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View it on a desk top and you can get a preview view.... If what he says is true I like the districts and will change my vote in the poll.
He has Naz and MC together.
He had Naz in with us, then changed Naz to MC’s district and put in DGN.
Pretty tough district we have there CB.
He had Naz in with us, then changed Naz to MC’s district and put in DGN.
Pretty tough district we have there CB.
Ugh gross. Change it back Soucie, change it back!He had Naz in with us, then changed Naz to MC’s district and put in DGN.
Pretty tough district we have there CB.
Curie, Stagg, Bloom and Sandburg will never see the playoffs!Holy crap,check this District out
District 7 (8):Chicago (Brother Rice), Chicago (Curie), Chicago (Marist), Chicago Heights (Bloom), Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East), Homewood-Flossmoor, Orland Park (Sandburg), Palos Hills (Stagg).
Not sure about copyright rules. Edgy may take this down. Linked and copied (8A to 5A). And the Iowa socialist is not going to like any district projections, since he contends it changes significantly in each 2-year cycle.
https://www.theherald-news.com/lists/2019/01/02/1d46d92aee1143f8a6d4462109621675/index.xml?page=1
CLASS 8A (64 teams, 8 Districts)
District 1 (8 Teams): Barrington, Carpentersville (Dundee-Crown), Gurnee (Warren), Huntley, Lincolnshire (Stevenson), McHenry, Waukegan, Zion-Benton.
District 2 (8): Evanston, Glenview (Glenbrook South), Niles (Notre Dame), Palatine, Park Ridge (Maine South), Skokie (Niles West), Wilmette (Loyola), Winnetka (New Trier).
District 3 (8): Bartlett, Carol Stream (Glenbard North), Elgin, Hoffman Estates (Conant), Palatine (Fremd), Roselle (Lake Park), St. Charles (East), South Elgin.
District 4 (8): Aurora (Metea Valley), Aurora (West), Downers Grove (South), Elmhurst (York), Glen Ellyn (Glenbard West), Lombard (Glenbard East), Naperville (Central), Naperville (North).
District 5 (8): Berwyn-Cicero (Morton), Chicago (Taft), Chicago (Lane), Franklin Park (Leyden), Hinsdale (Central), Hillside (Proviso West), LaGrange (Lyons), Oak Park (River Forest).
District 6 (8): Aurora (East), Aurora (Waubonsie Valley), Bolingbrook, Naperville (Neuqua Valley), Oswego, Oswego (East), Plainfield (East), Plainfield (North).
District 7 (8): Chicago (Brother Rice), Chicago (Curie), Chicago (Marist), Chicago Heights (Bloom), Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East), Homewood-Flossmoor, Orland Park (Sandburg), Palos Hills (Stagg).
District 8 (8): Belleville (East), Edwardsville, Joliet (Central), Joliet (West), Lockport, Minooka, O’Fallon, Plainfield (South).
Smallest schools in the Classification (closest to being in 7A): Proviso West, McHenry, Glenbard North, Plainfield East, Glenbard East.
Mapping issues: The three St. Louis-area teams need five other partners to make up a district of eight teams. The teams closest, although it seems almost comical to use the word closest, seem to largely come from the Joliet area with Minooka as the strongest possibility to draw the short straw. Schools like Huntley could be placed in a different district because of its general proximity to multiple districts. Splitting the two Palatine schools seems counterintuitive until you start to count schools in a congested area. This is the class where the distinctions are harder to make because of the higher concentrations of teams in Chicagoland. I feel good about the groups I’ve created here as far as geographic proximity, but it is easy to see how the districts could be manipulated in different directions.
CLASS 7A (64 teams, 8 Districts)
District 1 (8 teams): Algonquin (Jacobs), DeKalb, Moline, Rockford (Auburn), Rockford (East), Rockton (Hononegah), Yorkville.
