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[Cross Bones]

Bones,

I'm a bit older than you I'm thinking, so when I was in college I did take a course in the sociology department that was labeled as "multicultural studies" this particular multicultural course focused on the assimilation of African-American culture into the American fabric such that we all become one unified culture. Not that we don't embrace our independent cultural backgrounds but rather understand and enjoy the differences we bring to each other. Additionally, we were mandated to take a course labeled "contemporary moral problems". This didn't focus on anything but becoming a morally just rather than bankrupt country. These classes were not at a faith based college but rather the land grant college of the University of Delaware.

Now that I've answered your question and will acknowledge that perhaps the name of the course is set to be provocative, can you imagine the cry that a course Labeled "The Problem of Blackness" would cause. These types of provocative behaviors is what I believe continues to keep our country divided, and certainly has no place in a college circulum. It's time for us all to have pride in who we are and accept and embrace "who" all others are as well. This is the only way to prevent both sides of the extreme racial argument from gathering any more momentum.

I acknowledged in my post that the name was probably to catch attention (be provocative) but when I read the summary I was far more interested in the class than when I read the name. I imagine a course titled that towards any group would cause eyebrows to raise, however it would take going to the class and seeing what was being talked about to determine its actual purpose. If it was a class where they address aspects of Black identity and experience in a critical manner then it sounds great, if I go in there and it's like a rally of sorts then I'd keep it moving.

The multicultural class you mentioned also sounds interesting. Reason, I dont think there is actual American culture outside of consumerism and football. Everything else I would say is either regional or goes back to a country of origin. So I can see myself arguing in that class that there is no culture to assimilate from nor into for AA's as we generally don't know our country of origin. But interesting none the less.

Imagine me in my women's studies class as 1 of 3 males. One was gay (thus our relationship to women had different dynamics) and the other was quiet as a church mouse, so guess who was the general male represntative.... It got interesting at times to say the least. But it was fun and I met a lot of Tri Deltas and Zetas...

 

[jwarigaku]

Bones,

It saddens me to think that your life experience in America has been so negative over time that you feel America has no culture other than Consumerism and Football. I do feel that we sure have cult issues like football and false Gods like consumerism but I don't feel they offer what"IS" America. It's very obvious we grew up in different worlds and I will say I am very sorry we did not grow up together because I think you would feel very different today had we. I hope that you find your experience greatly improved as you move through life!

I agree that perhaps on the surface this class could be interesting if you can get past the class title. When you read deeper into the Professor's theories and positions I think we would finds ourselves headed together to the closest watering hole to discuss much more valuable topics. I am posting the professors bio below, I find it very intriguing that Wisconsin honored him with an Assistant Professors title as a doctoral candidate, when I know several Post Docs that spent 4 years at Northwestern doing research for peanuts in Chemistry after distinguished Ph.D. thesis defenses at MIT, Stanford, etc and started their professional Careers at Wisconsin with lower status in tenure.

http://african.wisc.edu/faculty/sajnani

I acknowledged in my post that the name was probably to catch attention (be provocative) but when I read the summary I was far more interested in the class than when I read the name. I imagine a course titled that towards any group would cause eyebrows to raise, however it would take going to the class and seeing what was being talked about to determine its actual purpose. If it was a class where they address aspects of Black identity and experience in a critical manner then it sounds great, if I go in there and it's like a rally of sorts then I'd keep it moving.

The multicultural class you mentioned also sounds interesting. Reason, I dont think there is actual American culture outside of consumerism and football. Everything else I would say is either regional or goes back to a country of origin. So I can see myself arguing in that class that there is no culture to assimilate from nor into for AA's as we generally don't know our country of origin. But interesting none the less.

Imagine me in my women's studies class as 1 of 3 males. One was gay (thus our relationship to women had different dynamics) and the other was quiet as a church mouse, so guess who was the general male represntative.... It got interesting at times to say the least. But it was fun and I met a lot of Tri Deltas and Zetas...

