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Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

I like your overall philosophy here, except there's one issue I can't understand.....if the goal is to be the best you can be, do rules matter? Or is it simply justifiable to skirt rules, or have certain rules available only to a select few, in order to be "one's best?" Honestly, serious question. I don't want to come across as attacking, but you are moving the goal posts.
Again this is about adults egos. Kids can do amazing things as a team regardless of stars next to their name. I’ve seen plenty of 5stars bust in person at the next level.

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

Wilmington can’t get kids Lisle can get, but they seem to have no problem kicking their ass most years. Byron seems to have no issue taking Montini to the wire this season and straight up beat them last season. I’ll stick to my guns of adults needing to stay out of kids sports and stop giving them excuses to lose.
Is it adults staying out of kids sports when they attend all of their youth games and call them on the phone to beg them to attend their high school? 40 year old men calling 13 year old boys to beg them for their services.

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Multiplier takes care of the level. My question is about the Success Factor and whether or not it should be applied to Public’s who have had long sustained success like the teams mentioned above (and possibly more).
If teams would be willing to play at the level they are capable of playing, there wouldn’t be a need for success factor for either public or private.
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To me it’s a bigger issue in the smaller classes than in the larger ones.

Lena etc can’t pull from the talent pool and range that someone like althoff can. Thai ain’t about Bobby Brady everyone gets a trophy it’s about operating from the same principles and playing fields.

Wilmington can’t go get kids that Montini can get. Sycamore can’t get kids in their town like Nazareth or Joliet or Providence can.

Providence is probably a bad example as LW schools seem to keep their own in districts.
Wilmington can’t get kids Lisle can get, but they seem to have no problem kicking their ass most years. Byron seems to have no issue taking Montini to the wire this season and straight up beat them last season. I’ll stick to my guns of adults needing to stay out of kids sports and stop giving them excuses to lose.
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Changing goal posts again? I don’t get it, is it about winning trophy’s or being the best you can be. It seems these days we don’t strive to be the best we can be, but to have others tell us we are the best because we are working towards mediocrity. I’ve had my kids in public then private in Illinois and then public in PA. Tell the kids to work their ass off and be the best they can and get the adults egos out of the equation. If you want New Jersey and kids being recruited from 8 states separated, please don’t complain about how watered down public school ball is because every top tier athlete goes private to make sure they get their college recruitment handled by competent coaches(note I’m not saying all coaches in public schools are incompetent, but if you separate all the recruiting and pay rules go out the window)
I like your overall philosophy here, except there's one issue I can't understand.....if the goal is to be the best you can be, do rules matter? Or is it simply justifiable to skirt rules, or have certain rules available only to a select few, in order to be "one's best?" Honestly, serious question. I don't want to come across as attacking, but you are moving the goal posts.

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

Changing goal posts again? I don’t get it, is it about winning trophy’s or being the best you can be. It seems these days we don’t strive to be the best we can be, but to have others tell us we are the best because we are working towards mediocrity. I’ve had my kids in public then private in Illinois and then public in PA. Tell the kids to work their ass off and be the best they can and get the adults egos out of the equation. If you want New Jersey and kids being recruited from 8 states separated, please don’t complain about how watered down public school ball is because every top tier athlete goes private to make sure they get their college recruitment handled by competent coaches(note I’m not saying all coaches in public schools are incompetent, but if you separate all the recruiting and pay rules go out the window)
To me it’s a bigger issue in the smaller classes than in the larger ones.

Lena etc can’t pull from the talent pool and range that someone like althoff can. Thai ain’t about Bobby Brady everyone gets a trophy it’s about operating from the same principles and playing fields.

Wilmington can’t go get kids that Montini can get. Sycamore can’t get kids in their town like Nazareth or Joliet or Providence can.

Providence is probably a bad example as LW schools seem to keep their own in districts.
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The old private/public debate! jeez. still. EASY FIX.

And then it went from I think a 5 year cycle with I believe 1 playoff win to a 2 year 3 win cycle. I don't believe any of the bottom 4 class winners would have been in their class under the old waiver system.

Why that was changed... I don't know. Best speculation I have seen it was changed to align with 2 year cycle of the I'll fated district proposal (same as for why SF changed to 2 year cycle).