District 2 (8): Buffalo Grove, Fox Lake (Grant), Highland Park, Lake Zurich, Libertyville, Mundelein, Northbrook (Glenbrook North), Round Lake.
District 3 (8): Arlington Heights (Hersey), Chicago (Lincoln Park), Chicago (Schurz), Des Plaines (Maine West), Maywood (Proviso East), Mount Prospect, Park Ridge (Maine East), Skokie (Niles North).
District 4 (8): Addison (Trail), Elgin (Larkin), Elk Grove Village, Hoffman Estates, Rolling Meadows, St. Charles (North), Schaumburg, Streamwood.
District 5 (8): Batavia, Downers Grove North, Geneva, Lisle (Benet), Villa Park (Willowbrook), West Chicago, Wheaton (North), Wheaton (Warrenville South).
District 6 (8): Blue Island (Eisenhower), Burbank (Reavis), Chicago (Hubbard), Chicago (Mount Carmel), Harvey (Thornton), LaGrange Park (Nazareth), Oak Lawn (Community), Summit (Argo).
District 7 (8): Bradley-Bourbonnais, Lansing (T.F. South), New Lenox (Lincoln-Way Central), New Lenox (Lincoln-Way West), Plainfield (Central), Romeoville, South Holland (Thornwood), Tinley Park (Andrew).
District 8 (8): Alton, Belleville (West), Collinsville, East St. Louis, Granite City, Normal (Community), Pekin, Quincy.
Largest schools in the classification (closest to being in 8A): Downers Grove North, Benet, Prospect, Lincoln-Way Central, Jacobs.
Smallest schools in the classification (closest to being in 6A): Thornwood, Yorkville, Hubbard, Schurz, Oak Lawn Community.
Mapping issues: There are several. Moline is a real issue as they aren’t particularly close to any of the potential districts and anywhere they land increases the mileage for the other seven school in whatever district they are placed in. Yorkville is another team that isn’t easily placed. They reside relatively close to nearly all the districts but are far enough away where it is logical to see them in any one of about five districts when you really dig in.
CLASS 6A (64 teams, 8 Districts)
District 1 (8 teams): Antioch, Grayslake (Central), Grayslake (North), Lake Forest, Lake Villa (Lakes), Mundelein (Carmel), Vernon Hills, Wauconda.
District 2 (8): Belvidere, Belvidere (North), Cary-Grove, Crystal Lake (Central), Crystal Lake (Prairie Ridge), Crystal Lake (South), Rockford (Guliford), Rockford (Jefferson).
District 3 (8): Bensenville (Fenton), Chicago (Lake View), Chicago (Mather), Chicago (Senn), Chicago (Von Steuben), Deerfield, Hampshire, Wheeling.
District 4 (8): Chicago (Phillips), Chicago (Phoenix), Chicago (St. Ignatius), Chicago (St. Patrick), Chicago (Steinmetz), Maple Park (Kaneland), Riverside-Brookfield, Sycamore.
District 5 (8): Chicago (Kenwood), Chicago (Morgan Park), Chicago (Perspectives Leadership), Chicago (Simeon), Chicago (Washington), Darien (Hinsdale South), Lemont, Oak Lawn (Richards).
District 6 (8): Calumet City (T.F. North), Crete-Monee, Kankakee, Midlothian (Bremen), New Lenox (Providence), Oak Forest, Ottawa, Palos Heights (Shepard).
District 7 (8): Dunlap, East Moline (United), Galesburg, Normal (Community West), Peoria, Peoria (Richwoods), Rock Island, Washington.
District 8 (8): Bloomington, Champaign (Centennial), Champaign (Central), Chatham (Glenwood), Danville, Springfield, Springfield (Lanphier), Springfield (Southeast).
Largest schools in the classification (closest to being in 7A): Shepard, Rockford Guilford, Von Steuben, Wheeling, Cary-Grove.
Smallest schools in the classification (closest to being in 5A): Kankakee, Springfield Southeast, Springfield Lanphier, Sycamore, Morgan Park.