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones,

It saddens me to think that your life experience in America has been so negative over time that you feel America has no culture other than Consumerism and Football. I do feel that we sure have cult issues like football and false Gods like consumerism but I don't feel they offer what"IS" America. It's very obvious we grew up in different worlds and I will say I am very sorry we did not grow up together because I think you would feel very different today had we. I hope that you find your experience greatly improved as you move through life!

I agree that perhaps on the surface this class could be interesting if you can get past the class title. When you read deeper into the Professor's theories and positions I think we would finds ourselves headed together to the closest watering hole to discuss much more valuable topics. I am posting the professors bio below, I find it very intriguing that Wisconsin honored him with an Assistant Professors title as a doctoral candidate, when I know several Post Docs that spent 4 years at Northwestern doing research for peanuts in Chemistry after distinguished Ph.D. thesis defenses at MIT, Stanford, etc and started their professional Careers at Wisconsin with lower status in tenure.

http://african.wisc.edu/faculty/sajnani

Its not that I think there is no culture in America its that I don't think there is American culture. I think we have more regional and niche cultures than one that covers all or even most of America. If I am wrong, tell me what it is outside of football and consumerism.

For example lets take the rodeo. This certainly represents a culture in America, but how popular is that culture in New York City or LA or Naperville (Saddle Up Saloon not withstanding)? There is a sneaker culture of people who actually sleep outside of shoe stores to be the 1st one in line to get obscure sneakers or re-releases Jordans. They go to boutiques and drink wine and talk about sneakers. And it's almost all they care about. There's skater culture. There's hip hop culture. There's the South Side Irish. There's the Puerto Rican Day Parade. There's Pride.

None of this represents "America" probably because America is a nation of immigrants. I could accept a stance that says ALL of that is American Culture, but then there would be no call to assimilate.

 

[jwarigaku]

Bones,

Its because we are the "Great Melting Pot" of the world that our culture is amongst the most diverse in the world. Yes our culture is full of assimilations or adaptations from cultures of the world but that in itself makes it unique to American Culture. Our food is unique but again its because of adaptations of foods culturally diverse and modified to meet the American pallet. I think what your missing is that American style influences the world and that those style influences come from different regions of our country.

To say that the Rodeo culture doesn't permeate the entire US is like saying Churrascaria does not have a presence in the Bahia region of Brazil and therefore is not part of Brazilian culture.

American Culture is not unlike German culture that varies from a diet of Fish along the North Sea to Snitzel in the southwest, or Norsk traditions in the Northwest to French Traditions in the Alsace. Example after example from every country in the world has regional variations and to be assimilated and imitated is the biggest compliment you can receive.

Again I will return to the fact that we all need to learn from each other and value each other to come to appreciate one another. Provocative behavior on ANYONES part is both disingenuous and destructive to the healing we all need.

Its not that I think there is no culture in America its that I don't think there is American culture. I think we have more regional and niche cultures than one that covers all or even most of America. If I am wrong, tell me what it is outside of football and consumerism.

For example lets take the rodeo. This certainly represents a culture in America, but how popular is that culture in New York City or LA or Naperville (Saddle Up Saloon not withstanding)? There is a sneaker culture of people who actually sleep outside of shoe stores to be the 1st one in line to get obscure sneakers or re-releases Jordans. They go to boutiques and drink wine and talk about sneakers. And it's almost all they care about. There's skater culture. There's hip hop culture. There's the South Side Irish. There's the Puerto Rican Day Parade. There's Pride.

None of this represents "America" probably because America is a nation of immigrants. I could accept a stance that says ALL of that is American Culture, but then there would be no call to assimilate.

 

[Brin22]

I like Morgan Freeman's ideas a hell of a lot more than these hunk of shit classes.



