SEHSSTORM1 said:

Is it adults staying out of kids sports when they attend all of their youth games and call them on the phone to beg them to attend their high school? 40 year old men calling 13 year old boys to beg them for their services.

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EdgyTim said:

Pretty simple question this week........so what's the fix in your opinion? How do we fix the current IHSA state playoff format and system? Do we separate public from private? Add stricter guard rails in place?

My feeling? Can we TRY seeding 1-32 in all classes to start with....then also look at the whole impact of multipliers/success factors? Personally...after seeing literally daily debate on this subject for well over 30 plus years.....can we finally just put public/private to a member wide vote and just accept the results and live with them/move on?

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SEHSSTORM1 said:

I like your overall philosophy here, except there's one issue I can't understand.....if the goal is to be the best you can be, do rules matter? Or is it simply justifiable to skirt rules, or have certain rules available only to a select few, in order to be "one's best?" Honestly, serious question. I don't want to come across as attacking, but you are moving the goal posts.

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jwarigaku said:

Wilmington can’t get kids Lisle can get, but they seem to have no problem kicking their ass most years. Byron seems to have no issue taking Montini to the wire this season and straight up beat them last season. I’ll stick to my guns of adults needing to stay out of kids sports and stop giving them excuses to lose.

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Dave Brody said:

Multiplier takes care of the level. My question is about the Success Factor and whether or not it should be applied to Public’s who have had long sustained success like the teams mentioned above (and possibly more).

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LakeCtyNewt said:

To me it’s a bigger issue in the smaller classes than in the larger ones.

Lena etc can’t pull from the talent pool and range that someone like althoff can. Thai ain’t about Bobby Brady everyone gets a trophy it’s about operating from the same principles and playing fields.

Wilmington can’t go get kids that Montini can get. Sycamore can’t get kids in their town like Nazareth or Joliet or Providence can.

Providence is probably a bad example as LW schools seem to keep their own in districts.

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jwarigaku said:

Changing goal posts again? I don’t get it, is it about winning trophy’s or being the best you can be. It seems these days we don’t strive to be the best we can be, but to have others tell us we are the best because we are working towards mediocrity. I’ve had my kids in public then private in Illinois and then public in PA. Tell the kids to work their ass off and be the best they can and get the adults egos out of the equation. If you want New Jersey and kids being recruited from 8 states separated, please don’t complain about how watered down public school ball is because every top tier athlete goes private to make sure they get their college recruitment handled by competent coaches(note I’m not saying all coaches in public schools are incompetent, but if you separate all the recruiting and pay rules go out the window)

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jwarigaku said:

Changing goal posts again? I don’t get it, is it about winning trophy’s or being the best you can be. It seems these days we don’t strive to be the best we can be, but to have others tell us we are the best because we are working towards mediocrity. I’ve had my kids in public then private in Illinois and then public in PA. Tell the kids to work their ass off and be the best they can and get the adults egos out of the equation. If you want New Jersey and kids being recruited from 8 states separated, please don’t complain about how watered down public school ball is because every top tier athlete goes private to make sure they get their college recruitment handled by competent coaches(note I’m not saying all coaches in public schools are incompetent, but if you separate all the recruiting and pay rules go out the window)

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Snetsrak61 said:

And then it went from I think a 5 year cycle with I believe 1 playoff win to a 2 year 3 win cycle. I don't believe any of the bottom 4 class winners would have been in their class under the old waiver system.

Why that was changed... I don't know. Best speculation I have seen it was changed to align with 2 year cycle of the I'll fated district proposal (same as for why SF changed to 2 year cycle).

Of course, complaints of fairness existed in the old waiver system too...

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LakeCtyNewt said:

It’s kind of a misleading stat as the bulk of private schools do not normally compete at 8A. Private schools have won 5 8A titles and only Mt Carmel and Loyola have won them - Marist and Rice are the only other schools to play in 8A title games and both lost to private school teams.

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McCaravan said:

Geneva, York and Batavia made it to the championship game, so yeah they came close! NC got knocked out by York in the semis, not a private, NC knocked out Lyons in the quarterfinals. And obviously LWE came extremely close to knocking off LA in the semifinals. I can't wrap my head around how you think SOS is not a factor. It clearly is.

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McCaravan said:

Geneva, York and Batavia made it to the championship game, so yeah they came close! NC got knocked out by York in the semis, not a private, NC knocked out Lyons in the quarterfinals. And obviously LWE came extremely close to knocking off LA in the semifinals. I can't wrap my head around how you think SOS is not a factor. It clearly is.

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jwarigaku said:

Speaking about the publics, there are more publics that have competed and won 8A

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jwarigaku said:

Speaking about the publics, there are more publics that have competed and won 8A

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LakeCtyNewt said:

So was it poor coaching at Maroa and Byron and Lena and Wilmington?

Now keep in mind these are historically solid programs with multiple state title appearances yet somehow they were poorly coached or improperly prepared?

Take a look at the roster of Althoff. 8 kids who currently reside in St. Louis. You think Lena should go to Rockford and get a lineman or running back? Is that your solution?

Should York be able to go to Naperville and get a tackle, or Maroa go to Champaign to get a wide receiver?

If you’re ok with it then it’s zero boundaries for all and let the bidding process begin.

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crazylegs777 said:

If you can read what I said was the cop was a friend of the dad having a kid on the West Lawn team. I was 12. This was back in 83

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PowerI66 said:

Looks like they hosted Provi in 2017?

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SEHSSTORM1 said:

There are only 5 private schools that have competed in the largest class. Marist, BR, MC, Loyola and Iggy. And recently 3 of them have bowed out.

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PowerI66 said:

So your cop friend is openly sharing juvenile records? That's fun!

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crusader_of_90 said:

The USA Today picked up the Althoff title game story.

Oregon commit racks up over 500 yards, scores 7 TDs in Illinois state title win

Oregon recruit Dierre Hill broke several Illinois state-title game records as Belleville Althoff won the Class 1A title over Lena-Winslow.

www.usatodayhss.com

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wickerpark wildcat said:

With all this talk going on, I got a chuckle yesterday during the Illini game when Jordan Anderson got his 1st carry of the year. Announcer says, "Jordan Anderson, from Naperville", and I was like, "Nah, he went to Joliet Catholic".... then, of course, I look it up and his hometown is Naperville. Hey, I'm all for parents doing whatever is best for their kids, but as someone said above, there is a reason FBS & FCS are different... they play by different rules.

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firstdown21 said:

Neutral site for quarters and semis like Ohio does.

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LakeCtyNewt said:

So was it poor coaching at Maroa and Byron and Lena and Wilmington?

Now keep in mind these are historically solid programs with multiple state title appearances yet somehow they were poorly coached or improperly prepared?

Take a look at the roster of Althoff. 8 kids who currently reside in St. Louis. You think Lena should go to Rockford and get a lineman or running back? Is that your solution?

Should York be able to go to Naperville and get a tackle, or Maroa go to Champaign to get a wide receiver?

If you’re ok with it then it’s zero boundaries for all and let the bidding process begin.

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