Perhaps.
A possible Naz/ESL matchup in next year's 6A playoffs would be an excellent opportunity for you to sandbag. In fact, if ESL is anything close next year to what they were this year, I'm not sure I'd call it sandbagging. I don't see that potential matchup going well for your Roadrunners.
They aren't. They are supposed to be in 5a.
True we won’t have the 3 time champ QB and the Stanford Bound defensive nightmare. But I’ll take a Racki led staff in November any day
And Naz in 4a but yet both are being accused of not playing in their proper class because they cruise through the higher class already. The difference is Naz is forced to play above their means ESL chooses to. We can call that cowardly or heroic but at the end of the day both teams are playing up so the whole “you’re scared” argument is stupid. Naz is going to be forced to play 2 classes above their enrollment next year JCA closer to 3 classes above and yet they are scared because they didn’t do it voluntarily but ESL who is only playing 1 class above enrollment is the epitome of bravery for playing in a class one above their enrollment where they know they have an easy path coming out of the south every year in 6a. Why not stay down in 5a? That path was just as easy this year only a JCA team being forced to play up to worry about.
You need to direct your anger and frustrations elsewhere. 1, ESL didnt make the rules. ESL isnt forcing you to do anything. Email the IHSA if you are that bothered. 2, I haven't seen any of the ESL folks call Naz or JCA cowards. Thats a strawman. ESL has never played in 5a and they don't sit and cherry pick which class they play in based on who may fall where. You just sound like another angry poster who was chomping at the bit to take an unnecessary, unprovoked dig at ESL.
Here is your strawman. Looks as though they were just two more posters chomping at the bit to take an unnecessary, unprovoked dig at Naz
ESL and their fans totally wouldn’t call Naz cowards I whole heartedly agree 👌🏻😉
When I saw he was another poster questioning whether the SWC petitioning rule was legit I knew he wasnt a poster to take seriously.
Serious question here but what was the point and purpose of the conference rule ? It looks like it went into place after 2018 season. ESL only went to 1 championship game in the previous 10 seasons before that. Were they just mad they kept getting crushed in the regular season ?
Yes, they used a fight that broke out at a TRACK MEET as the catatalis to implement sanctions that they wanted in all sports against us. If you read between the lines the other schools reasons and feelings are clear.
The rule was put in place prior to 1-32 seeding. When it was a North and South, the first couple of rounds were basically conference games with either quincy or pekin thrown in the mix. When ESL was a removed from the playoffs, Belleville East made it to the Semis and lost to WWS (2010) which gave the conference the idea. When a new principal came in 2013, she wouldn't allow the football to petition for the next two year cycle which is why ESL was in 6A in 13' and 14'. During that time, Belleville West won a couple of playoff games and eventually lost to MC. Before the strike in 15' a new principal came and allowed the Coach to do whatever he wanted which was petition for 15' and 16'. After the title in 16' the petition was put in for 17' and 18' so that is when they started working on the bylaw. Basketball had fallen to 3A and the conference didn't want basketball to get any bright ideas so the rule was a put in place in 18' although ESL had too finish out the cycle. Belleville West Superintendent was the originator of the rule and submitted it for vote.
Yes it was in response to the post I shared about Naz not playing in the right class
Saying Naz had 1 independent year and asking if ESL can go independent are two totally different scenarios.
Which they are not and neither is ESL. ESL can easily play in 8A right now however it is not allowed. In no way going through the playoffs and giving up 14 points total is a sign of being were your are capable of playing. The cards are the cards however, no one from ESL is confused about level of play. That is the difference in how we view it versus some of the things you are saying. In no way would we want to play Highland, Triad and Mascoutah for a championship run. We believe in and welcome competition at every turn.
There are other sports besides football. The school need the conference so football will comply.
If we're looking at that game as a measuring stick. Let's remember it was 35-14 at half, and Unity being the outstanding coached team that it is, picked up a glitch in Althoff's Defensive Backfield, and took advantage. That was what game 4. It was fixed. I'm not picking a winner of Althoff -Montini, but people who are looking at that game as measuring stick might not be aware. I think it's a better game than some might think.
Let it go man, it seems that everyone on this message board understands why they're playing 6A but you at this point
Can we pin this to the top of the board for everyone?
I made a personal statement about Naz and you literally sh** the bed bringing ESL into it, as if anyone would ever believe or consider that Naz can be discussed in the same breath with ESL. ESL is the ONLY school that can write a book on the subject of petitioning up and seeking out competition, win or lose; we have RECEIPTS.
Actually, ESL would love to play in 7A or 8A but there conference will not allow them to go up any further, cause those conference teams do not want to lose to them in the playoffs.
I have to apologize the worst part about yesterday is that I actually really do respect ESL and was pulling for them all season on their crazy road show. Even though I didn’t like the outcome of the 2019 title I still remember hanging in the ESL side chatting with fans and watching them win. My colleague and I talk all the time about how ESL takes on literally anyone and everyone that’s awesome. I lost my cool and apparently mind when I thought people were coming at Naz for being 5a and I am man enough to admit my faults. ESL had a very impressive season and truth be told I hope they drop the rule and they can petition up because I don’t want to ever run into that beast down year loaded year….never haha
All good, man!! Things often get lost in translation. Being married for years has taught me that, lol!
For what it’s worth Massey has Montini over Althoff 38-20 although i think it’d be more like 28-21…and I don’t think either montini or althoff get whipped in 5A…montini beat Naz last year with half the talent they have this year.
After seeing Montini in person, I was extremely impressed, especially with their offense. They had big, physical line play and plus athletes all over the field. The QB that day was particularly accurate also. I’d still take them h2h over Althoff, but I think it would be a fun game to watch for sure. As for pound for pound, I got Althoff with 1A status. Whether people like it or not, they were a 1A team.