Unfortunately, UW Madison is not the only campus with this BS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...hamton-university-draws-controversy/89397802/

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones,

Its because we are the "Great Melting Pot" of the world that our culture is amongst the most diverse in the world. Yes our culture is full of assimilations or adaptations from cultures of the world but that in itself makes it unique to American Culture. Our food is unique but again its because of adaptations of foods culturally diverse and modified to meet the American pallet. I think what your missing is that American style influences the world and that those style influences come from different regions of our country.

To say that the Rodeo culture doesn't permeate the entire US is like saying Churrascaria does not have a presence in the Bahia region of Brazil and therefore is not part of Brazilian culture.

American Culture is not unlike German culture that varies from a diet of Fish along the North Sea to Snitzel in the southwest, or Norsk traditions in the Northwest to French Traditions in the Alsace. Example after example from every country in the world has regional variations and to be assimilated and imitated is the biggest compliment you can receive.

Again I will return to the fact that we all need to learn from each other and value each other to come to appreciate one another. Provocative behavior on ANYONES part is both disingenuous and destructive to the healing we all need.

I can grant you that everything is American culture, but then you have to acknowledge that your class in its entirety was based on a false premise that "African American Culture" should assimilate into "American Culture" because it would already be American Culture and thus no need to assimilate. Out of curiosity can you remember how they defined or described both "American Culture" and "African American Culture"?

As for provocative behavior, it does not bother me. Malicious behavior does.

 

[Cross Bones]

I like Morgan Freeman's ideas a hell of a lot more than these hunk of shit classes.

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Unfortunately, UW Madison is not the only campus with this BS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...hamton-university-draws-controversy/89397802/

You like Morgan Freeman?



Brin, you remain a clown.

 

[jwarigaku]

Bones,

As I said before I'm older than you and will admit I started my life in a segregated America even though I was living in the Northeast. At that point, as I said, the course was Multicultural studies, and while I always saw people as people many did not. Additionally, at that point south of Mason Dixie road in Newark Delaware American culture was not necessarily inclusive of African-American culture.

I can grant you that everything is American culture, but then you have to acknowledge that your class in its entirety was based on a false premise that "African American Culture" should assimilate into "American Culture" because it would already be American Culture and thus no need to assimilate. Out of curiosity can you remember how they defined or described both "American Culture" and "African American Culture"?

As for provocative behavior, it does not bother me. Malicious behavior does.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Bones,

As I said before I'm older than you and will admit I started my life in a segregated America even though I was living in the Northeast. At that point, as I said, the course was Multicultural studies, and while I always saw people as people many did not. Additionally, at that point south of Mason Dixie road in Newark Delaware American culture was not necessarily inclusive of African-American culture.

Don't forget Native American culture (and there are many distinct cultures within each region and tribes). We were here first!! (I'm part Cherokee). Just don't give me any blankets with small pox and we can still be friends.

 

[jwarigaku]

Voodoo,

I hear what you're saying. I'm about 1/20th Pequot so I agree with you. Wish I would have been 1/16th or more when the Bingo hall opened, had I been I would be living very easy as a major holder of Foxwoods Casino. Our cousins are certainly getting even on the crappy deal they agreed to in Connectitcut back in the 1700's.

Don't forget Native American culture (and there are many distinct cultures within each region and tribes). We were here first!! (I'm part Cherokee). Just don't give me any blankets with small pox and we can still be friends.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Voodoo,

I hear what you're saying. I'm about 1/20th Pequot so I agree with you. Wish I would have been 1/16th or more when the Bingo hall opened, had I been I would be living very easy as a major holder of Foxwoods Casino. Our cousins are certainly getting even on the crappy deal they agreed to in Connectitcut back in the 1700's.

Hehehe. Yeah that would be nice. A piece of Foxwoods I could handle.

However - You have to be able to document it and be 1/16 or more (in some cases 1/8) in most tribes. If you can't document it - SOL. Let's say your descendants never signed up to go on the reservation and were renegades (or freedom fighters depending upon ones views). If no documentation with reservation ticket then no gambling goodies for you and no claiming the scholarship money out there for native Americans.....

