Private Schools 7 - Public Schools 1. That’s a wrap!

[sac'em]

Arizona passed a voucher system, The people using it most already send tbeir kids to private schools.

And blowing up their state budget.
School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.

 

[scrapper329]

A separate private playoff would be awful. I believe that every CCL/ESCC team should have to play 6A and up. They have the resources and talent rich areas. I think that is more than reasonable. I can see an argument for Marmion, DLS, Leo to be lower.

You have some schools that are quite small and should be allowed to play under that 6a level. I do agree though majority should be at least 5a and up.

 

[jwarigaku]

So if private schools get public funding, they should be required to report the same information as public schools and are also held accountable to the same standards as public schools? Also, do their teachers need to be certified like public school teachers?

Guys, don’t shot the messenger, it’s all outcomes based. Honestly if my students are being enriched I could care less if the teacher is a card carrying union member or not. As for transparency, yes it is done and needs to continue to be done. Regarding special needs, I have mixed emotions about mainstreaming students, then again I think there should be several different tracks for kids based on ability rather than teaching to a minimum competency. I am also a strong supporter of the trades and the need for vocational training, noting that it should not be seen as a lesser role in society to be a tradesman in this country. Anyway now I’m just blathering.

 

[jwarigaku]

And blowing up their state budget.
School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.

Arguments exist on both sides but this one is backed by accounting numbers see below.
Differing views on AZ

 

[MsDavis10]

You have some schools that are quite small and should be allowed to play under that 6a level. I do agree though majority should be at least 5a and up.

Which ones?

 

[rfb321]

Which ones?

Well, the only one left is SHG in 3A because of the waiver rule. Wonder if they’ll petition up to 4A?

 

[LTHSALUM76]

I'm sure you can pick almost any of the large major city school districts and see low results. Why is that? Becasue they don't get to choose who enrolls in their school. They have to educate EVERYBODY. Even if that person and/or their family does not care about education. And how many of these students would a private school let in? Most states that have vouchers have seen 80%+ of recipients that were already enrolled in a private school. It does not open opportunities for all students. It allows for segregation and the destruction of our public school system.
People think that school choice is the choice of the parent or student, but, it is more the choice of the schools to pick which students they want to have enrolled. You have to APPLY for enrollment. You have to be CHOSEN for enrollment. You have to PAY THE DEPOSIT to hold your spot.
Special education needs = No thanks.
Low Income = No thanks.
Questions:
Why do the private schools not release test scores or other academic data?
Why do they not publish their school discipline?
Why do they not publish background information on their teachers?
Why do they not publish their financials?
Why wouldn't the private schools raise their tuition if everyone coming in has an extra $7500?

I will never trust organizations that want to hide everything they do with the money they get. Especially if the money is public tax money. Be transparent and accountable or STFU about vouchers.

I can see you're cherry-picking information. Before I start I do realize teaching is not an easy job and education does start at home. I get all of that. But, parents also have the right to know that when they drop their kid off at school or when the bus picks them up that school will be a learning experience and garbage won't be taught.

You say opportunities are not open to everyone. What would you rather have? A chance to be "chosen" as you say, or no opportunity at all? I am for getting an opportunity to choose a school instead of being locked into one.

One thing I do agree with you on is this. You make a good point when you ask "why wouldn't private schools raise tuition when they know everyone coming in will have an extra $7,500?" It is a good question that has already been answered by the colleges and universities whose tuition has gone through the roof because of no credit check "loans" and "everyone gets money to attend regardless of ability to pay loan amounts back." This is definitely a sticking point that would have to be explored. But I am sure there are answers for that.

When I look at your first four questions I wonder if you really think public schools are completely transparent. A report, any report, is only as good as it's accuracy. I point you to Lincoln-Way district 210 and superintendent Lawrence Wyllie. Do you think his "reports" were accurate? And he got away with it. Dismissed because of "health issues." In other words it doesn't mean he is innocent. What a scam!

 

[LTHSALUM76]

And blowing up their state budget.
School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.

Then cut something somewhere else.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

So if private schools get public funding, they should be required to report the same information as public schools and are also held accountable to the same standards as public schools? Also, do their teachers need to be certified like public school teachers?

Sure, report the same information. Same standards? What? Did I read that right? Certification does not make a good teacher. A piece of paper does not make a good teacher. If you want all this then private school teachers should also have "public funded" retirement plans as well.

 

[sac'em]

I can see you're cherry-picking information. Before I start I do realize teaching is not an easy job and education does start at home. I get all of that. But, parents also have the right to know that when they drop their kid off at school or when the bus picks them up that school will be a learning experience and garbage won't be taught.

You say opportunities are not open to everyone. What would you rather have? A chance to be "chosen" as you say, or no opportunity at all? I am for getting an opportunity to choose a school instead of being locked into one.

One thing I do agree with you on is this. You make a good point when you ask "why wouldn't private schools raise tuition when they know everyone coming in will have an extra $7,500?" It is a good question that has already been answered by the colleges and universities whose tuition has gone through the roof because of no credit check "loans" and "everyone gets money to attend regardless of ability to pay loan amounts back." This is definitely a sticking point that would have to be explored. But I am sure there are answers for that.

When I look at your first four questions I wonder if you really think public schools are completely transparent. A report, any report, is only as good as it's accuracy. I point you to Lincoln-Way district 210 and superintendent Lawrence Wyllie. Do you think his "reports" were accurate? And he got away with it. Dismissed because of "health issues." In other words it doesn't mean he is innocent. What a scam!

What "garbage" has been taught to your children that you have firsthand knowledge of? Sure there are bad apples out there, but there are in ever profession. Are we judging an entire educational system on the grievances of a few parents because they don't agree with some portion of the curriculum?
As much as I would want my child to be "chosen", what happens to the children who are not "chosen"? Where do they go? What school must take them?
Public schools must be transparent by law. You reference one of the most scandalous district administrations in recent history. Dr. Wylie was charged with crimes. The DA chose not to go after him because of his health. (Honestly, just another rich white dude who operates under a different judicial system than the rest of us.)
If we go to that extreme, then what of the Providence President who "supposedly" had R. Kelly behaviors? Messing with minors and they let him walk away? (Morally, I'd let someone walk from financial crimes then from child crimes). Was there transparency when the Brother Rice teacher was murdered by the prostitutes he ordered on backpage.com? Did they have meetings with parents of his students to assure them that they will not let people like this into their organization again? No, they tried to cover it up and stayed silent.
Don't look at private institutions and think they are somehow better than public schools. They just cater to the wealthy or athletic.

 

[sac'em]

Sure, report the same information. Same standards? What? Did I read that right? Certification does not make a good teacher. A piece of paper does not make a good teacher. If you want all this then private school teachers should also have "public funded" retirement plans as well.

You do know that TRS is self-funded, right? Only when the politicians stole money out of the fund and never repaid it, then it went under water.
I think you just have a really bad bone to pick with public schools and public school teachers. Its ok. Public school teachers are used to getting bashed for everything wrong in society.
No one said you have to be certified to be a good teacher. You have to be certified to be a qualified teacher. Do you want unqualified people teaching? Would that make you feel better?