Here is a useful link for more specifics on the actual rule (links to a pff)

What has to happen for a sport or activity program at a non-boundaried school to be subject to the success factor . 1 The success factor will be applied to a program if it wins a state tournament trophy in both years of the two-year window (2017-18 and 2018-19). The resulting classification will be one class above the lowest classification in which a trophy was won. Thus if a program won one trophy in Class 2A and one in Class 3A, the team would be placed in Class 3A during the next classification cycle. The success factor usually raises a program's classification. But exceptions can also occur when a program is already competing in the highest class, or when the school's enrollment has increased to the point where it would be placed in a higher class regardless of the success factor.

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Sorry for crappy formatting of the quote - I'm on my phone.

USD24 said:

IMO
1. MC
2.JC
3. ESL
4.Providence
5. SHG
6. Maine South
7. WWS
8. Lena

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Le-Win was #22

12 Batavia
10 CG
9 Carmel
8 Nap Central
6 LWE

4Afan said:

Thank you. That's all I was originally asking for.

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I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing that 750+ max is something they just aren't interested in. As far as I know they are still turning away students. I can only imagine they felt 750+ wasn't conducive to the actual facilities even if you could cram them in. Seems like they're more comfortable at that 720-730 range based on the size and facilities they have.

So yea enrollment is down from their high but I don't beleive it's the typical "declining catholic school enrollment" problem at all.

All.... Been doing it for decades. What I do and at times it ends up that the rodent has to purchase an exta ticket is this. Early arrival to the game. If the gate is open I stroll in and go up into the stands and tape down my puke green blanket that has more holes in it from years and years of use then swiss cheese. Then of couse go out in the parking lot and set up yes..... the tailgate. Ratsy likes walking in 5 minutes before the game starts to an awaiting blanket covered area on the 50 yard line. If the gate is locked as soon as ticket sales start I do the same thing and go back outside where the fun is at which of course causes that extra ticket purchase

Only one controversy I remember ever happening. SHG used to play all of their games at the public school stadium in Springfield that had seating of about 6000. Well there was this one gent that would always end up sitting in a particular area right under the press box on the 50. He didn't put a blanket down but thought in his mind he had squatter rights on this two foot section of tin.

I don't know how early he would arrive but had been sitting in that exact area for decades. Not this time. A high roller doctor in town with his family just happen to be sitting in his magical spot. He wanted them out and a huge argument occured almost to a put up your dukes incident. The doctor (also a benefactor) goes to the SHG administration and raises holy hell about all the blankets taking up seating area and what happened at that game.

It actually made the Springfield newspaper. The doctor was even quoted when mentioning blankets about one pea green one with holes in it that looked disgusting. Haaaaa.... The heat on blankets down only lasted a few games and it was back to normal as usual. Ratsy

4Afan said:

Will cost them. MC or JCA will be #1

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IMO
1. MC
2.JC
3. ESL
4.Providence
5. SHG
6. Maine South
7. WWS
8. ??

Irish LB said:

I think Naz has naturally fallen in 6a one or two times in history. Naz’s enrollment fluctuates from 715-780. I believe right around 780 is absolute max capacity and they will not grow larger than that. So yes the enrollment could dip and grow a little but we are talking about 50 students or so. Naz will mostly have a multiplied enrollment toward the high end of 5a with the outside chance of falling in 6a in the years where an unusual amount of smaller schools qualify.

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Thank you. That's all I was originally asking for.

jocas1259 said:

I believe enrollment is just under 750

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Gotcha and multiplied this year is 1180. What has the number been the last two years? Meaning what will their multiplied number look like next year.

4Afan said:

Kind of what I was getting at with Naz. I was more asking about their enrollment than anything and should their enrollment push them to 6A would success factor make them 7A. Kind of a chicken or the egg scenario with whether the success factor or the multiplier comes first. All a moot point if their enrollment has remained relatively the same.

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I believe enrollment is just under 750

cornerrat said:

All.... The language on the SF factor states a school can only be bumped up ONE class. It didn't happen with SHG (and could of) but that multiplied enrollment of 884 was hovering close to Class 4A. It wouldn't of mattered though if when the qualifiers were announced that number fell into 4A. The SF penalty put them into 5A for the two seasons.

So where it could get interesting and confusing would be the following scenario. If private school X has met the SF rule playing class 5A. But said schools enrollment has exploded when the new two year enrollment average comes out. Multiplied that new number puts them into class 7A. I couldn't imagine this ever happening with declining enrollment of Catholic schools everywhere. Ratsy

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Kind of what I was getting at with Naz. I was more asking about their enrollment than anything and should their enrollment push them to 6A would success factor make them 7A. Kind of a chicken or the egg scenario with whether the success factor or the multiplier comes first. All a moot point if their enrollment has remained relatively the same.