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones,

As I said before I'm older than you and will admit I started my life in a segregated America even though I was living in the Northeast. At that point, as I said, the course was Multicultural studies, and while I always saw people as people many did not. Additionally, at that point south of Mason Dixie road in Newark Delaware American culture was not necessarily inclusive of African-American culture.

I hear you, but that does not address what we were getting at which was that I don't think there is a such thing as "American Culture" nor "African American Culture" which is why I asked what definitions or descriptions they gave in your class if you can remember (I can barely remember stuff that happened last week if it wasn't important to me). To be sure, as you point out food is often strongly associated with cultures and what would be considered traditional African-American cooking (think Soul Food) is essentially southern cooking, thus regional in the same way we have food specific to Chicago (deep dish pizza, Italian beef sandwiches).

What is it that is experienced by Americans regardless of region, race, ethnicity, age, etc? Football and getting that new iphone every time it comes out. That's why I say that football and consumerism are America's Culture. I don't find football as culture as negative either. The rest of the world has soccer as culture and I find it fascinating how they get into it. Consumerism on the other hand...

That class at Wisconsin that you brought up, given the description of the world you were brought up in, is it really surprising to you that a class like that exists? It seems you are more troubled by the class than by the circumstances that allowed it to exist. No?

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

I like Morgan Freeman's ideas a hell of a lot more than these hunk of shit classes.

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Unfortunately, UW Madison is not the only campus with this BS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...hamton-university-draws-controversy/89397802/

Brin: I am not sure why you posted this. Well, I know why you posted it. But people on the left and especially some, and I say some, in the black community do NOT want to hear this...even though it's the truth. They would rather shoot the messenger than listen to the message because listening to the message is much harder to do. People on the left would rather blame others instead of the policies and beliefs they hold for the problems we face. It's a lot easier to point the finger of blame than it is to take responsibility.

The problem with school and colleges is that far too much crap is being taught in the name of multiculturalism, liberal politics, beliefs and such instead of things that can give students something to go out into the real world with. They took shop classes out of school and replaced it with why America and Capitalism sucks.

These college "professors" like to spew their liberal views instead of just teaching the damned class. These "intellectuals" give lip service to teaching "critical thinking" then, the minute you stand up and disagree with them guess what happens to your grade in that class? I saw a video of a college biology class in which the instructor was ripping Trump and Capitalism. A biology class. My advice to the instructor would have been , just stick to teaching photosynthesis and osmosis, you little simp. College and the liberal instructors live in a world of theory, insulated from the real world. They are smug and think they are smarter than the rest of us. They are too ignorant to see how foolish they look.

The average person under 35 has no idea how to change a flat tire or turn a wrench, but they can sit around in their parents' basement and complain about rich people like Trump and the fact that they can't pay their student loans because they can't find a job. They learn that the degree they have in Multiculturalism, or something else just as useless is wasted. I would tell them to learn a trade or something else useful that you can actually use in life. Go out and get some practical experience instead of sitting around repeating some of the garbage you were taught in college. In other words, stop complaining and become a functional part of society.

But, you will never reach them...just as you said to me. They don't know what they don't know and they live in another world.

By the way, I happen to hold two degrees. The first thing I learned about both of them is that it didn't make me smarter than everyone else. The second thing I learned was, neither guarantees a job or success.

 

[Cross Bones]

Brin: I am not sure why you posted this. Well, I know why you posted it. But people on the left and especially some, and I say some, in the black community do NOT want to hear this...even though it's the truth. They would rather shoot the messenger than listen to the message because listening to the message is much harder to do. People on the left would rather blame others instead of the policies and beliefs they hold for the problems we face. It's a lot easier to point the finger of blame than it is to take responsibility.

