The end of high school recruiting

[ClownBaby]

Not sure how this hasn’t been brought up already but the Pavia case clears the way for Juco athletes to sue the NCAA. When this case hits if it’s held up it would be truly stupid for any college to waste their time recruiting high school when they can go to a Juco and get a more ready player.

 

[AmbroseBlack]

To be fair, why would anyone take a chance on an 18-year-old kid when this guy just picked up two more years of eligibility?

 

[jha618]

Not sure how this hasn’t been brought up already but the Pavia case clears the way for Juco athletes to sue the NCAA. When this case hits if it’s held up it would be truly stupid for any college to waste their time recruiting high school when they can go to a Juco and get a more ready player.

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The opportunities for HS kids to play beyond HS are still there. They may just have a different route. Its not like they have decided to reduce the number of scholarships available.

Also, many Juco kids are there for reasons beyond their physical ability to play sports. Some end up there because they couldnt keep up in the classroom at a D1 school. Some end up there because they couldn't qualify out of HS.

 

[EdgyTim]

It's eye opening for sure but just in this state alone you have 1 Juco playing football for the entire state. The whole infrastructure is not in place etc. unless the college professional football system decides to invest in it.....

 

[brucealmighy]

Juco kids can still be a wildcard both on and off the field. COD seems to win some sort of national championship each year and I would take 10 kids from the combination of Mt Carmel, Loyola and LWE before anyone from COD. I have a hard time to believe that a summer and fall in south Glen Ellyn turns a kid that is not all conference in high school into an All American.

Also I would be worried about academics and social life based on what that Netflix show displayed. If a kid is struggling academically at a juco, they are going to have a hard time at a Big Ten school. If they are acting too wild in rural Mississippi or Kansas, their head is going to explode when they get to Iowa City, Madison or Oxford, MS.

 

[DomerFan88]

I think the thing you aren't taking into account is that good players won't want to spend two years at a JuCo with subpar facilities and coaching and little to no social life just for the chance to have two more years of eligibility which they don't care much about because they are trying to get to the league as soon as possible.

I think more likely is that there is a shuffling of some players. Maybe a few more JuCo players sign with good programs, pushing the high schoolers to lesser schools, which pushes some of the players that would normally end up there to JuCo.

 

[MMA_Det]

Wow… this rule might create a huge culture change

The high school to college exchange is about to be turned inside out

 

[PowerI66]

Schools are, most likely, about to have a salary cap. So that will change things as well

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Schools are, most likely, about to have a salary cap. So that will change things as well

Been listening to Saben a lot and he is right on with needing some type of Commissioner at least.
I am all about these kids getting their money, I just think there needs to be way more oversight/rules/etc.
You should not be able to enter the portal until after playoffs.

 

[Hernandez03]

I would like to reopen my recruiting as i have 2 years of eligibility remaining 28 years young once scored 4 tds in a single game (possibly on Polk High) Will agree to lower busch light consumption unless not given enough NIL

 

[PowerI66]

Been listening to Saben a lot and he is right on with needing some type of Commissioner at least.
I am all about these kids getting their money, I just think there needs to be way more oversight/rules/etc.
You should not be able to enter the portal until after playoffs.

Charlie Baker talked about this yesterday on Pat McAfee. Said the issue is with how it impacts non-athletes. So they are trying to figure out how to adjust it.

 

[lurker74]

You should not be able to enter the portal until after playoffs.

Unless we are just going to go "all-in" with the idea that the 'student' part of 'student-athlete' doesn't matter, waiting until after the playoffs makes it really hard.

Champ game is Jan 19th. Classes at many schools start the 13th. Plus, it's not like the portal is a couple day process. It's been open for almost 2 weeks now, and players are still entering. If players couldn't enter until the 20th, spring semester (and more importantly for the football guys, spring practices) would be 1/2 over before some players had their new school sorted out.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Unless we are just going to go "all-in" with the idea that the 'student' part of 'student-athlete' doesn't matter, waiting until after the playoffs makes it really hard.

Champ game is Jan 19th. Classes at many schools start the 13th. Plus, it's not like the portal is a couple day process. It's been open for almost 2 weeks now, and players are still entering. If players couldn't enter until the 20th, spring semester (and more importantly for the football guys, spring practices) would be 1/2 over before some players had their new school sorted out.

I thought we have gotten to the point where the student part doesn't matter? I am half joking.
I understand your point and thought of that but it is just so ridiculous that kids can enter portal while season is still going on, granted it is mostly bowl game teams but still.

 

[mc140]

Unless we are just going to go "all-in" with the idea that the 'student' part of 'student-athlete' doesn't matter, waiting until after the playoffs makes it really hard.

Champ game is Jan 19th. Classes at many schools start the 13th. Plus, it's not like the portal is a couple day process. It's been open for almost 2 weeks now, and players are still entering. If players couldn't enter until the 20th, spring semester (and more importantly for the football guys, spring practices) would be 1/2 over before some players had their new school sorted out.

It doesnt matter. Most schools have online 8 week classes that can be taken at various points in the semester.

 

[McCaravan]

Netflix can finally get more seasons of Last Chance U

 

[crusader_of_90]

 

[jha618]

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Not sure if he's serious or just looking for clicks but you can't gray shirt after you have been in college for a year.

 

[olderbytheminute]

I thought we have gotten to the point where the student part doesn't matter? I am half joking.
I understand your point and thought of that but it is just so ridiculous that kids can enter portal while season is still going on, granted it is mostly bowl game teams but still.

