East Side v Geneva 48-28 GAME & TITLE

[SEHSSTORM1]

If you need a few players just ask. I know there are a few 3rd and 4th string guys that would come in and be starters for a team like SE

You're right. There is more talent in the entire St. Louis area than in Bartlett, Il.

 

[Silver Rain]

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

 

[ODirty1]

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

Wow

 

[PowerI66]

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

MC as well? When they aren't forced to?

 

[jha618]

Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."

Idk if this is sarcasm or not. But I highly doubt ESL would ever voluntarily go independent. Its already difficult to schedule the 4 open dates they have now.

Also, there were plenty of embarrassing losses Friday without the help of ESL.

 

[Silver Rain]

MC as well? When they aren't forced to?

Here is the key argument for MC to remain in 7A: It keeps the doors open. Like most all-boy Catholic schools, MC's enrollment, and thus its finances, are in a precarious state. Its current student population is about 580. And the school isn't located in the most desirable neighborhood. When MC wins a championship, alumni open their wallets. They write checks and put the school into their wills. If MC were a fixture in 8A, we'd have about five championships, not 16, which translates into fewer donations.

A side-effect of winning is that MC is a legacy school. At least ten players on this year's roster are directly related to former players. Would Jordan Lynch have signed on as a coach at any othrer school? What about Frank Lenti? And the family connection to Mount Carmel isn't only through football. Many of us who never played have fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins who went there before us and influenced our decision to attend. An eighth grader can be dazzled by a row of trohpy cases.

 

[PowerI66]

Here is the key argument for MC to remain in 7A: It keeps the doors open. Like most all-boy Catholic schools, MC's enrollment, and thus its finances, are in a precarious state. Its current student population is about 580. And the school isn't located in the most desirable neighborhood. When MC wins a championship, alumni open their wallets. They write checks and put MC into their wills. If the school were a fixture in 8A, we'd have about five championships, not 16, which translates into fewer donations. And so remaining in 7A is basically a matter of survival.

Here's where I get a conflict of messaging. Posters, coaches, and players have all stated that going to MC is a brotherhood. I have a brother, I don't put stipulations on it.

There's more, but I'll leave it at that for now. I'm sure the marketing department will chime in shortly.

 

[80sRambler]

Here is the key argument for MC to remain in 7A: It keeps the doors open. Like most all-boy Catholic schools, MC's enrollment, and thus its finances, are in a precarious state. Its current student population is about 580. And the school isn't located in the most desirable neighborhood. When MC wins a championship, alumni open their wallets. They write checks and put the school into their wills. If MC were a fixture in 8A, we'd have about five championships, not 16, which translates into fewer donations.

A side-effect of winning is that MC is a legacy school. At least ten players on this year's roster are directly related to former players. Would Jordan Lynch have signed on as a coach at any othrer school? What about Frank Lenti? And the family connection to Mount Carmel isn't only through football. Many of us who never played have fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins who went there before us and influenced our decision to attend. An eighth grader can be dazzled by a row of trohpy cases.

Whoa. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say MC needs to stay in 7A but push ESL to 8A. You can’t go on your mocking rants against Loyola and its 6 championships but then correctly acknowledge MC would have many fewer in 8A.

 

[ODirty1]

Whoa. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say MC needs to stay in 7A but push ESL to 8A. You can’t go on your mocking rants against Loyola and its 6 championships but then correctly acknowledge MC would have many fewer in 8A.

EXACTLY

 

[Silver Rain]

Whoa. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say MC needs to stay in 7A but push ESL to 8A. You can’t go on your mocking rants against Loyola and its 6 championships but then correctly acknowledge MC would have many fewer in 8A.

The analogies are inexact. ESL's survival doesn't depend on the size of its enrollment or the number of trophies it wins. And Loyola, with more than 2,000 kids, has nearly twice as many boys as MC. Should that not be a factor? As for the other small Catholic schools, like Naz, Montini, and JCA, I've never carped about them playing in the lower classes. Loyola has fielded some very good football teams in the last few years. I don't begrudge them their three-peat, not at all. But many schools have done as well or better. I ask you this not mockingly but sincerely. Where was Loyola for the first 40 years?

 

[80sRambler]

The analogies are inexact. ESL's survival doesn't depend on the size of its enrollment or the number of trophies it wins.

Do you have inside people at ESL? Do you know their needs and motivations the way you seem to do about MC? I called out what I see as fairly inconsistent thinking on your part. If you don’t see it then 🤷‍♂️.

 

[80sRambler]

Loyola has fielded some very good football teams in the last few years. I don't begrudge them their three-peat, not at all. But many schools have done as well or better. I ask you this not mockingly but sincerely. Where was Loyola for the first 40 years?

LA has been on par with MC for the past eighteen seasons and has been doing it all in 8A. Check it out! (I'm keenly aware of MCs rich and lengthy history of greatness. It's no doubt extremely impressive.)

 

[jha618]

The analogies are inexact. ESL's survival doesn't depend on the size of its enrollment or the number of trophies it wins. And Loyola, with more than 2,000 kids, has nearly twice as many boys as MC. Should that not be a factor? As for the other small Catholic schools, like Naz, Montini, and JCA, I've never carped about them playing in the lower classes. Loyola has fielded some very good football teams in the last few years. I don't begrudge them their three-peat, not at all. But many schools have done as well or better. I ask you this not mockingly but sincerely. Where was Loyola for the first 40 years?