The problem with school and colleges is that far too much crap is being taught in the name of multiculturalism, liberal politics, beliefs and such instead of things that can give students something to go out into the real world with. They took shop classes out of school and replaced it with why America and Capitalism sucks.

These college "professors" like to spew their liberal views instead of just teaching the damned class. They give lip service to teaching "critical thinking" then, the minute you stand up and disagree with them guess what happens to your grade in that class? I saw a video of a college biology class in which the instructor was ripping Trump and Capitalism. A biology class. My advice to the instructor would have been , just stick to teaching photosynthesis and osmosis, you little simp. College and the liberal instructors live in a world of theory, insulated from the real world. They are smug and think they are smarter than the rest of us. They are too ignorant to see how foolish they look.

The average person under 35 has no idea how to change a flat tire or turn a wrench, but they can sit around in their parents' basement and complain about rich people like Trump. I would tell them to learn a trade or something else useful that you can actually use in life. Go out and get some practical experience instead of sitting around repeating some of the garbage you were taught in college. In other words, stop complaining and become a functional part of society.

But, you will never reach them...just as you said to me. They don't know what they don't know and they live in another world.

By the way, I happen to hold two degrees. The first thing I learned about both of them is that neither guarantees a job or success.

You see it here for yourself.

The reason i address mirakle and Brin the way I do is because they very clearly oppose critical thought. In this post mirakle acknowledges that he opposes critical thought.

We are in agreement, mirakle and Brin do not think critically. Which, of course, allows them to continue on in their stupor.

The reason Brin posted that video is because he was not smart enough to investigate Freeman's track record and opinion, he simply found a video that does not even say what the label says, in which when taken out of context and without thought appears to agree with one of brin's idiotic thoughts (there's plenty). Had the clown bothered to do the slightest bit of investigation he'd see that Freeman's track record is in opposition to that clip as Morgan continually speaks on race and feels that those who think like Brin are well... I posted the video. And Brin already posted that he likes Morgan's ideas.

Celebrate being stupid lol

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

You see it here for yourself.

The reason i address mirakle and Brin the way I do is because they very clearly oppose critical thought. In this post mirakle acknowledges that he opposes critical thought.

We are in agreement, mirakle and Brin do not think critically. Which, of course, allows them to continue on in their stupor.

The reason Brin posted that video is because he was not smart enough to investigate Freeman's track record and opinion, he simply found a video that does not even say what the label says, in which when taken out of context and without thought appears to agree with one of brin's idiotic thoughts (there's plenty). Had the clown bothered to do the slightest bit of investigation he'd see that Freeman's track record is in opposition to that clip as Morgan continually speaks on race and feels that those who think like Brin are well... I posted the video. And Brin already posted that he likes Morgan's ideas.

Celebrate being stupid lol

That's right Bones, everyone else is stupid who disagrees with you. You are nothing but a parrot. A little parrot. You look at a subject here, google it, find a few articles about it then educate yourself on it and then come back here and repeat what you learned. You never have an original thought about anything. You post articles from Forbes? hahaha. You and I both know you don't read Forbes. You find an article that fits your beliefs and bring it here.

Forbes writes a bunch of different opinions on a lot of issues, but you pick the one that fits you. Then you come here and accuse others of doing what you do. Another hypocrite. I know Freeman has a lot of different opinions. I didn't speak as to say this is his only opinion. I said the message in this clip is good. I also said it would be ignored by people like you and I am right.

Do yourself a favor and stop being a parrot and come here with some original thoughts. And you have no clue what critical thought is. All you know is what college professors told you. They lied to you.

You are the perfect example of what's wrong in the college classroom.

 

[Cross Bones]

Mirakle you're really too dumb to engage with. And as long as you're okay with it so am I. You're the one who admitted you're opposed to critical thought, I just agreed with you.

Has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. Some of my absolute favorite posters here I disagree with the most like @ramblinman for example, he's the best. But I disagree with him. But he thinks critically. MWittman for example holds opposing views, but he's able to think critically.

