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I don't know if I would call it the toughest when the top 4 will make it every year and there is a sizeable gap to the next four.
Taft had only about 150 people in the stands for the Prep Bowl!
Think about team #4 clocks teams #6, 7, 8. Team #4 gets clocked by Montini. What do teams 6,7,8, do when they have to play Montini?
My worst case scenario is that as a group multiple teams from the CPL decide not to get clocked and decide to forfeit their games with a Montini.
I think we will have a number of CCL/ESCC teams petition up.
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Oh, I meant the one with The Brook. I should have made it a whole new paragraph, but for one sentence I didn't want to.
I am saying that the rule in itself was built for the playoffs as it stands today. Now the Districts give the conference more reason to implement the restrictions because it will eliminate them playing in the regular season which was more important than the playoffs. If IHSA is not stepping in now, they will not step in later.
Montini could play up and instead of Foreman, Amundsen, Elmwood Pk and Ridgwood in their 5A district, they'd could easily be in a 6A district with Senn, Mather, Lake View and Von Steuben. If they petitioned up two classes, they could be in a district with Willowbrook, the Wheaton schools, Benet, Batavia, etc.
Would Montini want to be in a district playing 7A suburban schools that are located in its feeder zipcodes?
Dundee crown Is 7A!enrollment dropping last three yrs and can’t compete with those schools.Will not win a game.Flip them with Jacobs
Clearly, for Kankakee the drop of the privates' multiplier is a huge factor...I'd also be interested in how many small schools are going 8 man, as it should move up the 1A enrollment number...
Now, the issue which will arise from this will be the everlasting bumping private program. What do I mean by this? I'll use my favorite area private school, Kankakee McNamara. Mac won the 2015 3A title, then missed the playoffs two straight years. They then go to the 2018 4A title game. They only had 10 juniors on last years roster - sure, the QB Hiller returns, but just about everyone else with significant rushing or receiving yards graduates. So for 2019, I can see Mac either missing the playoffs or being a 1st round out. 2020, my crystal ball doesn't work that far out, but they would have to make the semis to get 3 wins in two years...So the first year of district play in 2021, I predict Mac will be in 2A (unless they choose to petition up). I suspect that the Irish have to be a favorite to win the 2A title in 2021 simply because they are in 2A. So, they get their 4 or 5 playoff wins, and have two down years for whatever reason. 2024, they again lose the multiplier, and I suspect that they are again the favorites to win 2A simply because they are in 2A. The pattern will likely continue...
That was before my time rooting for Montini. Marmion, Fenwick, St. Rita, DeLasalle, BR, MC and Loyola have been the rivalries I was talking about. Not long time rivalries but rivalries none the less among CCL teams who you knew were going to give you their best game on the field. With the merger of CCL and ESCC I was looking forward to going to those type of games rather than viewing the slaughters of CPL schools in football games wherein I ultimately felt sorry for their players. Never left that type of game feeling really hyped up about the game or how Montini would fare in the playoffs.
I'd rather see them petition up to 7a as 6a is very similar to 5a in the quality of teams they would have to play.
Actually, the teams in 7a arethe type of games i would definitely go to instead the patsies in 5a and 6a. Don't know what school administrators at any of these schools would feel like as to the feeder schools question. Just interested in seeing the best brand of high school football played.
I was thinking a very similar picture with some private schools bumping up and down like yoyos. Thanks for actually plotting out an example for us.
I think several privates will be unhappy with districts but I envision some publics getting so mad they quit or threaten to.
WAY Low, I will take the Over. My guess is 35% of all district games ending in a running clock.
That is a rude comment.You know damn well Curie will see the CPS Prep Bowl playoffs!! Lol lol
What is the difference between most of CPL schools getting clocked by MC,SR, Montini etc. and those schools getting clocked by Phillips, Simeon, Curie and in past years by Morgan Park or Hubbard.
I find the forcefulness of your argument, as well as being reminded of the 8-7 victory over Deerfield each time I see your handle, very compelling if not completely convincing.
Or you could leave the privates in their own conference divisions. But that defeats the whole purpose of this. How many CPL schools already play in non-IHSA qualifying Divisions?
This debate should have taken place before the vote had been taken place. The administrator’s who voted on this should have read all of the pros and cons of this before voting. In fact the group that proposed this should have work out all of these kinks before it was voted on with a comprehensive guide how it would work. Does anyone think this would have passed if football people did the voting?
Why do you think they wanted people to vote on this without all of these questions being answered before hand? How many people would have voted no if the proposed divisions were published before the vote?
The CCL will still have to schedule most freshman and sophomore games. So will most of the better teams around the state. And whoever proposed week 1 & 2 do not count for the playoffs is a complete moron.
