What did we learn week 3!?!?!?!

[Alexander32]

The ccl has 27 teams. The southwest valley blue has 5. The swc has 6. That's the problem i think some ppl have when you just say the ccl is better and start counting championships or semi finals appearances compared to other conferences. They have 4x or 5x as many teams to pulls from.

I treated each 4-team division in the CCL/ESCC as a separate conference for my analysis. Thus, with only four teams, they had fewer teams than every other conference. Even with that methodology, the CCL/ESCC had four divisions among the top nine conferences in the state; including two of the top four.

Consequently, your last sentence is not true as it relates to my analysis. Each CCL/ESCC division does not have 4 to 5 times the number of teams as other conferences. They have fewer teams.

If I were to treat the CCL/ESCC as one big conference, it would have more championships (class 5A and larger) over the last five years than the entire rest of the state combined by a count of 11 to 9.

 

[4Afan]

I treated each 4-team division in the CCL/ESCC as a separate conference for my analysis. Thus, with only four teams, they had fewer teams than every other conference. Even with that methodology, the CCL/ESCC had four divisions among the top nine conferences in the state; including two of the top four.

Consequently, your last sentence is not true as it relates to my analysis. Each CCL/ESCC division does not have 4 to 5 times the number of teams as other conferences. They have fewer teams.

If I were to treat the CCL/ESCC as one big conference, it would have more championships (class 5A and larger) over the last five years than the entire rest of the state combined by a count of 11 to 9.

With 4 to 5 times the amount of teams in their conference and a recruiting area that stretches from Wisconsin to almost Kankakee and from the lake to Aurora it would be a complete disappointment if the CCL didn't have more combined titles than any other conference.

 

[Alexander32]

With 4 to 5 times the amount of teams in their conference and a recruiting area that stretches from Wisconsin to almost Kankakee and from the lake to Aurora it would be a complete disappointment if the CCL didn't have more combined titles than any other conference.

They did not just have more titles than "any other conference." They had more (5A through 8A) titles than the combined total of (5A through 8A) titles won by every other conference in the state. In other words, the totals were CCL/ESCC 11, the entire remainder of the state 9.

Besides, I was not addressing the question of whether or not the CCL/ESCC had certain advantages that would result in more championships. I was merely providing some supporting evidence for a statement made by another poster who thought the CCL/ESCC (Blue) was the best conference or division in the state.

The question being debated in that portion of this thread, as I recall, was whether or not the top Chicago Catholic League teams should be seeking better competition outside the state of Illinois. Some people believe they should be seeking such competition. Others believe the competition inside the CCL/ESCC along with the playoff competition is sufficiently strong to challenge the top CCL teams. Since it is a matter of opinion, I don't suppose there is a right or wrong answer.

 

[alpha08]

Didnt maine south just get in trouble for using ineligible players??

Didnt lwe just get the #1 player in the state to transfer in?

OK, just Barrington then lol

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

I'm not going to argue with you about something i know too be fact.

He also tried to get a kid who was a rb from the west side (Proviso i believe) who ended up at Batavia.

Hahahahaha. Do not spread false rumors my man. You know nothing of what you speak about. Either way, ESL is cheating, openly, and we all allow/accept it. Therefore, they should win all the games.

 

[corey90]

Hahahahaha. Do not spread false rumors my man. You know nothing of what you speak about. Either way, ESL is cheating, openly, and we all allow/accept it. Therefore, they should win all the games.

So you’re saying the IHSA lets their cheat? But they don’t let Maine South cheat? Please explain. Remember if the family moves into another district it’s not cheating. Key word is MOVES. Please explain how the IHSA has looked the other way for all these years. Remember rules are the same rules for all public schools.

 

[Alexander32]

Based on what? The one chance 4A Rochester got the opportunity to meet 7A St. Rita in the 5A state championship game, Rochester destroyed St. Rita. No one knows who will win what game when it comes to High School football. Sure for the most part we can predict results however, each year teaches us this lesson. The classes are built on enrollment and not skill. Based on the rhetoric on this board, BR should be able to win every other conference in this state except for the CCL blue. The reality is there is only a hand full of conferences that I can see them having a chance to win. The rest results will be similar to the CCL Blue.

Your statements continue to defy reason. As I understand your last sentence, you are suggesting Brother Rice is an average 7A program and would finish in the middle of the conference standings in most large-school conferences. This is true, in your mind, because the CCL/ESCC (Blue) is just an average conference. Here are the facts.

Over the last six seasons Brother Rice has had an aggregate conference record of 8 wins and 10 losses in the CCL/ESCC-Blue. That outcome is slightly below average. The last sentence of your post above indicates you believe they would also have an average conference record if they played in other large-school conferences.