Then there's you and Brin... Bout as sharp as a bowling ball.

 

[jwarigaku]

Bones,

I suppose we will just agree to disagree on Culture, we see culture in completely different ways so to continue this point/counter point is wasting time and space for us both.

I also don't appreciate that you indirectly calling me a racist, I couldn't be farther from that position and will not be labeled as such. I will say this again...I believe in EQUALITY!

I hear you, but that does not address what we were getting at which was that I don't think there is a such thing as "American Culture" nor "African American Culture" which is why I asked what definitions or descriptions they gave in your class if you can remember (I can barely remember stuff that happened last week if it wasn't important to me). To be sure, as you point out food is often strongly associated with cultures and what would be considered traditional African-American cooking (think Soul Food) is essentially southern cooking, thus regional in the same way we have food specific to Chicago (deep dish pizza, Italian beef sandwiches).

What is it that is experienced by Americans regardless of region, race, ethnicity, age, etc? Football and getting that new iphone every time it comes out. That's why I say that football and consumerism are America's Culture. I don't find football as culture as negative either. The rest of the world has soccer as culture and I find it fascinating how they get into it. Consumerism on the other hand...

That class at Wisconsin that you brought up, given the description of the world you were brought up in, is it really surprising to you that a class like that exists? It seems you are more troubled by the class than by the circumstances that allowed it to exist. No?

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

What is it that is experienced by Americans regardless of region, race, ethnicity, age, etc?

I've got the answers!!
* Traffic
* Airline Delays
* missing food from drive thru - they F**k you at the drive thru!! (Joe Peschi)

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones,

I suppose we will just agree to disagree on Culture, we see culture in completely different ways so to continue this point/counter point is wasting time and space for us both.

I also don't appreciate that you indirectly calling me a racist, I couldn't be farther from that position and will not be labeled as such. I will say this again...I believe in EQUALITY!

I didnt indirectly call you that at all. You may be being over sensitive because I have no problem calling that out when I see it. I do however note that there is generally more of a problem with bringing attention to such issues than the issues themselves.

Kaepernick as a prime example. People were more upset with him than what he was protesting. That is a problem in my opinion. Thus, for you to have actually lived through segregation I would think you could see why such a class exists whether you agreed with the name of the class or the subject matter.

 

[Cross Bones]

I've got the answers!!
* Traffic
* Airline Delays
* missing food from drive thru - they F**k you at the drive thru!! (Joe Peschi)

That food at the drive through is too real. They cant get $15, just cant.

 

[jwarigaku]

Bones,

Perhaps I misread and certainly misunderstood your response for that I am sorry. I have a huge problem with people not treating others as equals, but it's a two way street. These types of intolerant speaks from all sides of the equation are nothing more and nothing less than statements of bigotry and/or hate speech, again this knife cuts both ways!

I didnt indirectly call you that at all. You may be being over sensitive because I have no problem calling that out when I see it. I do however note that there is generally more of a problem with bringing attention to such issues than the issues themselves.

Kaepernick as a prime example. People were more upset with him than what he was protesting. That is a problem in my opinion. Thus, for you to have actually lived through segregation I would think you could see why such a class exists whether you agreed with the name of the class or the subject matter.

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

Mirakle you're really too dumb to engage with. And as long as you're okay with it so am I. You're the one who admitted you're opposed to critical thought, I just agreed with you.

Has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. Some of my absolute favorite posters here I disagree with the most like @ramblinman for example, he's the best. But I disagree with him. But he thinks critically. MWittman for example holds opposing views, but he's able to think critically.

Then there's you and Brin... Bout as sharp as a bowling ball.