Of course, complaints of fairness existed in the old waiver system too...
DePaul and Chi Christian would have qualified. Christian only has a couple of past playoff wins. Going back six years, DePaul doesn’t have any. Last year may have been the first year they made it a lost in round one. They just grew in size over the last three years

Oh well, pencil in SHG vs Byron for the next two years in 3A

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

It’s kind of a misleading stat as the bulk of private schools do not normally compete at 8A. Private schools have won 5 8A titles and only Mt Carmel and Loyola have won them - Marist and Rice are the only other schools to play in 8A title games and both lost to private school teams.
Changing goal posts again? I don’t get it, is it about winning trophy’s or being the best you can be. It seems these days we don’t strive to be the best we can be, but to have others tell us we are the best because we are working towards mediocrity. I’ve had my kids in public then private in Illinois and then public in PA. Tell the kids to work their ass off and be the best they can and get the adults egos out of the equation. If you want New Jersey and kids being recruited from 8 states separated, please don’t complain about how watered down public school ball is because every top tier athlete goes private to make sure they get their college recruitment handled by competent coaches(note I’m not saying all coaches in public schools are incompetent, but if you separate all the recruiting and pay rules go out the window)

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

Geneva, York and Batavia made it to the championship game, so yeah they came close! NC got knocked out by York in the semis, not a private, NC knocked out Lyons in the quarterfinals. And obviously LWE came extremely close to knocking off LA in the semifinals. I can't wrap my head around how you think SOS is not a factor. It clearly is.
You're misunderstanding me. I am not suggesting that playing a tough regular season schedule is not advantageous. I'm merely pointing out the fact that in the end, talent wins. And amassing talent is only available to private schools who are allowed a larger area to recruit. How can you not wrap your head around that?
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Geneva, York and Batavia made it to the championship game, so yeah they came close! NC got knocked out by York in the semis, not a private, NC knocked out Lyons in the quarterfinals. And obviously LWE came extremely close to knocking off LA in the semifinals. I can't wrap my head around how you think SOS is not a factor. It clearly is.
SOS is a huge factor. Where the problem occurs is when you’re tied to a conference that is 50/50 at best with half good and half bad teams.

I’ll use the NSC as an example.

Libertyville Stevenson Lz Warren and LF are perennial playoff teams. Mundelein Zion and Waukegan aren’t competitive.

The issue is you lose your edge playing non competitive teams. In the CCL that’s rare that teams run into that. It’s a significant advantage but one that’s really not with a path to change unless we get into the districts discussion which makes me ill.
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Speaking about the publics, there are more publics that have competed and won 8A
It’s kind of a misleading stat as the bulk of private schools do not normally compete at 8A. Private schools have won 5 8A titles and only Mt Carmel and Loyola have won them - Marist and Rice are the only other schools to play in 8A title games and both lost to private school teams.

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

So was it poor coaching at Maroa and Byron and Lena and Wilmington?

Now keep in mind these are historically solid programs with multiple state title appearances yet somehow they were poorly coached or improperly prepared?

Take a look at the roster of Althoff. 8 kids who currently reside in St. Louis. You think Lena should go to Rockford and get a lineman or running back? Is that your solution?

Should York be able to go to Naperville and get a tackle, or Maroa go to Champaign to get a wide receiver?

If you’re ok with it then it’s zero boundaries for all and let the bidding process begin.
Moroa was horribly coached Friday.

Somebody’s big mad in Antioch…and it’s only Friday

If you can read what I said was the cop was a friend of the dad having a kid on the West Lawn team. I was 12. This was back in 83
Oh, my fault. I should learn how to read this very clear sentence: "One of the friends(who was a police officer) of the West Lawn dad who had son playing said what is that kid for Jackie Robinson doing playing in a 12 tournament?" Anywho, still weird he was carrying around and openly sharing the mugshot of a minor. Carry on!

You Need Oil to Make Shoes (USA Today report ESPN's Unsportsmanlike too)

The USA Today picked up the Althoff title game story.

This article said Lena won 1A last year 30-8. Nitpicking I guess, but … 🤷‍♂️

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

With all this talk going on, I got a chuckle yesterday during the Illini game when Jordan Anderson got his 1st carry of the year. Announcer says, "Jordan Anderson, from Naperville", and I was like, "Nah, he went to Joliet Catholic".... then, of course, I look it up and his hometown is Naperville. Hey, I'm all for parents doing whatever is best for their kids, but as someone said above, there is a reason FBS & FCS are different... they play by different rules.
Can you imagine Alabama getting on a chat board like this telling Mercer to get a tougher schedule?
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Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

So was it poor coaching at Maroa and Byron and Lena and Wilmington?