Mapping issues: The breaks are reasonably clear, but some wrinkles could definitely come into play if the IHSA decides to do something different with outliers like Sycamore and Kaneland. Wauconda’s placement is also tricky. Although on paper it doesn’t look right to separate Bloomington and Normal Community West, the eighth school has to come from somewhere to round out the District 8 grouping.
CLASS 5A (65 teams, 8 Districts)
District 1 (8 teams): Arlington Heights (St. Viator), Burlington (Central), Freeport, Rochelle, Rockford (Boylan), Sterling, Woodstock, Woodstock (North).
District 2 (8): Aurora (Marmion), Chicago (Amundsen), Chicago (Foreman), Elmwood Park, Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South), Lombard (Montini), Norridge (Ridgewood), Oak Park (Fenwick).
District 3 (8): Burbank (St. Laurence), Chicago (Back of the Yards), Chicago (De La Salle), Chicago (Goode), Chicago (Lindblom), Chicago (Payton), Chicago (Solorio Academy), Chicago (Westinghouse).
District 4 (8): Chicago (Brooks), Chicago (Hyde Park), Chicago (St. Rita), Chicago (Vocational), Country Club Hills (Hillcrest), Dolton (Thornridge), Evergreen Park, Tinley Park.
District 5 (8): Chicago Heights (Marian Catholic), Joliet Catholic, LaSalle-Peru, Morris, Olympia Fields (Rich Central), Park Forest (Rich East), Richton Park (Rich South), Streator.
District 6 (8): Bartonville (Limestone), East Peoria, Geneseo, Mahomet-Seymour, Metamora, Morton, Peoria (Notre Dame), Urbana.
District 7 (8): Charleston, Decatur (Eisenhower), Decatur (MacArthur), Jacksonville, Jerseyville (Jersey), Lincoln, Mattoon, Springfield (Sacred Heart-Griffin).
District 8 (9): Cahokia, Carbondale, Centralia, Highland, Marion, Mascoutah, Mount Vernon, Troy (Triad), Waterloo.
Largest schools in the classification (closest to being in 6A): LaSalle-Peru, Amundsen, Thornridge, Fenwick, Freeport.
Smallest schools in the classification (closest to being in 4A): Peoria (Notre Dame), Hyde Park, Charleston, Foreman, Geneseo.
Mapping issues: Geneseo is tricky. And it might be a stretch to put it in District 6, but it is closer on the whole to the majority of the teams in that district, despite the fact that it is farther north than Streator, which was placed in District 5. Splitting teams between District 3 and District 4 is a fine line as well and those teams could easily be distributed in a different way.
District 2 (8): Aurora (Marmion), Chicago (Amundsen), Chicago (Foreman), Elmwood Park, Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South), Lombard (Montini), Norridge (Ridgewood), Oak Park (Fenwick).
After looking at this my initial thought was that Montini should not, in any way, shape or form, be playing 5 of those schools. I then looked at it from those schools perspective, those schools don't want anything to do with Montini.
If this is legit, there may be a second vote on districts because there has to be a better way.
Montini would play one of those 5 in the first or second round of the playoffs if they made it under the current format.District 2 (8): Aurora (Marmion), Chicago (Amundsen), Chicago (Foreman), Elmwood Park, Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South), Lombard (Montini), Norridge (Ridgewood), Oak Park (Fenwick).
After looking at this my initial thought was that Montini should not, in any way, shape or form, be playing 5 of those schools. I then looked at it from those schools perspective, those schools don't want anything to do with Montini.
If this is legit, there may be a second vote on districts because there has to be a better way.
I looked at some of the schools and went, wow, how did Kankakee end up in 6A? So I pull up Soucie's article and read how he pulled out the CPS non-playoff leagues, and removed the teams indicating that they are going 8 man, okay, but this still doesn't make much sense. Then I look at the IHSA site and the Dec. 13 2 year enrollments & classes...WHOA!!!
