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I'm only guessing, but I think there would be at least 3 classes in a Private only separation. Maybe 4.
Big School vs. Small School would be ideal. Whats the cut off? 8a - 5a & 4a -1a? Or if its 3 classes 8,7,6 / 5,4,3 / 2,1?
Whether Ramblinman dream happened or forced by IHSA. How many teams make the playoffs in each class and where is the cut line for big and small bracket?
There are ~60 private programs. Sort by record, top 48 qualify. Sort the 48 by size. Top 32 are in "P2" and bottom 16 in "P1"
3 max IMO, 2 would be ideal.
Yes. IHSA headed that way currently with other proposals out there so why not?If you are going to take 48, might as well have all 60 in the playoffs.
60 private football schools is correct. 30 or so other non-boundaried schools. More privates also play the other sports but might not play football.I think you underestimate how many small schools are out there. Definitely 3 classes.
No need to multiply or for the success factor if you're doing it this way because all the schools playing in this imaginary playoff system are non boundary (30 miles).
60 private football schools is correct. 30 or so other non-boundaried schools. More privates also play the other sports but might not play football.
I think you underestimate how many small schools are out there. Definitely 3 classes.
I agree. 3 classes of 20. MC140 posted like it was a bad thing.Do to the differences between the Walther Christian, guerin prep, Chicago christians of the state versus the st viator’s, ICCP, Bishop mac’s of the state, and the big boys of the state you would need 3 classes
No. 19 don’t.Does everyone get a trophy? I hear that complaint about IHSA on the board often but with 3 divisions 5% of teams win titles compared to the current 1.5%
I agree. Two makes sense with the numbers but there is a big problem in that there are 4 to 5 schools so much bigger than all others. JC, PC, Montini, Rita, IC etc would be ok to play them. But schools like Carmel, Laurence, viator, DLS, etc really don’t belong in the same class as Loyola or rice.I'm only guessing, but I think there would be at least 3 classes in a Private only separation. Maybe 4.
Does everyone get a trophy? I hear that complaint about IHSA on the board often but with 3 divisions 5% of teams win titles compared to the current 1.5%
I agree. Two makes sense with the numbers but there is a big problem in that there are 4 to 5 schools so much bigger than all others. JC, PC, Montini, Rita, IC etc would be ok to play them. But schools like Carmel, Laurence, viator, DLS, etc really don’t belong in the same class as Loyola or rice.
maybe 4 classes. 8, 12, or 16 teams per class. But then 1a winner plays 2a winner for small school champ. 3a vs 4a for large school champ.
The disparities between private’s in the state are much larger than between public’s. And you would still have 6 public divisions at a minimum? All public’s getting a trophy?
Actually if the public's use 6 classes only 1.3% win a title compared to 5% in the private division.
I agree. 3 classes of 20. MC140 posted like it was a bad thing.
Should be 30 in a class. Top 12 or 16 in playoffs. Whatever is done the fight to avoid being in the bigger class would be fun to watch.
Should be 30 in a class. Top 12 or 16 in playoffs. Whatever is done the fight to avoid being in the bigger class would be fun to watch.
I agree more with you than you think. My base point remains: if the IHSA (where gerrymandering, politicking, manipulation, fighting by member schools already exists) is to split into privates and publics, it makes no sense to stay.It would be private schools acting like the IHSA using arbitrary ways to split up schools.
I don’t disagree. But they will have to get creative somehow. Need 3 classes at a minimum and that still leaves a giant disparity at the top of they split enrollment into even thirds. Maybe an 8 or 12 team top class and bigger classes at the 2 smaller levels. It’s just going to be hard to get the schools with enrollments of 400 to 700 bumped up to play with the big boys so I don’t know the solution.Agree with the top part. But still chicago area forgets about how many small private’s there are are down state or in Rockford or west Illinois. They think about iccp as small. Well there is smaller and those areas don’t draw from a metro area so they are even smaller in practice.
Not gonna have class winners play each other because you then discredit the losers title in some way. Will Never happen.
I don’t disagree. But they will have to get creative somehow. Need 3 classes at a minimum and that still leaves a giant disparity at the top of they split enrollment into even thirds. Maybe an 8 or 12 team top class and bigger classes at the 2 smaller levels. It’s just going to be hard to get the schools with enrollments of 400 to 700 bumped up to play with the big boys so I don’t know the solution.
-school like SR, PC, Naz, MC, etc play in the large no matter what the enrollment because they want to not because they have too.
I think they would be in the large class anyways just due to enrollment
The proposal to split publics and privates reminds me of something my dad used to say: be careful what you ask for you might get it.
If private schools were to go and do their own thing, it would be a lot like education. We always do more with less. The ihsa may rue the day that they separated us.
I’ve been saying this for years but people refuse to listen. They think Catholic schools “cheat” now, just imagine...A full split would mean chaos. I've said this for years. If the catholics form their own league, its a wrap. They'll govern themselves. Recruiting, sponsorships... the publics will crumble. The only reason there are some rules now is because the publics are watching. Literally taking pictures of catholic school coaches at youth games lol. If the catholics govern themselves, and there is no rule against recruiting, then whats to stop a catholic school coach, from watching a public freshmen practice? "Hey we have an opening at running back next year. You're a good player. Come on over!" Be careful what you wish for.
So your defense is...."if you think were bad now just wait, we cant be trusted so keep an eye on us" You guys make me laugh with all of this crap! And you wonder why many of us cant wait for the split. Bring it on !!!I’ve been saying this for years but people refuse to listen. They think Catholic schools “cheat” now, just imagine...