Show me exactly where I said I was opposed to critical thinking. Don't try and change things that have been written because you saw it the wrong way. What I was illustrating is that while these clowns teaching in college classrooms suggest they teach critical thinking, the minute you disagree with them, based on YOUR critical thinking, your grade suffers. That is the absolute truth.They are hypocrites. These are the people with closed minds who preach "tolerance" when tolerance is the furthest thing from their minds if anyone disagrees with their views and offers another opinion. It happens all the time and there is a ton of evidence supporting my view.

It's not for you to decide who thinks critically and who doesn't. Who gave you that power? You are not above any of us. I am sorry, but you are starting to sound like MC63 with this. All you are doing is giving your opinion on issues and nothing else, just like the rest of us. If you say someone isn't thinking critically, that is nothing more than your opinion. Nothing else. You are no smarter or better than anyone else here and neither am I. The difference is, I admit it, you won't. But it's the truth. You don't own this board.

You can try and insult my intelligence all you want because I find it laughable. The minute you start to do that is the minute you have run out of ideas in which to debate. No one is going to win the argument Bones. I am mature enough to know that. So, say all you want negatively about me. It just rolls off. I go to bed every night with a smile on my face...especially since November 9th.

Bones you need to stop it and stop trying to give the impression that you are this critical thinking, deep thinking, highly knowledgeable person just to satisfy yourself. We can make up our own minds. Most of us have a check on our egos. Join us and stop trying so hard.

I just added this. To get back to the Freeman video. I had to watch it twice to make sure it was him saying those things. I know what he has said in the past and was somewhat shocked at the video. Maybe the guy is finally showing some sense.

 

[ramblinman]

Only 246 days until the first game of the 2017 season.

 

[stripes13]

I'd really like to see evidence of college professors changing grades due to students challenging their *gasp* liberal beliefs.

 

[jwarigaku]

Wow this thread could be 100 pages by then!

Only 246 days until the first game of the 2017 season.

 

[Brin22]

Wow this thread could be 100 pages by then!

And Cross Bones will have amassed 3 more mugshots, 2 drawn guns and one proud daughter! You can almost sing along to the tune of 12 Days of Christmas

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

I'd really like to see evidence of college professors changing grades due to students challenging their *gasp* liberal beliefs.

I know you are kidding. Actually, I hope you are. I am not talking about "changing" a grade. Please re-read my post. But receiving a lower grade because of disagreement with a liberal college professor, politically, is real. Many students who hold different views simply don't speak up because they fear this. You see these kids on TV from time to time.That fear must be based on something.

My whole point is this. The left continuously preaches "tolerance" and they are the most intolerant people on the planet. Look around. Who were the people rioting at Trump rallies and after the election results? People from the right or left? Don't try and justify that criminal behavior by saying Trump is a racist, bigot, homophobe or anything else the left uses as an intellectually lazy argument to excuse their criminal behavior.

Who are the little darlings on campuses who require crayons, play doh and therapy puppies to deal with the election? Are they liberal or conservative? What happens when a conservative says something on TV that liberals find offensive? Do they offer to debate? No, they want that person silenced.

I and a lot of people I know weren't very happy when Obama was elected and re-elected. Did you see us out on the streets rioting and destroying property by fire? No, because for the most part we conduct ourselves far better and accept set backs much better.

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones,

Perhaps I misread and certainly misunderstood your response for that I am sorry. I have a huge problem with people not treating others as equals, but it's a two way street. These types of intolerant speaks from all sides of the equation are nothing more and nothing less than statements of bigotry and/or hate speech, again this knife cuts both ways!

I agree, equality is what we're trying to see. I don't know what that class curriculum entailed, but the title was certainly as you put it provocative at least, to the point that I would feel the need to explain to my friends what it was actually about and if it was hate speach either not go or be the voice of opposition. I dont know what the class was like though.

See Jwar, i think this is progress and I think we can make more. It's not every day I get to talk to someone from your POV who lived back then. So my question is do you see how past policies may have affected or influenced what we see today? And do you think that past attitudes that allowed such policies have disappeared?

