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A favorite time of year...Proposed IHSA By-Law Amendments are live

"Eliminates the opportunity beyond the 9-game regular season in football for the City of Chicago Prep Bowl series participated in by the Chicago Public League and the Chicago Catholic League."

I don't think this ever passes but makes a good point. I don't think anything prepares and helps you get better as a football player than playing more football. On the flip side though does that mean someone next year proposes a NIT for non IHSA playoff qualifying teams, first round losers, and the next 16 teams JEEZ 😂😂
 
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"Eliminates the opportunity beyond the 9-game regular season in football for the City of Chicago Prep Bowl series participated in by the Chicago Public League and the Chicago Catholic League."

I don't think this ever passes but makes a good point. I don't think anything prepares and helps you get better as a football player than playing more football. On the flip side though does that mean someone next year proposes a NIT for non IHSA playoff qualifying teams, first round losers, and the next 16 teams JEEZ 😂😂
See! CPL talk all over the forum this time of year!!
 
Proposals 18 and 19 are for removing the 1.65 multiplier
But making the private schools enrollment the average of all public schools in a 30 mile radius. I wonder if anyone did the exercise to look at what that would look like for a chicago private school.
 
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But making the private schools enrollment the average of all public schools in a 30 mile radius. I wonder if anyone did the exercise to look at what that would look like for a chicago private school.
I feel like this was on the docket last year but I can't find what happened to it. I guess that means it got shutdown in some stage...
 
Paul Karafiol has a nice streak going of nutty proposals over the last few years. I wonder why he spends so much time drafting these up when Lakeview has not been relevant in any sport over the last decade, to my knowledge.
 
Paul Karafiol has a nice streak going of nutty proposals over the last few years. I wonder why he spends so much time drafting these up when Lakeview has not been relevant in any sport over the last decade, to my knowledge.
Probably bored at school like me
 
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Paul Karafiol has a nice streak going of nutty proposals over the last few years. I wonder why he spends so much time drafting these up when Lakeview has not been relevant in any sport over the last decade, to my knowledge.
Ha - ask a college freshman wrestler how it is going against a senior who is 21-22...Now put that against a high school sophomore...Wrestling and soccer about to get spicy if Karafiol has his way...
 
"Eliminates the opportunity beyond the 9-game regular season in football for the City of Chicago Prep Bowl series participated in by the Chicago Public League and the Chicago Catholic League."

I don't think this ever passes but makes a good point. I don't think anything prepares and helps you get better as a football player than playing more football. On the flip side though does that mean someone next year proposes a NIT for non IHSA playoff qualifying teams, first round losers, and the next 16 teams JEEZ 😂😂
Terrible idea.
 