Over the last six seasons Brother Rice has made it to the playoff semifinals 3 times. There are three other 7A schools that have made it to the semifinals at least 3 times. They are: Mt. Carmel - 4 times, Batavia - 3 times, and St. Rita - 3 times. I'm sure in your mind those three programs are all very average programs just like Brother Rice. And the fact that 3 of the 4 teams play in the Chicago Catholic League (or CCL/ESCC to be specific) has no special meaning to you.

There are approximately 498 Illinois high school football teams eligible to compete in the playoffs. Dividing that number by 8, because there are 8 classes, results in there being about 62 football teams in class 7A that are eligible for the playoffs. 58 of those teams have made it to the semifinals less than three times over the last six seasons. 50 of those teams have not made it to the semifinals even once over the six-year period of time.

Brother Rice's playoff performance over the last six years has been better than 93% of the 7A teams in the state. And yet, you will sit there and write that they are an average 7A program. You will sit there and write that the CCL/ESCC (which has produced 6 of the last 10 champions in class 7A) is an average conference. That is utter nonsense.

I will end with the comment I made in the beginning. Your statements continue to defy reason.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Your statements continue to defy reason. As I understand your last sentence, you are suggesting Brother Rice is an average 7A program and would finish in the middle of the conference standings in most large-school conferences. This is true, in your mind, because the CCL/ESCC (Blue) is just an average conference. Here are the facts.

Over the last six seasons Brother Rice has had an aggregate conference record of 8 wins and 10 losses in the CCL/ESCC-Blue. That outcome is slightly below average. The last sentence of your post above indicates you believe they would also have an average conference record if they played in other large-school conferences.

Over the last six seasons Brother Rice has made it to the playoff semifinals 3 times. There are three other 7A schools that have made it to the semifinals at least 3 times. They are: Mt. Carmel - 4 times, Batavia - 3 times, and St. Rita - 3 times. I'm sure in your mind those three programs are all very average programs just like Brother Rice. And the fact that 3 of the 4 teams play in the Chicago Catholic League (or CCL/ESCC to be specific) has no special meaning to you.

There are approximately 498 Illinois high school football teams eligible to compete in the playoffs. Dividing that number by 8, because there are 8 classes, results in there being about 62 football teams in class 7A that are eligible for the playoffs. 58 of those teams have made it to the semifinals less than three times over the last six seasons. 50 of those teams have not made it to the semifinals even once over the six-year period of time.

Brother Rice's playoff performance over the last six years has been better than 93% of the 7A teams in the state. And yet, you will sit there and write that they are an average 7A program. You will sit there and write that the CCL/ESCC (which has produced 6 of the last 10 champions in class 7A) is an average conference. That is utter nonsense.

I will end with the comment I made in the beginning. Your statements continue to defy reason.

I haven’t mention class other than Rita 7a and Rochester 4a who met in the 5a championship. My statement with BR is if CCL Blue is so superior, then BR would or should win the CONFERENCE champions in every other conference.

What you are trying to say is LA or MC playing BR is Superior to the teams MS, LWE, ESL, etc play in their conference. There is no fact that supports this. It is your opinion. Having played against Blue teams as well as others in around the country, I don’t see anything superior about the teams from the Blue. I respect the conference as well as the teams that play in it. I don’t feel it’s superior to any other conference. That’s a fan claim that can not be proven. All the if then statements are not fact. It’s opinions. There are a ton of people that agree with me however, they aren’t on this board or will not comment simply because most posters are CCL fans.

 

[TheWizardofWoodlawn]

Calpreps has a tool that allows you to compare conferences or "leagues" based on "an average of the ratings of the teams in the league" rather than just looking at the total trophies or wins.

Current 2024:

Rank​	League​	State​	non-league W-L​	Top 1000 non-league W-L​	Top 7000 non-league W-L​	Average Rating​	non-league Schedule Strength​
1​	CCL/ESCC - Blue​	Illinois	6-6​	2-6​	5-6​	34​	28.3​

2​

CCL/ESCC - Green​

Illinois

9-3​

3-3​

8-3​

30.3​

21​

3​

CCL/ESCC - White​

Illinois

9-3​

1-2​

6-3​

16.9​

-4.1​

4​

CCL/ESCC - Orange​

Illinois

8-4​

1-1​

8-4​

15.6​

11.3​

5​

Southwest Valley - Blue​

Illinois

8-5​

0-2​

7-5​

14.9​

6.1​

6​

DuKane​

Illinois

13-3​

0-0​

9-3​

10.3​

-4.7​

7​

Southwestern​

Illinois

9-9​

3-2​

7-9​

9.4​

13.2​

8​

Fox Valley​

Illinois

0-0​

0-0​

0-0​

9.3​

​

9​

Southwest Valley - Red​

Illinois

8-2​

0-1​

5-2​

8.6​

-7.2​

10​

West Suburban - Silver​

Illinois

11-5​

0-3​

8-5​

7.6​

-2​

 

[TheWizardofWoodlawn]

