Regardless of how wrong you are, I do appreciate your willingness to keep waving the company flag.. good for you, loyalty is a good quality!!
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Regardless of how wrong you are, I do appreciate your willingness to keep waving the company flag.. good for you, loyalty is a good quality!!
I thought we had an agreement the other night? Since tuition is "no issue" I suggested that any school can take anyone that wants to attend said school. If the student resides outside the boundries of the district the student pays the cost of attendance based on the average cost to educate a student in the district. If the sending school is "failing" the "receiving" school gets the state funding and the student pays the difference or gets a refund. Books get opened to the sunshine law for "all" schools, and the multiplier and success factor goes away. That makes everyone equal.
I directly answered the main topic.. nothing needs to be changed..
The multiplier was instituted to do that. Regardless, and I'll state it again - YOU DO NOT PUNISH SUCCESS!!! I have also stated that it is perfectly okay to tweak the multiplier and some may even reconsider tweaking the 30-mile radius to be needed. BUT TO PUNISH SUCCESS FOR ANYONE IS NOT RIGHT - AND TO DO IT FOR ONE GROUP AND NOT ANOTHER IS EVEN MORE BLATANT. If you can't understand that, then obviously nothing more to say.
The post where I explained your bracket had 3 of 32 teams that were private, who you never played, and all lost in round 1 or 2 and you had no reason to even care about privates.....
This one:
So I just went to the 4a bracket which Herscher competes in... and my question is why are you here talking about this at all??? Out of the 32 team bracket only 3 were private (Alleman, Althoff, Quincy-Notre Dame). You didn't play any of them... 2 lost in round 1 and the 3rd lost in 2nd round! You know what the success factor is going to get you next year? ICCP! So I would have stayed in my hole, quiet as a church mouse if I were you... you have no reason to have a beef about any privates effecting your football life that I can see. Old high school rival still pissing in your cheerios?
Fine... then increase the multiplier to 2.5 and get rid of the waiver rule.. then everyone is treated equally..
"Failing" as defined by ISBE. That will be an insignificant piece of the puzzle anyway since paying tuition is not a disadvantage. You do realize that vouchers are coming, right?
Well I did reply..
1. My thoughts on this go way beyond what team I follow, unlike the rest of you.
2. Good chance we will be 3A next year.
3. ICCP doesn't dominate 4A, they match up well with the top 8 in 4A this year..
I would have no problem allowing Kankakee kids to enroll at HHS, we will simply have the state of Illinois send us tax money from Kankakee #111.. and we can then decide what to charge for tuition..
Yeah, I'm going with you're still pissed about something from 30 years ago in high school......
I'd go for 2.0 not 2.5. Or keep it at 1.65 and then add .05 for every playoff game the last 2 years. Also Eliminate the Multiplier Waiver for teams that haven't won in 6 years.
I just want to say I told you so.
When the multiplier was instituted after years of whining, foaming at the mouth, and gnashing of teeth on the part of public schools and their apologists, I said at the time that this would not satisfy them. Of course, they said that it would. Several years after that, we have the success factor that is directed solely at non boundaried schools. Now, goofballs like Tigger are saying that they want larger multipliers...after a championship weekend that saw just one private school title.
Again, whining is the nature of the public school beast. They cannot help but whine. Even when they win, they whine.
Give me the NIPL!
When the multiplier was instituted after years of whining, foaming at the mouth, and gnashing of teeth on the part of public schools and their apologists, I said at the time that this would not satisfy them. Of course, they said that it would. Several years after that, we have the success factor that is directed solely at non boundaried schools. Now, goofballs like Tigger are saying that they want larger multipliers...after a championship weekend that saw just one private school title.
Again, whining is the nature of the public school beast. They cannot help but whine. Even when they win, they whine.
Give me the NIPL!
Nope, we need to treat everyone equal..
If they increase it, it will go to 2.5... IHSA sees that SHG, IC, PC, Montini and Naz can compete with their enrollment is multiplied by 2.5.. they have attempted to use the mid tier schools as the baseline and you guys whined, so at this point the top tier teams will be used as the baseline..
HHS, you don't get to decide on the tuition level it's simply defined by what you send to educated the average student. So in Herscher's case for 2016 $11,536 less $13,013 leaving a net $1,477 for the student to use for transportation. So in that case it's an advantage for everyone except the sending school. Remember it may not always work that way cause the kid you may really want is not in a failing district and he has to pony up the full $11k like going to a private now. But hey vouchers are going into place anyway so you might as well prepare now for the net gains or losses.
I never said I wanted larger multiplier, said if the SF goes away, the multiplier will and needs to be increased.. I have said several times the current system is pretty good..
HHS,
Did I miss the day that our country became socialist? Equal is a definable property that doesn't always mean equivalent.
Did I miss the day that our country became socialist? Equal is a definable property that doesn't always mean equivalent.
Wait a minute.. so in your fantasy world, the private schools can set their tuition rates, the public schools are told what its going to be ?