You are being melodramatic here. They didn't have to board up the doors when they went 4 or 5 years without winning a championship a few years ago. Doesnt every private school depend on donations?

If mc can't compete with Loyola because they have twice as many boys as mc, why would you advocate for esl to be in 8a? Who has even fewer boys than mc.

 

[Silver Rain]

Doesnt every private school depend on donations?

But more cake-eaters go to Loyola, and when they drink tea they keep their pinkie finger extended.

And if you think 6 is on a par with 16, you should play a lot more golf.

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

But there are more cake-eaters at Loyola, and when they drink tea they hold a pinkie finger extended.

And if you think 6 is on a par with 16, you should play more golf.

I never went to private school so this is a sincere question: Do all kids pay for school or are scholarships available for athletes? Is that a real thing or no?

 

[80sRambler]

But more cake-eaters go to Loyola, and when they drink tea they keep their pinkie finger extended.

And if you think 6 is on a par with 16, you should play a lot more golf.

Cake eater... how very original... anyway, you don't even actually read what I type ... as evidenced by your replying to the wrong person. What I said was "on par for last 18 years" and I stand by that statement. Can likely even make it a nice round 20 years. The numbers back it up. I was stating that not to suggest that Loyola is equal to the exalted majesty that is the MC football program but to state that LA has done quite a bit more than the "nice few little years" that you dismissively typed. I get it... you have low key issues with Loyola. It's cool. I'll let you be. You stay strongly on brand and I actually admire that.

Edit: jha’s quote indicates you had posted something even lengthier. Wow! Anyway, I do look forward to you explaining why MC is still the better team (for the given season, not your all time shtick) the next time LA wins. (PS, it wasn’t me you had the “ten years” exchange with.)

 

[618FootballGuy]

I’ll add my 2 cents. ESTL wants to play 7A and I’m sure they’d welcome 8A tbh. The issue is their conference just won’t let them and it’s stupid.

 

[jha618]

Yes, but you have selection bias. At first, you wanted LA to be judged only by the last ten years. Now, you've expanded your slice of time to 18 moths. And you were right to do so. Our record head-to-head for the past 23 years is 13 wins apiece, and we both have six state titles. But let's stretch the time frame here MC won a lot of of championships in the '80s and the '90s.. including a four-peat, two three-peats, and a few singles and back-to-backs. But if you stillf think that 6 titles is on a par with 16, you should probably play more golf.


Some schools have more cake-eaters, and they drink tea with their pinkie finger extended.



ESL has 1200-1300 students, girls and boys. You can sort it out with them.

I don't have to sort anything out. Its all public information. Esl has fewer boys than mc.

 

[sac'em]

I never went to private school so this is a sincere question: Do all kids pay for school or are scholarships available for athletes? Is that a real thing or no?

Tuition is the amount they are saying is the cost of attending the school.
Scholarships are available via application (like college scholarships). Most of these are private so the person with the $ is choosing who to give it to. Most of these recipients are top level athletes from low income households/areas. Like Mt. Carmel students who live down the 94 Corridor (Dolton, South Holland, Riverdale).
Financial Aid is available from the school. This is applied for like FAFSA. Supposed to be based on the financial needs of the family.
Nearly all students have to pay some tuition (sometimes its sold like a car payment ~$200/month). The only students that don't pay any tuition at all are those that receive a full scholarship (or cumulative amounts that cover tuition) from a private individual or organization.

All that being said, if an athlete is highly recruited and $ is the only obstacle, there will be no obstacle. This happens maybe 1-3 times per recruiting class. Maybe a few more for programs with deep alumni pockets.

 

[crusader_of_90]

It's tuition PLUS a "suggested" family gift per kid.

 

[sac'em]

It's tuition PLUS a "suggested" family gift per kid.

We always called it Mandatory Fundraising

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

Tuition is the amount they are saying is the cost of attending the school.
Scholarships are available via application (like college scholarships). Most of these are private so the person with the $ is choosing who to give it to. Most of these recipients are top level athletes from low income households/areas. Like Mt. Carmel students who live down the 94 Corridor (Dolton, South Holland, Riverdale).
Financial Aid is available from the school. This is applied for like FAFSA. Supposed to be based on the financial needs of the family.
Nearly all students have to pay some tuition (sometimes its sold like a car payment ~$200/month). The only students that don't pay any tuition at all are those that receive a full scholarship (or cumulative amounts that cover tuition) from a private individual or organization.

All that being said, if an athlete is highly recruited and $ is the only obstacle, there will be no obstacle. This happens maybe 1-3 times per recruiting class. Maybe a few more for programs with deep alumni pockets.

So 3 athletes per class could be 9 Division I kids on a varsity team (soph-senior)?

 

[crusader_of_90]

We always called it Mandatory Fundraising

That sounds nicer.

 

[crusader_of_90]

So 3 athletes per class could be 9 Division I kids on a varsity team (soph-senior)?

Way to use that public school education!

Can you tell us how many D1 kids a team would have if they paid the tuition for four students per class?

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

Way to use that public school education!

Can you tell us how many D1 kids a team would have if they paid the tuition for four students per class?

Nice. I'm just in shock that privates have THAT much of an advantage.