First thing that jumps out at me is that the 2A/3A cutoff for basketball jumps from 546 to 697!!!! Wrestling 1A jumps to 788 from 647!!! I'm intrigued on multiple levels...
Then I'm looking at particular schools and going, hmmm, why is that school's enrollment bigger than it has been in several years, and that school's smaller even though the enrollments have been stable? Interesting...
First glance, Soucie seems to be clumping 4A, which makes it more logical than running the width of the state. Far southern suburbs 4A district has Manteno, Herscher, Mac, Coal City, Pontiac, Metamora, Sandwich, Plano...might be tweakable, but more travel logical than the last try...
How did you know I was referring to you?What an honor to have such a pejorative applied by you pjjp. Glad to know I haunt your thoughts. But you are right (not about the socialist part very much a capitalist), there can be big changes every 2 years with the biggest and newest being huge swings in classification for the private’s if/when multipliers are added or removed. And we also do not know just how the mapping will be done by the IHSA and or how strictly they will adhere to it... might they take some liberties... we don’t know.
So under both systems they will likely have about an equal number of opponents who you don’t think are of their caliber.
What do you think, Montini has no relationship with the following schools in the proposed district:
Chicago (Amundsen), Chicago (Foreman), Elmwood Park, Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South), Norridge (Ridgewood).
Glenbard South got to the playoffs last season for the first time since 2011 and went out in the first round, Amundsen got in the playoffs for the first time in decades last season and got beat by St. Francis 49-7, Foreman has won 10 games in the last 5 years, Elmwood Pk went to the playoffs and beat Back of the Yards 41-18 and then lost to Evergreen Park 52-14, Ridgewood didn't make the playoffs last season.
As far as the Catholic League Montini schedule, it leaves a lot to be desired but at least Montini has some relationship with those schools.
When its all said and done this proposal is a mess.
If we are being honest there isn’t a 5A district that would be able to offer Montini more then 1 or possibly 2 competitive games. They don’t fit on 5A but they could always petition up otherwise they will have to wait until the quarter finals for an interesting game.
Glenbard South got to the playoffs last season for the first time since 2011 and went out in the first round
A drop to 5A and with that schedule would not bode well for the future of Rita footballThat schedule could cause an uproar in the St Rita community. There is not 1 team that an alum would get excited to go watch a game against.
District 2 (8): Aurora (Marmion), Chicago (Amundsen), Chicago (Foreman), Elmwood Park, Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South), Lombard (Montini), Norridge (Ridgewood), Oak Park (Fenwick).
After looking at this my initial thought was that Montini should not, in any way, shape or form, be playing 5 of those schools. I then looked at it from those schools perspective, those schools don't want anything to do with Montini.
If this is legit, there may be a second vote on districts because there has to be a better way.
7A is wrong.....East St Louis will be 5A and will NOT be allowed to petition up FYI...
They can hold them up for other sports so...I wondered about that. But, if the conference doesn't offer football any longer, why would they care if ESL petitions to play up? Do conferences have a say in what conference members do in a sport that the conference doesn't offer a championship?
7A is wrong.....East St Louis will be 5A and will NOT be allowed to petition up FYI...
I wondered about that. But, if the conference doesn't offer football any longer, why would they care if ESL petitions to play up? Do conferences have a say in what conference members do in a sport that the conference doesn't offer a championship?
When you consider the fact that conferences have absolutely nothing to do with the playoffs I don't see anything changing.
But they certainly have a say or three in every other sport.....also I',m just telling you what I've been told by some VERY good sources regarding this issue....
Admittedly I haven't paid much attention to this proposal until today. I agree with you that Montini, if this proposal goes through, will have to make the decision as to petitioning up.
If the schedule projected by Soucie is close to accurate, not only will the fans not go to the games, the players will not want to play that type of schedule. It is entirely possible that the parents of the players might stay home.