You're right. There is more talent in the entire St. Louis area than in Bartlett, Il.
East Side v Geneva 48-28 GAME & TITLE
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Nothing would improve Illinois football like ESL moving up to 8A. It would spare the lower divisions of some humiliating losses and add some excitement to the upper classes. The Flyers always say that they are looking for challenges, and this would give them a challenge almost every week. If their conference won't allow it, they should go independent. After all, "it's the Flyer way."
Idk if this is sarcasm or not. But I highly doubt ESL would ever voluntarily go independent. Its already difficult to schedule the 4 open dates they have now.
Also, there were plenty of embarrassing losses Friday without the help of ESL.
Here is the key argument for MC to remain in 7A: It keeps the doors open. Like most all-boy Catholic schools, MC's enrollment, and thus its finances, are in a precarious state. Its current student population is about 580. And the school isn't located in the most desirable neighborhood. When MC wins a championship, alumni open their wallets. They write checks and put the school into their wills. If MC were a fixture in 8A, we'd have about five championships, not 16, which translates into fewer donations.
A side-effect of winning is that MC is a legacy school. At least ten players on this year's roster are directly related to former players. Would Jordan Lynch have signed on as a coach at any othrer school? What about Frank Lenti? And the family connection to Mount Carmel isn't only through football. Many of us who never played have fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins who went there before us and influenced our decision to attend. An eighth grader can be dazzled by a row of trohpy cases.
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Here's where I get a conflict of messaging. Posters, coaches, and players have all stated that going to MC is a brotherhood. I have a brother, I don't put stipulations on it.
There's more, but I'll leave it at that for now. I'm sure the marketing department will chime in shortly.
Whoa. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say MC needs to stay in 7A but push ESL to 8A. You can’t go on your mocking rants against Loyola and its 6 championships but then correctly acknowledge MC would have many fewer in 8A.
The analogies are inexact. ESL's survival doesn't depend on the size of its enrollment or the number of trophies it wins. And Loyola, with more than 2,000 kids, has nearly twice as many boys as MC. Should that not be a factor? As for the other small Catholic schools, like Naz, Montini, and JCA, I've never carped about them playing in the lower classes. Loyola has fielded some very good football teams in the last few years. I don't begrudge them their three-peat, not at all. But many schools have done as well or better. I ask you this not mockingly but sincerely. Where was Loyola for the first 40 years?
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Do you have inside people at ESL? Do you know their needs and motivations the way you seem to do about MC? I called out what I see as fairly inconsistent thinking on your part. If you don’t see it then 🤷♂️.
LA has been on par with MC for the past eighteen seasons and has been doing it all in 8A. Check it out! (I'm keenly aware of MCs rich and lengthy history of greatness. It's no doubt extremely impressive.)
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You are being melodramatic here. They didn't have to board up the doors when they went 4 or 5 years without winning a championship a few years ago. Doesnt every private school depend on donations?
If mc can't compete with Loyola because they have twice as many boys as mc, why would you advocate for esl to be in 8a? Who has even fewer boys than mc.
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