And lets not forget, with the added state mandates, the cost of tuition at private schools will increase..
Ramblin,
Once the voucher system is in place there will be no need for the IHSA, your dream for the NIPL can finally be realized and the publics will regret the day they continued to push their agenda. These guys should really talk to some coaches from New Jersey.
Once the voucher system is in place there will be no need for the IHSA, your dream for the NIPL can finally be realized and the publics will regret the day they continued to push their agenda. These guys should really talk to some coaches from New Jersey.
No they haven't seen that... ICCP has not competed with a 2.5 multiple yet, Naz with a 2.5 would be 7a and you won't see that until next year, Providence would be 8a..... The 2.0 would put them in places they have been (naz 6a, PC 7a, etc.).
HHS,
No one is telling the schools their tuition the number is what they reported to ISBE as what was spent on each student, Privates would be in the same boat...this isn't education for profit!
No one is telling the schools their tuition the number is what they reported to ISBE as what was spent on each student, Privates would be in the same boat...this isn't education for profit!
You guys are the ones saying we need to get rid of the SF... now you are saying we don't?? Which is it?
Then let the local schools decide, we can be like the privates and give scholarships based on special talents (picture coaches with stop watches, scales and footballs)...
HHS,
I'm saying let everyone have open boundries. If you're private you pay tuition and if you're out of district you pay tuition(by the way this is already in place in some districts in Illinois), and since you say tuition isn't a disadvantage everyone will be on equivalent ground, hence eliminating multiplier and SF simultaneously.
I'm saying let everyone have open boundries. If you're private you pay tuition and if you're out of district you pay tuition(by the way this is already in place in some districts in Illinois), and since you say tuition isn't a disadvantage everyone will be on equivalent ground, hence eliminating multiplier and SF simultaneously.
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HHS,
Let's cover this again, there are scholarships offered based on need and they don't cover the full cost of attendance. There are also a couple of academic scholarships that I am aware of, at Naz for example, that are based on having the highest two scores on the entrance exam and keeping your grades over a 3.8 which is not easy and said scholarship still doesn't cover the full cost.
If you want to offer scholarships that fine as well, but you will need to fund your charitable organization for the district and then use the third party organization as a clearinghouse which your applicants will have to pay the application fee to with no guarantee they will be awarded a dime...think high school FAFSA but not free. Once you have enough cash in reserve you can grant your scholarships...good luck because free money is hard to come by unless you're getting it from the state.
Let's cover this again, there are scholarships offered based on need and they don't cover the full cost of attendance. There are also a couple of academic scholarships that I am aware of, at Naz for example, that are based on having the highest two scores on the entrance exam and keeping your grades over a 3.8 which is not easy and said scholarship still doesn't cover the full cost.
If you want to offer scholarships that fine as well, but you will need to fund your charitable organization for the district and then use the third party organization as a clearinghouse which your applicants will have to pay the application fee to with no guarantee they will be awarded a dime...think high school FAFSA but not free. Once you have enough cash in reserve you can grant your scholarships...good luck because free money is hard to come by unless you're getting it from the state.
All..... Hahahaaaaaa, little troll it took you over a day to respond and that is what you come up with. Still hurting from yesterday after I exposed you for the liar you are. And of course you can't stop. Say those prayers, you will feel better about yourself. Have a nice day. Ratsy
And of course that's how its presented to the IHSA, we all know that's not how it always works...
Didn't take me a day, I just went over to ihss and saw them laughing at you for the jackass you are.. the guys that I know that know you, tell me what a tool you are in person too...
It actually is ended... the private schools are not dominating like they used to, now that things are more equal they are winning a % of the state titles that the numbers say they should.. the advantage has been taken away and you guys aren't happy..
Luckily, the powers to be in Bloomington are neutral and able to make quality decisions.
HHS,
Ok we will let the publics go a step beyond the privates in the typical Catholic way of turning the other cheek, and allow the publics to scholarship in any way they want. The only guideline is the publics can't operate in the red. I am so confident that you will not be able to convince the parents to pay tuition that i'm not worried. With what you're proposing the school cannot keep the doors open without a scholarship fund, which would fall under charitable organizations and hence also be required to file federal form 990's.
Ok we will let the publics go a step beyond the privates in the typical Catholic way of turning the other cheek, and allow the publics to scholarship in any way they want. The only guideline is the publics can't operate in the red. I am so confident that you will not be able to convince the parents to pay tuition that i'm not worried. With what you're proposing the school cannot keep the doors open without a scholarship fund, which would fall under charitable organizations and hence also be required to file federal form 990's.
Why not??? Have had about 50 launched at me, thought might as well send some back...
You miss Otto?
And I am sure so many private schools would shut the doors if forced to follow state mandates that I am not worried..
HHS,
You're citing a one year snapshot, No conclusion can be drawn. We are complaining because the IHSA is discriminating against a selected class.
You're citing a one year snapshot, No conclusion can be drawn. We are complaining because the IHSA is discriminating against a selected class.
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