All.... The language on the SF factor states a school can only be bumped up ONE class. It didn't happen with SHG (and could of) but that multiplied enrollment of 884 was hovering close to Class 4A. It wouldn't of mattered though if when the qualifiers were announced that number fell into 4A. The SF penalty put them into 5A for the two seasons.

So where it could get interesting and confusing would be the following scenario. If private school X has met the SF rule playing class 5A. But said schools enrollment has exploded when the new two year enrollment average comes out. Multiplied that new number puts them into class 7A. I couldn't imagine this ever happening with declining enrollment of Catholic schools everywhere. Ratsy

godfthr53 said:

Wow. Read the rule and the thread.

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That's why I'm asking, enlighten me.

So the the success factor supercedes the multiplier? A win Saturday kicks in the success factor, making Naz 6A next year, I get that. Should Naz's multiplied enrollment next year place them in 6A naturally would they not be success factored up to 7A?

12-10-9-8-6

12 Batavia
10 CG
9 LWE
8 Nap Central
6 MC

Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s how it works one more real life example and so you don’t accuse me of sandbagging in this one I’ll pick one that isn’t Naz who in my opinion is at the very least a 4 score home dog tomorrow like I’m talking 3 TDs and a FG type of blowout. Anyway….if you look at this year’s SHG team I believe they are being SF’d to 5a (up from 4a title) BUT SHG having already been punished for being a private school with a multiplier has an enrollment of 884 putting it in 5a naturally therefore no need to double punish them they are already being forced to play bigger schools

4Afan said:

Honestly, is that how it works? If their enrollment numbers rise and they're naturally 6A then the success factor goes away?

As it stands now, if they win Saturday they would be success factored up to 6A next year, but if their enrollment has increased over the past 2 years and they would be multiplied to 6A based on enrollment, so wouldn't the success factor place them in 7A?

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Wow. Read the rule and the thread.

Lombard (Montini)
Chicago (Gordon Tech)
Wheaton (St. Francis)
Morris (H.S.)
Chicago (Mount Carmel)
Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East)

St. Ignatius

tuccs said:

I answered that pretty clear as day the same way everyone else has answered it. I believe the success factor doesn’t look at enrollment but rather the class in which you competed for a state title in a 2 year window. Should Naz “naturally” fit into 6a next year there would be no need to SF them as they will be in a higher class than the one in which they were having success.

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Honestly, is that how it works? If their enrollment numbers rise and they're naturally 6A then the success factor goes away?

As it stands now, if they win Saturday they would be success factored up to 6A next year, but if their enrollment has increased over the past 2 years and they would be multiplied to 6A based on enrollment, so wouldn't the success factor place them in 7A?

4Afan said:

Yeah, wasn't looking for sandbagging for an actual question. Has Naz's enrollment grown since the last 2 year cycle? Would their multiplier put them in 6A regardless of success factor next year? Meaning success factor puts them in 7A?

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I answered that pretty clear as day the same way everyone else has answered it. I believe the success factor doesn’t look at enrollment but rather the class in which you competed for a state title in a 2 year window. Should Naz “naturally” fit into 6a next year there would be no need to SF them as they will be in a higher class than the one in which they were having success.

godfthr53 said:

18 and 19 had different rules. Which bumped them up 2 classes. The rules back then were a 4 year rolling Cycle.

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Was it? When did they go to a 2 year cycle for enrollment?

CGsupporter said:

Couldn’t get that link to work, but here is something from WMU:

Addison West Named Outland Trophy Semifinalist - Western Michigan University Athletics

KALAMAZOO, Mich. – Western Michigan senior guard Addison West has been named one of seven Semifinalists for the Outland Trophy, announced Wednesday evening.

wmubroncos.com

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I think they took the original post (I that I posted down) here is the updated version- https://www.sportswriters.net/fwaa/...s-seven-semifinalists-for-2024-outland-trophy

4Afan said:

Thank you.

Was their enrollment that much higher in '18 and '19 when they were bumped up to 7A? Not starting anything, honestly asking. Seems like a similar situation unless their actual enrollment has dropped recently, which wouldn't be unheard of for a private school these days.

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18 and 19 had different rules. Which bumped them up 2 classes. The rules back then were a 4 year rolling Cycle.

Maj2023 said:

ESL already is playing up. Actually they wanted. To go higher than 6a (7 or 8) but there conference would not let them

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Yeah, we know. Welcome to the conversation.

Maj2023 said:

1 ESL HOW MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS WOULD THEY HAVE IF THEY DIDnt PLAY UP IN 6a 7A
2 MC
3 JCA
4 PRov
5 WWS
6 MS
7 SHG
8 Lena Winslow

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Will cost them. MC or JCA will be #1