 

[Cross Bones]

I'd really like to see evidence of college professors changing grades due to students challenging their *gasp* liberal beliefs.

Guarantee he wont provide you with evidence. Just his own unsupported "opinion"

Hes against supporting opinions with actual information

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

And Cross Bones will have amassed 3 more mugshots, 2 drawn guns and one proud daughter! You can almost sing along to the tune of 12 Days of Christmas

Brin, you don't need to bring his daughter up.

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

Guarantee he wont provide you with evidence. Just his own unsupported "opinion"

Hes against supporting opinions with actual information

I guess I should be a parrot like you and look something up to bring here that I can repeat.

 

[stripes13]

I know you are kidding. Actually, I hope you are. I am not talking about "changing" a grade. Please re-read my post. But receiving a lower grade because of disagreement with a liberal college professor, politically, is real. Many students who hold different views simply don't speak up because they fear this. You see these kids on TV from time to time.That fear must be based on something.

My whole point is this. The left continuously preaches "tolerance" and they are the most intolerant people on the planet. Look around. Who were the people rioting at Trump rallies and after the election results? People from the right or left? Don't try and justify that criminal behavior by saying Trump is a racist, bigot, homophobe or anything else the left uses as an intellectually lazy argument to excuse their criminal behavior.

Who are the little darlings on campuses who require crayons, play doh and therapy puppies to deal with the election? Are they liberal or conservative? What happens when a conservative says something on TV that liberals find offensive? Do they offer to debate? No, they want that person silenced.

I and a lot of people I know weren't very happy when Obama was elected and re-elected. Did you see us out on the streets rioting and destroying property by fire? No, because for the most part we conduct ourselves far better and accept set backs much better.

Please provide examples of students receiving a lower grade because they disagreed with their liberal college professor.

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

OK Stripes here you go. When you read this ask yourself if these "professors" are the types to lower a grade or capable of doing it and then report back to me. How many examples do you want before it registers? Give me a number?

http://constitution.com/college-professor-bullies-students-supported-trump/

 

[stripes13]

So 2 examples?

 

[Dr. Mirakle]

Here is another one Stripes. Just for your consumption.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6770

So 2 examples?

How many does it take before you can see? It shouldn't be happening at all. Maybe you should actually read these before commenting. I can't make a blind man see.

 

[Cross Bones]

Cant make this up. Now evolution is "liberal"

Bowling ball.

 

[stripes13]

Here is another one Stripes. Just for your consumption.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6770

How many does it take before you can see? It shouldn't be happening at all. Maybe you should actually read these before commenting. I can't make a blind man see.

Thank you for providing evidence that actually links to documentation. That first link was garbage, and filled entirely with he said/she said - except the hilarious passage about a custodian entering a classroom to help make fun of a child. Totally believable.

As for the second link, I agree, that is bad. Sounds more like a WSU problem however, and not a nationwide problem.

 

[Brin22]

I just added this. To get back to the Freeman video. I had to watch it twice to make sure it was him saying those things. I know what he has said in the past and was somewhat shocked at the video. Maybe the guy is finally showing some sense.

What dipshit doesn't know is Freeman's comments are part of a larger interview based on his philosophies portrayed on a show, he's heavily involved in, Through the Wormhole. There is a whole episode where he discusses if genetics and race are correlated to wealth...not surprising the answer is no. If people want to believe they are stuck in their circumstances and they can't get out, then fine rot in your pathetic existence, but as Freeman states "the bus runs every day."

I could give a shit what he believed 6 years ago, I care about what he believes now! People change, and I'm willing to move past that.

 

[NNFAN]

Guarantee he wont provide you with evidence. Just his own unsupported "opinion"

Hes against supporting opinions with actual information

Bones... happy thoughts. Just hours away from F.D.C. ... gonna be great!

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones... happy thoughts. Just hours away from F.D.C. ... gonna be great!

Meat induced coma. Im going to start fasting now in preparation.