Proposals 18 and 19 are for removing the 1.65 multiplier
Prop 18 is for removing the 1.65 non-boundary school multiplier. You are correct.
Prop 19 is kind of the OPPOSITE. It's for piling on even more "phantom students" to increase non-boundary schools' enrollment figure for sports by more than the 1.65 multiplier.
Here's how I read it working, and I am going to use Carmel High of Mundelein as the example so it's easier to interpret the entire proposition.
This year, Carmel enrollment for football was 1,075 which is the school's exact enrollment number.
Now, if Prop 19 passes, Carmel's 2025 enrollment base line would be 1,773. That's 1,075 X 1.65. But the 1,773 number would still not necessarily be Carmel's football enrollment number.
Carmel's football enrollment number would be the larger number of 1,773 and the average enrollment of all IHSA public schools that are within 30 miles of Carmel.
I am not going to try and figure out how many schools that is, but I can tell you that the chances of the average enrollment of public schools within 30 miles of Carmel High being MORE than 2,000 is probably 100 percent. But, let's use 2,000 as the average which then becomes Carmel's football enrollment number.
At 1,075 enrollment, Carmel plays 5A in the playoffs. With an enrollment of 2,000, Carmel plays 7A. Note that the IHSA says that Carmel can only move up maximum two classes from its multiplied enrollment number. It's multiplied number of 1,773 moves it up to 6A and its new enrollment number based on other public schools is now 2,000 which moves it up to 7A.
So Carmel becomes a 7A football school.
Another quick example is Marian Central of Woodstock, which is scuffling in football of late. It's actual enrollment this year is 389.
Multiply that by 1.65 and its multiplied enrollment is 641.
At 389, Marian is playing 2A playoff football. But its new multiplied base number will be 641 and that is 4A. Now, find the average enrollment of public schools with 30 miles of Marian Central and you have let's just guess and say the average enrollment is 1,500 which makes Marian Central a 6A team for the playoffs.
The IHSA says a school can only move up two classes for football from its multiplied enrollment figure. Marian Central was 4A with the multiplier and jumps to 6A with average enrollment of public schools nearby.
That's a FOUR-class bump.
And there's one more facet of this that is not discussed in the proposal.
Because football class enrollment size is not known until after the 256-school field is set, there is no way of knowing what class a private school base enrollment (actual enrollment X 1.65 multiplier) puts it in. That matters because the public school enrollment average can only move the school up two classes from its multiplied enrollment figure.
Given the significant number of non-boundary schools in any year's 256-school field, trying to project anything regarding brackets for the eight classes will be worthless unless you are satisfied with 1 percent accuracy.
I mean, we will know for sure that Stevenson High will be in the 8A playoffs. But we won't know if a Joliet Catholic or Providence or a Fenwick or Nazareth or Notre Dame winds up in 7A or 8A until we where they would land using their base enrollment figure of actual student total X 1.65 multiplier. Remember, from that base figure, a school can only move up two classes so that if a Joliet Catholic has a base enrollment figure of 1,592 (actual students X 1.65 multiplier), if 1,592 is 6A and average enrollment public schools is 1,800 then Joliet would move up to 7A. If average enrollment of nearby schools is less than 1,592 then Joliet will play at 1,592. And if average enrollment of nearby schools is 2,300, the Joliet will play at 8A (moved up from 5A to 6A with multiplier, and then moved up maxium of two classes from there due to enrollment average of nearby public schools).
The point is, the amount of uncertainty until 8 p.m. on the Saturday of Week 9 games is going to be huge.
I suspect the IHSA might not be up to that challenge and in any case, there is a final somewhat humorous thought:
What is Prop 18 (eliminating the 1.65 multiplier for good) passes, and Prop 19 (keeping the 1.65 multiplier and using it as the base enrollment figure to be compared to the average enrollment of nearby public schools) also passes.
Props 18 and 19 are incompatible.
Any school head who thinks the IHSA is sem-clueless too much of the time might want to vote "yes" on BOTH props.
 
Carmel's football enrollment number would be the larger number of 1,773 and the average enrollment of all IHSA public schools that are within 30 miles of Carmel.
One minor point of clarification: It would be the average enrollment of all IHSA public schools LARGER than the school in question. So for example, Richmond-Burton (~20 miles away, 572 enrollment) and Johnsburg (~18 miles away, enrollment 575) would NOT be included in the average calculation.

One other thing that is unclear (because the proposal is poorly written): I think you are double counting how the multiplier would work.

"The multiplied enrollment (1.65) will only be used to determine the initial placement in the 2025-2026 school year.

This proposal would take effect at the end of the current classification cycle, which is in effect until the end of the 2025-2026 school year."


My reading of that is that we will use the multiplier next year ('25-'26), and then after that, we will begin using the average of nearby schools to determine enrollment and get rid of the multiplier entirely. There is no mention of using '25-'26 as a "base" year or multiplying actual enrollment.
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Overall, it's a really dumb proposal because it classifies schools differently based on totally arbitrary structures in their area. Imagine two 30-mile "circles" with one private school of 500 kids, and 2,000 public school kids. One "circle" has 4 high schools: East, West, North, and South (all equally attended). In this circle, the private school gets to play at 500 enrollment.

