive priority seeding.

Yes, it is essentially what happens now, so why are you using a tournament that does something similar in terms of seeding as an example?!

There is 100% a difference in how they RANK the top 12 and how they SEED the top 12. Both rankings and seeding play a role in the playoff bracket.
Correct, there is a difference when ranking vs. seeding the top 12, but the only difference is that the top 4 RANKED conference champs get the top 4 SEEDS and the 5th RANKED conference champ gets into the playoffs regardless of their rank. The criteria used to determine their RANK does not change to determine their SEED. It's only based on whether they win their conference.

Doing what you imply would be like using KenPom as the exclusive source to select the NCAA tournament teams and then the committee would exclusively determine the teams seeding once in the tourney and that's not what happens. The committee uses the same criteria when determining if the 4th ranked A10 team should get into the tournament over the 4th ranked SoCon team as they do to determine whether that team is worthy of a 10 seed or a 12 seed.
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