Now keep in mind these are historically solid programs with multiple state title appearances yet somehow they were poorly coached or improperly prepared?

Take a look at the roster of Althoff. 8 kids who currently reside in St. Louis. You think Lena should go to Rockford and get a lineman or running back? Is that your solution?

Should York be able to go to Naperville and get a tackle, or Maroa go to Champaign to get a wide receiver?

If you’re ok with it then it’s zero boundaries for all and let the bidding process begin.
With all this talk going on, I got a chuckle yesterday during the Illini game when Jordan Anderson got his 1st carry of the year. Announcer says, "Jordan Anderson, from Naperville", and I was like, "Nah, he went to Joliet Catholic".... then, of course, I look it up and his hometown is Naperville. Hey, I'm all for parents doing whatever is best for their kids, but as someone said above, there is a reason FBS & FCS are different... they play by different rules.

Q of the Week: So what's the fix?

Splitting the Public and Private schools is basically the Public schools waiving the white flag saying "We can't win" when they have won so many times. I don't think schools like LWE, Maine South, and for sure ESL want to win a State Title knowing they might not have beaten the best. I would put Batavia in that group but many of their supporters are very vocal that they think it's unfair that Private schools recruit, but they pick and choose when they want to complain about it. They blew out Br. Rice, a CCL Blue team last season and all was fine. They struggle with MC and that's when it becomes not fair.

Does LWE, Swagger or ESL or any other school want to win a State Title when they know they possibly didn't face the best in the State? Could we have beaten LA or MC this year? Yeah we won the Public School State but were we the best? If that's what you want then your playing for a Ring that you'll wear outside the house twice, a trophy that will sit in your schools trophy case that you will see at the reunion, and a State Hat and Hoody that you will wear until your go to College and realize that you look like an idiot walking around campus wearing a High School shirt (don't worry you can wear these again when your in your 40's with little push back).

The Private side State Championship will be a snooze fest. Do they break that up by size? "We are the Private League Level 2 State Champions!!! We are the best mid level private school College Team in IL!!!" You would have to because if you don't teams like Laurence, Montini, Providence and DePaul will never be able to hang with LA, MC, SR, BR, Marist, JCA and Naz on a yearly basis, St. Francis will have a hard time too. All that will be is a redue and rematch of the Conference play.

So no, absolutely not, I don't want to see a split. I'm happy MC is moving to 8A, I'd love to see them play LWE and Maine South who will have the two top QBs in the State next year, while MC and LA reload at that position. It will be an awesome game. As Edgy suggested, start with seeding, FACTOR IN STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE, make sure that the #1 seed in the second largest conference isn't a school from the third tier of competitiveness in the CPS while the 2 two defending State Champion is seeded 19th. Baby steps....splitting the Private/Publics would be a monster step.
The Catholic high school supporters, such as "RamblinMan", have made it clear they are not interested in baby steps. I submitted a proposal that included a success factor applied to public schools for the first time and they found it totally unacceptable. It made no difference to them that there currently is no success factor at all for public schools. Their position was the success factor for public schools had to be identical to the one applied to private schools, or no success factor at all should be applied to both public and private schools, or the proposal would be unacceptable to them. So much for baby steps.

As far as not separating the two types of schools in the playoffs because you then cannot claim you beat the best in the state, the same can be said about having different class levels. If not for the fact East St. Louis defeated Loyola by a significant margin in the regular season, Catholic high school supporters this year would say there is no way a 6A champion can claim to be better than an 8A champion. Those types of disputes will always exist regardless of whether or not separate playoffs are implemented for private schools.

As far as waving the white flag, it is a matter of perspective. Some might say the private schools are waving the white flag by claiming Nazareth, St. Rita, Joliet Catholic and St. Francis cannot compete effectively in 8A. Afterall, St. Francis did beat 8A Loyola this year, so it can be done. I'm not saying all those schools should be 8A, I'm saying the white flag argument is a matter of perspective. I once had a boss who periodically would say, "Where you stand on an issue often depends on where you sit."
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