Playoff point system was not perfect. But with 1-32 seeding most the better teams advanced . With this system the two best teams could met in the first round. Unbalanced divisions could lead to multiple game in the finals that are not competitive. MS-LWE in round one? LA-BR?
I think Bloomington will screw this up beyond repair but reforming conferences may be impossible.
The CCL will still have to schedule most freshman and sophomore games. So will most of the better teams around the state. And whoever proposed week 1 & 2 do not count for the playoffs is a complete moron.
Playoff point system was not perfect. But with 1-32 seeding most the better teams advanced . With this system the two best teams could met in the first round. Unbalanced divisions could lead to multiple game in the finals that are not competitive. MS-LWE in round one? LA-BR?
I think Bloomington will screw this up beyond repair but reforming conferences may be impossible.
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Do you really want football people running your schools? It’s not great but football is only a very small portion of the school and administrators don’t want to spend time dealing with the constant conference shuffle on top of their existing work load, districts is the easiest way for most to remedy this problem.
How many games currently end in running clocks? It certain conferences there are a fair amout, probably north of 25% already.
Here's a thought: we should have an "unsuccess factor" - get running clocked n many times over two seasons and get relegated a class.
It's almost as if they said "we have to pass it to find out what's in it".
Nevermind that you'll be zig-zagging all around to get those frosh, soph and JV games - all the while you have the new playing restrictions in place . . .
I could not have designed a better system to kill the sport better than what they have proposed.
Before we can complain about future running clock %, we should know what it is under current system.
Hoopeston hasn't been to the playoffs since 1993, but with their coops they are a 4A school in a 1A / 2A conference...its going to get ugly fast if they keep the coops...
Soucie proposes a 4A district of all CPS schools, which means guaranteeing 4 CPS schools slots into the playoffs. There are 12 CPS 4A schools in this version. His first concept had 16 4A CPS teams, potentially 2 full districts...A full district of CPS probably results in 3 1st round playoff losses by blowout...Being fair to the CPS is going to be hard to swallow for some 4A schools in tougher districts..
Or 3A, where converting Westmont from 2 playoff appearances in history to a playoff regular by placing Lisle & Westmont in a district with 5 or more CPS schools.
Wait so CPS teams will get blown out in the playoffs? How is that different from now?
After reading many more post,it is crazy how many people voted yes for something they have no idea what can happen to There school in this system.Im blown away!!!
It's not; but it is not an improvement over the current system either. The new system will make scheduling easier for a small number of schools, but will increase the amount of regular season travel and will create somewhat more imbalance within districts than what exists currently in most conferences. Ultimately I think the proposal passed because of conference instability. Many administrators were probably tired of having to bring conference realignment issues to their school boards every two or three years, with all the background work that involves.
There are some other states that use districts and they seem to be satisfied, so I suppose it can work. Nevertheless, it seems as if the new method of scheduling will create more regular season games that are not competitive; and in doing so may, over the course of several years, cause some schools to drop football and may also cause fan attendance to fall.
Why do IHSA get blamed for everything? An administrator at a specific school brought the idea to the table. This information was published so those that read it, know which school. It was then move to the panel that would vote and determine if it should be on the ballot for ALL MEMBER schools to vote. Not sure why they keep getting blamed.
As far as the Districts goes, people are putting out educated guess based on the information that has been shared thus far. Nothing is final in terms of the actual Districts.
I am not blaming them for the idea.
But when it is all said and done, there will be plenty of fingers pointing at them.
Understood. I would assume a committee would be formed but we will see. They have two years to get it together.
Keep in mind that these groupings are one man's opinion. Admittedly a well-informed man, but, at the end of the day, one man.
You know what they say about opinions- everybody has one.
Take a look at 7A districts 4 and 5. Soucie has them pretty much split north-south, but it would make just as much sense and would probably shorten travel distance to split them east-west.
West could be Batavia, Geneva, StCN, Larkin, Streamwood, WeGo, and either the two Wheatons or Schaumburg and Hoffman.
East would then be Benet, DGN, Addison Trail, Willowbrook, Elk Grove, Rolling Meadows and the two schools that didn't go west.
You could play with what Soucie has offered and come up with more permutations than anybody would like to deal with.
This is far from over.
You know what they say about opinions- everybody has one.
Take a look at 7A districts 4 and 5. Soucie has them pretty much split north-south, but it would make just as much sense and would probably shorten travel distance to split them east-west.
West could be Batavia, Geneva, StCN, Larkin, Streamwood, WeGo, and either the two Wheatons or Schaumburg and Hoffman.
East would then be Benet, DGN, Addison Trail, Willowbrook, Elk Grove, Rolling Meadows and the two schools that didn't go west.
You could play with what Soucie has offered and come up with more permutations than anybody would like to deal with.
This is far from over.
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