2023

Rank​	League​	State​	non-league W-L​	Top 1000 non-league W-L​	Top 7000 non-league W-L​	Average Rating​	non-league Schedule Strength​
1​	CCL/ESCC - Blue​	Illinois	34-5​	12-3​	33-4​	50.9​	29.6​

2​

CCL/ESCC - Orange​

Illinois

26-10​

8-4​

22-9​

36.1​

19.6​

3​

CCL/ESCC - Green​

Illinois

21-16​

1-11​

19-15​

28​

22.2​

4​

Southwest Suburban - Blue​

Illinois

22-11​

3-4​

20-11​

26.2​

19.4​

5​

CCL/ESCC - White​

Illinois

25-12​

2-11​

18-12​

25.8​

14.6​

6​

West Suburban - Silver​

Illinois

20-14​

4-4​

16-11​

21.8​

18.1​

7​

Southwestern​

Illinois

21-12​

3-5​

14-12​

18.9​

10.9​

8​

DuKane​

Illinois

15-12​

1-4​

13-12​

16.8​

13.7​

9​

Southwest Suburban - Red​

Illinois

21-11​

0-4​

12-11​

15.9​

9.9​

10​

Fox Valley​

Illinois

6-4​

1-2​

6-4​

14.4​

16.6​

 

[TheWizardofWoodlawn]

2022

Rank​	League​	State​	non-league W-L​	Top 1000 non-league W-L​	Top 7000 non-league W-L​	Average Rating​	non-league Schedule Strength​
1​	CCL/ESCC - Blue​	Illinois	35-4​	13-3​	33-3​	53.4​	28.1​

2​

CCL/ESCC - Green​

Illinois

26-10​

6-9​

25-10​

35.9​

25​

3​

West Suburban - Silver​

Illinois

29-5​

6-4​

21-5​

30.9​

12.6​

4​

Southwest Suburban - Blue​

Illinois

23-10​

4-6​

19-10​

26.8​

19.6​

5​

CCL/ESCC - Orange​

Illinois

18-15​

1-10​

15-14​

26.2​

22.9​

6​

DuKane​

Illinois

17-10​

4-6​

15-10​

25​

21.1​

7​

Southwestern​

Illinois

18-15​

4-4​

13-13​

21.6​

18.8​

8​

Mid-Suburban - East​

Illinois

22-8​

1-6​

13-8​

17.8​

8.3​

9​

Central Suburban - South​

Illinois

15-14​

1-7​

13-14​

15​

15.8​

9​

Mid-Suburban - West​

Illinois

15-15​

1-12​

10-15​

15​

18.6​

11​

DuPage Valley​

Illinois

10-13​

1-5​

9-13​

14.2​

21.4​

 

[Wittymoniker1]

I haven’t mention class other than Rita 7a and Rochester 4a who met in the 5a championship. My statement with BR is if CCL Blue is so superior, then BR would or should win the CONFERENCE champions in every other conference.

What you are trying to say is LA or MC playing BR is Superior to the teams MS, LWE, ESL, etc play in their conference. There is no fact that supports this. It is your opinion. Having played against Blue teams as well as others in around the country, I don’t see anything superior about the teams from the Blue. I respect the conference as well as the teams that play in it. I don’t feel it’s superior to any other conference. That’s a fan claim that can not be proven. All the if then statements are not fact. It’s opinions. There are a ton of people that agree with me however, they aren’t on this board or will not comment simply because most posters are CCL fans.

I haven’t mention class other than Rita 7a and Rochester 4a who met in the 5a championship. My statement with BR is if CCL Blue is so superior, then BR would or should win the CONFERENCE champions in every other conference.

What you are trying to say is LA or MC playing BR is Superior to the teams MS, LWE, ESL, etc play in their conference. There is no fact that supports this. It is your opinion. Having played against Blue teams as well as others in around the country, I don’t see anything superior about the teams from the Blue. I respect the conference as well as the teams that play in it. I don’t feel it’s superior to any other conference. That’s a fan claim that can not be proven. All the if then statements are not fact. It’s opinions. There are a ton of people that agree with me however, they aren’t on this board or will not comment simply because most posters are CCL fans.

CCL Blue > 8 Player Football (all directions).

 

[jha618]

Hahahahaha. Do not spread false rumors my man. You know nothing of what you speak about. Either way, ESL is cheating, openly, and we all allow/accept it. Therefore, they should win all the gagames.

My man, i know exactly what i speak of. Considering you have lost 2 games by 40pts this year and another by 30, maybe you should consider cheating a little bit harder. I can't imagine being a fan of a program who recruits and still cant make it out of the 2nd rd of the playoffs

 

[SEHSSTORM1]

My man, i know exactly what i speak of. Considering you have lost 2 games by 40pts this year and another by 30, maybe you should consider cheating a little bit harder. I can't imagine being a fan of a program who recruits and still cant make it out of the 2nd rd of the playoffs

I like how you changed the topic from a program that knowlingly cheats to one that has never cheated. Well played.