I am not joking.
The student part is meaningless.
Players want to know how much they'll be paid in NIL money, how much they'll be paid by the school, and how much playing time they are guarenteed.
Michigan landed senior QB Brett Underwood with a $5 million commitment. He originally verbally committed to Georgia which is again a reminder that verbal commits are as valuable as a three-dollar bill.
These are 18-year-old professionals. They are not college students and amateurs.
Heisman Trophy winmer and current NFL Bengals QB Joe Burrow said often that he NEVER attended a class at LSU. He transferred there and took online classes in his apartment. NEVER attended class and that was before Covid happened.
Do you really think any top-end prep football player is transferring in this era because he wants to play with his best friend who he met at a summer Boy Scout camp 8 years earlier?
This is all about getting in better position to make more money.
Anyone on this board who had a job at some point did what he/she deemed necessary to get into position for life.
The difference now is that with high school football players, getting into better position starts as a 16-year-old. That's life.
College football is now a profession.
If you are good at your profession, you get promoted to the NFL. If you're not, well since your profession has a time restriction on it, you better make sure you make the most money possible while at it.
Hence, the transfer portal. It makes total sense for a professional football player at, let's say, Rutgers, to check the transfer portal to see if more money can be made somewhere else, and if that somewhere else can enhance chances of extending the player's career by getting him to the NFL or Canadien League or Indoor League or whatever.
It's ALL about money now.
And why wouldn't it be? You can work 10 years at a job and if a job that's offering more money opens up, you're going to check it out.
Thinking of a college football player as a student-athlete is just plain folly. At least the college football players who we watch in acion on Saturdays. And if you're the third-string tackle Saturday, you're in the portal checking out better opportunities elsewhere.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I am not joking.
The student part is meaningless.
Players want to know how much they'll be paid in NIL money, how much they'll be paid by the school, and how much playing time they are guarenteed.
Michigan landed senior QB Brett Underwood with a $5 million commitment. He originally verbally committed to Georgia which is again a reminder that verbal commits are as valuable as a three-dollar bill.
These are 18-year-old professionals. They are not college students and amateurs.
Heisman Trophy winmer and current NFL Bengals QB Joe Burrow said often that he NEVER attended a class at LSU. He transferred there and took online classes in his apartment. NEVER attended class and that was before Covid happened.
Do you really think any top-end prep football player is transferring in this era because he wants to play with his best friend who he met at a summer Boy Scout camp 8 years earlier?
This is all about getting in better position to make more money.
Anyone on this board who had a job at some point did what he/she deemed necessary to get into position for life.
The difference now is that with high school football players, getting into better position starts as a 16-year-old. That's life.
College football is now a profession.
If you are good at your profession, you get promoted to the NFL. If you're not, well since your profession has a time restriction on it, you better make sure you make the most money possible while at it.
Hence, the transfer portal. It makes total sense for a professional football player at, let's say, Rutgers, to check the transfer portal to see if more money can be made somewhere else, and if that somewhere else can enhance chances of extending the player's career by getting him to the NFL or Canadien League or Indoor League or whatever.
It's ALL about money now.
And why wouldn't it be? You can work 10 years at a job and if a job that's offering more money opens up, you're going to check it out.
Thinking of a college football player as a student-athlete is just plain folly. At least the college football players who we watch in acion on Saturdays. And if you're the third-string tackle Saturday, you're in the portal checking out better opportunities elsewhere.

I know....

 

[PowerI66]

Joe Burrow said often that he NEVER attended a class at LSU. He transferred there and took online classes in his apartment. NEVER attended class and that was before Covid happened.

Online classes are not a new thing. Athlete or not

 

[jha618]

I am not joking.
The student part is meaningless.
Players want to know how much they'll be paid in NIL money, how much they'll be paid by the school, and how much playing time they are guarenteed.
Michigan landed senior QB Brett Underwood with a $5 million commitment. He originally verbally committed to Georgia which is again a reminder that verbal commits are as valuable as a three-dollar bill.
These are 18-year-old professionals. They are not college students and amateurs.
Heisman Trophy winmer and current NFL Bengals QB Joe Burrow said often that he NEVER attended a class at LSU. He transferred there and took online classes in his apartment. NEVER attended class and that was before Covid happened.
Do you really think any top-end prep football player is transferring in this era because he wants to play with his best friend who he met at a summer Boy Scout camp 8 years earlier?
This is all about getting in better position to make more money.
Anyone on this board who had a job at some point did what he/she deemed necessary to get into position for life.
The difference now is that with high school football players, getting into better position starts as a 16-year-old. That's life.
College football is now a profession.
If you are good at your profession, you get promoted to the NFL. If you're not, well since your profession has a time restriction on it, you better make sure you make the most money possible while at it.
Hence, the transfer portal. It makes total sense for a professional football player at, let's say, Rutgers, to check the transfer portal to see if more money can be made somewhere else, and if that somewhere else can enhance chances of extending the player's career by getting him to the NFL or Canadien League or Indoor League or whatever.
It's ALL about money now.
And why wouldn't it be? You can work 10 years at a job and if a job that's offering more money opens up, you're going to check it out.
Thinking of a college football player as a student-athlete is just plain folly. At least the college football players who we watch in acion on Saturdays. And if you're the third-string tackle Saturday, you're in the portal checking out better opportunities elsewhere.

1. His name is Bryce Underwood.
2. He was committed to LSU, not Georgia.
3. The NIL deal was for $10m, not 5.
4. Online class for high profile athletes has been a thing since the Reggie Bush, Matt Leinhart days