In circle 2, there is one public school, "Central". Here, private school has to play at an enrollment of 2,000 because the administrators decided to run a consolidated high school!!

Obviously a made up example, but I imagine there will be some really whacked-out situations downstate vs near Chicago where this does not have it's intended effect.
 
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One minor point of clarification: It would be the average enrollment of all IHSA public schools LARGER than the school in question. So for example, Richmond-Burton (~20 miles away, 572 enrollment) and Johnsburg (~18 miles away, enrollment 575) would NOT be included in the average calculation.
That is absolutely ridiculous. If you are going to say a school can take from these public school areas you average them all.
 
I am most happy that I didn't see the word districts at all. Heard rumblings that was maybe making a comeback. I don't see the multiplier ones passing at all.
 
The 30 mile average seems like it was made predominantly to effect 1A-3A as the attached spreadsheet focused on those
 
"Eliminates the opportunity beyond the 9-game regular season in football for the City of Chicago Prep Bowl series participated in by the Chicago Public League and the Chicago Catholic League."

I don't think this ever passes but makes a good point. I don't think anything prepares and helps you get better as a football player than playing more football. On the flip side though does that mean someone next year proposes a NIT for non IHSA playoff qualifying teams, first round losers, and the next 16 teams JEEZ 😂😂
No. Leave Prep Bowl as is. They tried that in 1979.
 
Suburban schools are free to start up their own version of the Prep Bowl. No one is stopping them. BS that they'd try stopping such a great tradition.

The 30 mile radius thing is idiotic too. For numerous reasons.

Yes, I am grumpy.
 
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My thoughts by proposal

1- Seems like a good reasonable idea, I hope it passes
2- Seems reasonable, though I hope most superintendents have better things to do with their time
3- Like this alot, especially if it means pushing down more sport-specific decision making
4- Hate this. Bad idea to create a special organization to manage eligibility
5- Probably my favorite proposal of the year. not sure why it didnt pass last year. Could be big boon for developing sports like lacrosse, flag football, girls wrestling, etc.
6- Hate this. Understand the proposal it is trying to solve, but you are going to make a ref shortage worse and this will dramatically increase number of cancelled games due to lack of refs.
7- Decent idea, but never gonna pass
8- Very curious about whether this passes. I think it is some good common sense and provides help for kids withiout stable home lives. However, it is ripe for corruption and abuse.
9- same thoughts as 9
10- same thoughts of 8,9. I assume only one of these will make final vote.
11- Never gonna happen.
12- Think it makes sense and it a good common sense rule. Because of that, I doubt it passes
13- See my comments for 8
14- If this makes it to a vote, yay votes under 30 is a definite possibility
15- don't really understand this proposal or its impact
16- really like it and hope it passes due to the chaos it created this past year
17- really like this from a student health perspective, but know that summer camps are a big revenue drive for most schools so I know the chances of passing are slim.
18- In competition for proposal #14 for fewest votes received. Didn't realize that the Lab School took tennis so seriously.
19- probably most mean spirited proposal of the year, but I think this gets more votes than most will expect
20- Hate this. I realize that some kids can get impacted by adult, but by saying a key rule doesn't matter just sets up opporutnities for corruption.
21 -- Hate this. most teams already play too many games, especially baseball and softball. No need to add more
22- Hate the proposal, but think there does need to be some regulation around prep bowl in terms of spacing out games for student safety reasons
23- I have no opinions about Cheerleading other than Bring It On was an underrated RomCom.
24 -- see #23
25- Agree with this, though realize it does give refs too much power in some cases
26- Don't like this. Principals needs to be responsible for their school. This won't pass
 
The justification of proposal 19 doesn't even make sense. Trying to conflate school size with density doesn't even work. There are plenty of smaller schools (say 4-6A CPS schools) that pull from much denser surroundinge than larger 8A schools from less dense suburban areas for example.
 
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